Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters/Members to articulate views effectively

[myfoot123]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

The real gem will not want to become PAP members. Those who polished PAP are people already quite desperate in life and tried to be fed thru pulling string via PAP establishement. Already a few in YPAP are like that, many more remain to be seen. Todate, Lee Hsien Loong still suffer the trauma of finding the gem among PAP members, because it has to be found outside PAP and not within.

 

[Glaringly]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

This is what one keep hearing. Attack the PAP without a viable alternative in sight. Have the opposition really come up with a coherent alternative instead of set-play policies such as "minimum wage"? I don't see anything from moderate parties like WP and NSP. Any govt interference in the market place by regulation or imposing minimum wage is going to see an exodus of companies who are going find doing business here uncompetitive.

SDP appears to have some form of a plan. But those plans require a complete overhaul of the present system that would cause short to medium term hardship and pain. Perhaps a reason why SDP does poorly at the polls as the public is put of their aggressive style and the possibility of having to endure mayhem while the system is being fixed.

One gets the same abuse here as well in case you haven't noticed.

Agreed with you on your take about opposition party. But not on the often heard quote like what's the alternative.

If you care to look, the opposition has shifted to us, "the opposing voice on the web" and I am sure you will find many suggestion about how to improve the current policies.

I do believe you can differentiate between real threat and faceless cyber threat. Those guys from YPAP are asking net citizens to disclose their real name.

As for the abuses you get here, you know what you are getting by going into those racist discussion right?

 

[Highfalutin]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

I do remember though Rajarathnam telling a bunch of Ah Bengs back in 1989 what he personally thought about having the National Anthem being sung in Mandarin.

I only remember the proposal to have the National Anthem's lyrics changed to English.

I had declared then to my friends and relatives, it will be changed over my dead body! That's how I feel about the National Anthem and military parade commands in Malay. It is supposed to be a testament to our collective heritage of a new nation marching forward resolutely for survival. Something that binds us together as a people. An open give and take acceptance. Nothing to do with regional geopolitical realities on a personal basis.

 

[scroobal]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Check with Koh Buck Song, he might have an opening.

Dear Scroobal

I would like to apply :_)) whats the pay like to be a political consultant to the PAP ?




Locke

 

[scroobal]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

There is really nothing stopping the minorities forming parties and we seem to forget the Jayaretnams and James Gomez. In fact it was minority member that broke 13 years of PAP monopoly.

In fact I blame the PAP for divide and rule approach and the move to race base GRC politics. After 5 decades we should have gelled as a nation.

How you can claim that PAP is better than the opposition in race based politics is beyond me.

This is what one keep hearing. Attack the PAP without a viable alternative in sight. Have the opposition really come up with a coherent alternative instead of set-play policies such as "minimum wage"?

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

As for the abuses you get here, you know what you are getting by going into those racist discussion right?

The correct description would be discussion on race issues or relations, not racist discussions.

 

[Leongsam]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Wanted: Genuine PAP members or supporters who are able to engage in debates and discussions and provide insight into policies and directions mapped out by the PAP.

I believe I meet the job requirements although I might be a little blunt when it comes to presenting the facts.

Count me in.

 

[kingrant]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

I believe I meet the job requirements although I might be a little blunt when it comes to presenting the facts.

Count me in.

Hahahaha..sorry, Sam, don't mind if I laugh. I do recognise yr abilities, but still i laughed. Dont know why leh.

 

[elephanto]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

From the First Economic Review Committee chaired by then 34-yr-old BG Lee in 1986 to now ESC (Economic Strategies Committee) in 2010,

From 'Vision 1999', 'The Next Lap' to 'Remaking Singapore' & 'S21',

How to prevent cynicism & skepticism from waking up to a refreshing brand new morning .... that is the challenge

Old strategies re-worded & re-packaged,

Age old notions revisited & concepts retooled,

Matrix Reloaded .....

Human Nature remains unchanged,

Old Heroes fade into history or return to kingdom come,
New fledgelings surfaced,

Cutie babies & toddlers once,
Sturdy tanned teenagers & soon NS Men...

Your hairline recedes,
Roots turn grey then balding pates shine...

From 14.4bps to 10Mbps
narrow pacnets & cyberways (now known as Starhub Internet)
to High-Speed New Generation Networks,

Another Tiger Year again, another cycle begins,
Happy Chinese New Year all .... huat huat ah !

Sigh ........ * burp* ............ phoooot ! *sorry* (got sound not smelly)

 

[kingrant]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

The worst is when GCT said we will have a more inclusive society and they will listen and have more participation, let yr hair come down, loosen up and come LHL, no more mention of that. All that is considered feeble-minded, lack of iron, soft-headed, daft, and populisitc policies.

From the First Economic Review Committee chaired by then 34-yr-old BG Lee in 1986 to now ESC (Economic Strategies Committee) in 2010,

From 'Vision 1999', 'The Next Lap' to 'Remaking Singapore' & 'S21',

How to prevent cynicism & skepticism from waking up to a refreshing brand new morning .... that is the challenge

Old strategies re-worded & re-packaged,

Age old notions revisited & concepts retooled,

Matrix Reloaded .....

Human Nature remains unchanged,

Old Heroes fade into history or return to kingdom come,
New fledgelings surfaced,

Cutie babies & toddlers once,
Sturdy tanned teenagers & soon NS Men...

Your hairline recedes,
Roots turn grey then balding pates shine...

From 14.4bps to 10Mbps
narrow pacnets & cyberways (now known as Starhub Internet)
to High-Speed New Generation Networks,

Another Tiger Year again, another cycle begins,
Happy Chinese New Year all .... huat huat ah !

Sigh ........ * burp* ............ phoooot ! *sorry* (got sound not smelly)

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

There is really nothing stopping the minorities forming parties and we seem to forget the Jayaretnams and James Gomez. In fact it was minority member that broke 13 years of PAP monopoly.

What point is there in forming a minority party? They won't be able to contest the GRC system.

JBJ like CSJ had a consistent message - justice and equality for all. With his steadfast approach and bravery it's not surprising he won Anson. Look at the current WP and tell me who remotely fits the bill? Further when JBJ was at the helm, the WP had several minority members in their party. The WP seems to have taken a huge step back.

How you can claim that PAP is better than the opposition in race based politics is beyond me.

Ask me that question again when we have a electoral process based on ethnic segregation like Jim Crow and you'll have your answer.

 

[elephanto]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

The worst is when GCT said we will have a more inclusive society and they will listen and have more participation, let yr hair come down, loosen up and come LHL, no more mention of that. All that is considered feeble-minded, lack of iron, soft-headed, daft, and populisitc policies.

Correction, bro kingrant... GCT said 'kinder, gentler, more consultative' society.

It is LHL in his maiden National Day Rally that trademarked his 'Inclusive Singapore' aspiration.

I think they have run out of attractive soundbites now.

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

I only remember the proposal to have the National Anthem's lyrics changed to English.

I had declared then to my friends and relatives, it will be changed over my dead body! That's how I feel about the National Anthem and military parade commands in Malay. It is supposed to be a testament to our collective heritage of a new nation marching forward resolutely for survival. Something that binds us together as a people. An open give and take acceptance. Nothing to do with regional geopolitical realities on a personal basis.

....on 22 July 1991, the English daily newspaper The Straits Times reported that during a meeting between the then Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong and community leaders,[31] a group of grassroots leaders and a lawyer had suggested that "adjustments" should be made to the national anthem. The given reason was that many Singaporeans could not sing it in Malay and therefore did not have "strong feelings" or "strong emotions when they sing the national anthem".[32]

In particular, some grassroots leaders argued that since the Chinese constitute a majority of the population, a Mandarin version of the anthem should be used.[32] The Prime Minister's response was that he would keep the national anthem as it was while ensuring that translations in other mother tongues were more easily available.[31] The proposal to change the lyrics was also criticized by former Deputy Prime Minister S. Rajaratnam, who felt that the Malay lyrics of the anthem were so simple that "anyone over the age of five, unless mentally retarded, had no difficulty singing the anthem.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majulah_Singapura

 

[kingrant]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Tks bro. Must be getting senile.

Correction, bro kingrant... GCT said 'kinder, gentler, more consultative' society.

It is LHL in his maiden National Day Rally that trademarked his 'Inclusive Singapore' aspiration.

I think they have run out of attractive soundbites now.

 

[yellow_people]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

In fact I blame the PAP for divide and rule approach and the move to race base GRC politics. After 5 decades we should have gelled as a nation.

Nah! It takes 2 hands to clap. You should know better bro. The 75% majority being materialistic and myopic, took the bait and immediately jumped on the "silent majority" bandwagon and started asking for concessions from clan association, language and culture, SAP schools, changing the National Anthem to CHinese.. etc. The only one that opposed was S Rajarathnam who penned the pledge that Ah Beng youngsters mindlessly mumble in school these days.

Today we are that much further from a Singaporean identity then we are closer to Jim Crow, where everything is segregated by ethnicity.

 

[Highfalutin]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Not all the 75%, not all. but I guess silence constitutes consent and concurrence.

 

[elephanto]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

Not all the 75%, not all. but I guess silence constitutes consent and concurrence.

wtf cny eve, all u samsters still come kopitiam lim kopi till late late,

never spring clean or reunion with family ah ?

Evry member of family also samsters, all on network, logging in to SBF together also a form of cyber reunion gathering izzit ?!

 

[Highfalutin]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

wtf cny eve, all u samsters still come kopitiam lim kopi till late late,

never spring clean or reunion with family ah ?

Evry member of family also samsters, all on network, logging in to SBF together also a form of cyber reunion gathering izzit ?!

Chinese New Year holds as much significance to me as Lee Kuan Yew's birthday.

 

[po2wq]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

wtf cny eve, all u samsters still come kopitiam lim kopi till late late,

never spring clean or reunion with family ah ? ...

ahem ... no samsters here ... u cum 2 ze wrong forum ... here oni got alfrescians ...

spring clean shud hv been done long ago ... 2day oni do? ... 2 late liao la ...

reunion dinner? ... not so early la ...

 

[Chau Ve Nist]

Re: Looking for Genuine PAP Supporters Member to articulate views effectively

The proposal to change the lyrics was also criticized by former Deputy Prime Minister S. Rajaratnam, who felt that the Malay lyrics of the anthem were so simple that "anyone over the age of five, unless mentally retarded, had no difficulty singing the anthem.

Forum

Majulah Singapura has been sung patriotically for 32 years

(147th Singapore Prostitute Press, 26 July 1991)


QUESTIONS provocative and even intelligently "sensitive" are to me the life-blood of creative thinking.

But what alarms me are not so much the questions as the hidden and dangerous implications which they often conceal. I refer to a recent proposal which a group of grassroots leaders and a lawyer described as "trivial" but "sensitive" (ST, July 22) and in which they suggested that "adjustments" should be made to our 32-year-old national anthem because, they claim, many Singaporeans cannot sing our anthem in Malay and therefore do not have "strong feelings" or "strong emotions when they sing the national anthem".

In other words, they lack patriotic convictions.

Now in the matter of the use of language, I consider myself as something of a minor expert in the technique of "double think" and "double talk".

I think there is more to the proposed "trivial adjustment" than the surface meaning conveys.

The proposal put forward by these grassroots leaders and a lawyer was made publicly. It also caught the eye of the mass media. I also understand that prior to this, the matter was discussed at some length in a manner sufficient to attract the attention of the Prime Minister. So this matter was not intended to be trivial.

Since this statement was described by its authors as also "sensitive", it was no doubt also intended to rouse emotions about the adequacy or inadequacy of a national anthem which had been a source of inspiration and respect for millions of Singaporeans for some 32 years.

Our national anthem in its present form has been sung since 1959 not only in
Singapore but also in a great many countries in the world where diplomatic formality required the playing of Majulah Singapura. As far as I know, our national anthem has so far not attracted domestic or international disrespect.

In fact, the Majulah Singapura was unofficially launched much earlier by the
old City Council, even though the overwhelming majority of Singaporeans even then knew little or no Malay.

Its composer, Zubir Said, has been officially honoured for his gift of Majulah Singapura. His Malay lyrics were so simple that anyone over the age of five, unless mentally retarded, had no difficulty singing the anthem. All Singaporean children of kindergarten age have not only had no difficulty memorising the words but have for decades sung it every morning with "strong feelings and emotion".

The anthem has been translated into the four official languages for those who cannot understand Malay. I know of no one, until recently, who has said that singing Majulah Singapura in its present form made him feel unpatriotic.

That is why I am somewhat mystified why a group of grassroots leaders, including a lawyer, should now suddenly experience mental and emotional block over the national anthem. There must be other reasons why these grassroots leaders cannot work up positive emotions for our anthem, and I am sure many would be interested to know why.

Since national anthems are sung en masse on formal occasions, I am further interested to know what kind of Majulah Singapura would emerge the next National Day were it to be sung simultaneously in Malay, Mandarin, Cantonese, Hainanese, Tamil, Urdu, Javanese, English and Greek, among other languages.

That should really bring the house down.

Of course, there is nothing in the law prohibiting any citizen, should he feel the urge, to sing Majulah Singapura in the privacy of his home or along Orchard Road in any language that takes his fancy.

I also understand that some of these grassroots leaders have argued that since the Chinese constitute the majority, then the new dogma of the greatest good for the greatest majority should be applied.

So the time has come to re-emphasise the difference between hot-potato politics and statesmanship. Statesmanship is something different and I should like to give an example of it for the benefit of, in particular, lawyer Lee Bon Leong who raised what he admits is a "sensitive" issue.

The question of a national language also came up for debate during Indonesia's struggle for independence. Indonesia has a far larger population and a greater variety of languages and dialects than Singapore. The Indonesian majority speak Javanese, an ancient language with a very sophisticated culture.

The late President Sukarno, who was called upon to choose a national languag e from among the hundreds of competing languages, chose Malay, a minority language, on the grounds that this was the language best qualified to unify a country consisting of millions of people and hundreds of languages and islands.

He made Malay the national language and I would say that in the whole of Asi a there is today no country more united and with a stronger sense of patriotism than Indonesia - thanks to the vision, courage and genius of Mr Sukarno, whatever his faults. I do not know whether the Singapore grassroots leaders concerned understand how he achieved this, but it would be worth their while making the effort to do so.

Finally, I would also like to point out that changing our present national anthem must also mean a significant rewriting of Singapore history.

S. RAJARATNAM Singapore 0511

The writer was formerly senior minister in the Prime Minister's Office.