I agree with you 101% on this.
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Little know Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
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FAct of the matter is that this rescue has far reaching consequences. Even the sports bodies in Singapore must understand this, It was likely that SIngapore would return from the Seoul Olympics with no medals, but 1 or possibly 2 dead bodies of their national heroes. Imagine the shock, and grief for the country.
If Siew had drowned, there would have been no silver medal for singapore in the 1994 Asian Games (which he won with a new partner Charles Lim), as well as win sportsman of the year award.
Yes, agree with u on all counts. It really reflects poorly on social etiquette in singapore, and even worse on govt, agencies. Lemieux had nothing to gain by going to the aid of the sinkies saliors, and everything to lose. Even the IOC recognize his sacrifice, WOULD IT KILL ANY ONE SINGAPORE SPORTS ORG. TO DO THE SAME. Again, I lay the blame partly on Chan/Siew. I cannot believe that if a famous sports figure like Siew went to the SSC and ask them to publicly recognize Lemieux, SSC would have said "no" to him? SO, he is an ingrate too.
All from the same mould la...
You die your business, you saved me lost medal also your own business...
Class, Grace, Sportmanship, Gratitude....simi lan lai eh? Can eat bo? Got money take?
Ingrate a little too strong imho, but i see yr point & i fully concur.
The Singaporean as inadvertently produced by this regime is a :
super-righteous world-class intellectual manager
who thinks everything in life is hard-work, effort, no-nonsense (nothing wrong in themselves per se)
letter-perfect,
anti-chaos,
allergic to anything non-clinically,
quick to conclude foul-play in others : a reflection of insecurity within,
very good in analyzing the trees to the extend of missing the whole forest
under-siege mentality (no free lunch! world no owe us a living! better/cheaper/faster )
of all the above, self-righteous is worst : believe me, I know. Look at all my qualifications, look at all my experience, look at my impecable track record - so no need to talk, no need to even evaluate leow... you work yourself to my level then you talk to me. If not, know your place. I know better, in fact I know best.
And because I tell you I am so good, I will let nothing diminish me in the public eye. We are not the West, where public leaders are treated with derision & contempt. No, I maintain our high standing.
SO, if anything were to diminish my record, I will do damage control. No, I don't lie, I just choose not to tell the truth, NOT the full truth anyway.
I will press ahead, I will move on. I will always remake, review, transform, rethink, ask to engage, ask for feedback blah blah blah ....
but wait, why can't you all see my sincerity, always pricking my balloon...
you MUST have an agenda, you rumor mongers, keyboard cowards in cyberspace etc etc
Don't disagree with me, I CHALLENGE YOU, where are YOUR FATS, sorry, FACTS!
See my FACTS, my EVIDENCE, my HOMEWORK, my STATISTICS, my....
I CHALLENGE YOU, I SUE YOU, I see you in COURT, I will form a Committee to Investigate etc etc
The self-righteousness of it all stinks.
So, it is all about an ungrateful, ingratiate populace who need spurs up their rear.
It is all about this younger generation too critical, too choosy, too hmm chye see, all these see gheen na !
SSC / Sports Org bosses from the worst of them in human terms such as ex-SAAA Loh Lin Kok to the colorless appointed political commissars like Lee Bee Wah, Teo Chong Tee, Abbu Abbas, Lim Swee Say (Badminton), Choo Wee Kok (Bee Wah's predecessor) etc etc.
Pure play FAS Presidents of yesteryears such as the Ganesan Era (he bring on Uncle Choo as National Coach after Trevor Hartley, and the rest as they say is folklore) ...
GRACE
Not Grace Fu.
But Grace as in doing the decent thing, being human, being understanding, fuck KPIs sometimes, going for the heart, relac relac don't always so fucking ramrod stiff & humorless ...
No soul, No spark, No spontenaity, No creativitiy, No spirit ...
surely the solution is NOT just to work harder to get these.
Just Value those qualities for a start,
They are actually above all the things mercenary - the price mechanism can only do so much to balance out demand & supply, scarcity & choice ...
But the human spirit is the source of all good outcomes.
Back to this Thread Theme, whatever Siew/Chan fail to do is not criminal but a very lamentable symptom of what this society has become & will continue to become now with the influx of many new citizens and their ways.
Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
CCB Singapore Olympic committee bring shame to SG. Now news is out . SG gov in 1988 should givve him the medal of sportsmanship and courage.
Make mistake dont admit and still want to cover up.
CCB Singapore Olympic committee bring shame to SG. Now news is out . SG gov in 1988 should givve him the medal of sportsmanship and courage.
Make mistake dont admit and still want to cover up.
Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
Lawrence Lemieux (born November 12, 1955 in Edmonton, Alberta) is a Canadian sailor, who competed at the 1984 Summer Olympics in the Star Class and at the 1988 Summer Olympics in the Finn class.
Lemieux grew up sailing on Wabamun Lake west of Edmonton with his five older brothers. He began racing solo boats in the 1970s. [1]
On September 24, 1988, the sailing competition was underway at Pusan, 450 kilometers from South Korea's capital of Seoul, the main Olympic site. It suddenly became very windy, escalating from 15 to 35 knots. In the 470 class, Singapore sailors Joseph Chan and Siew Shaw Her were thrown into the rough water. They were injured and unable to right their damaged boat.[1]
Lemieux was sailing alone near the halfway point in his race on the nearby Finn class race course. He was in second place in the fifth of a seven-race event. Upon seeing the capsized crew, Lemieux broke away and sailed to rescue them. After he rescued Chan and Siew, he waited for and transferred the two sailors onto an official patrol boat. He then finished 22nd in his race.
Notably, the rescue was never mentioned in the Singapore media because it was deemed an embarrassment for Singapore's Olympic effort. Soon after the race, the jury of the International Yacht Racing Union unanimously decided that Lemieux should be awarded second place, the position he was in when he went to the aid of the Singapore crew.
At the medal awards ceremony, Juan Antonio Samaranch, President of the International Olympic Committee, awarded Lemieux the Pierre de Coubertin Medal for Sportsmanship; only 11 of these have been awarded since it was launched in 1964.[1] "By your sportsmanship, self-sacrifice and courage," said Samaranch, "you embody all that is right with the Olympic ideal."
Lemieux has since retired from professional sailing and is now a coach.[1] He is currently living at Seba Beach, Alberta. Asked in a 2012 interview if he would rather be talking about the medal he might have won instead of the rescue, Lemieux referred to sailing's lack of a high media profile: “You spend your life working really hard internationally and you get very few accolades. So that’s the ironic thing; 25 years after this rescue, we’re still talking about it.”[1
Lawrence Lemieux (born November 12, 1955 in Edmonton, Alberta) is a Canadian sailor, who competed at the 1984 Summer Olympics in the Star Class and at the 1988 Summer Olympics in the Finn class.
Lemieux grew up sailing on Wabamun Lake west of Edmonton with his five older brothers. He began racing solo boats in the 1970s. [1]
On September 24, 1988, the sailing competition was underway at Pusan, 450 kilometers from South Korea's capital of Seoul, the main Olympic site. It suddenly became very windy, escalating from 15 to 35 knots. In the 470 class, Singapore sailors Joseph Chan and Siew Shaw Her were thrown into the rough water. They were injured and unable to right their damaged boat.[1]
Lemieux was sailing alone near the halfway point in his race on the nearby Finn class race course. He was in second place in the fifth of a seven-race event. Upon seeing the capsized crew, Lemieux broke away and sailed to rescue them. After he rescued Chan and Siew, he waited for and transferred the two sailors onto an official patrol boat. He then finished 22nd in his race.
Notably, the rescue was never mentioned in the Singapore media because it was deemed an embarrassment for Singapore's Olympic effort. Soon after the race, the jury of the International Yacht Racing Union unanimously decided that Lemieux should be awarded second place, the position he was in when he went to the aid of the Singapore crew.
At the medal awards ceremony, Juan Antonio Samaranch, President of the International Olympic Committee, awarded Lemieux the Pierre de Coubertin Medal for Sportsmanship; only 11 of these have been awarded since it was launched in 1964.[1] "By your sportsmanship, self-sacrifice and courage," said Samaranch, "you embody all that is right with the Olympic ideal."
Lemieux has since retired from professional sailing and is now a coach.[1] He is currently living at Seba Beach, Alberta. Asked in a 2012 interview if he would rather be talking about the medal he might have won instead of the rescue, Lemieux referred to sailing's lack of a high media profile: “You spend your life working really hard internationally and you get very few accolades. So that’s the ironic thing; 25 years after this rescue, we’re still talking about it.”[1
Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
now that the oct-1988 st article is cited, although not authored by a local writer, "the rescue was never mentioned in the singapore media" comment is false. we need to address facts and not get carried away with political agendas and personal vendettas. someone here is gonna blame it on the pap and george bush.
now that the oct-1988 st article is cited, although not authored by a local writer, "the rescue was never mentioned in the singapore media" comment is false. we need to address facts and not get carried away with political agendas and personal vendettas. someone here is gonna blame it on the pap and george bush.
Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
Agree. There was no cover up, no hush-hush or attempt to hide the facts in the singapore media and there is absolutely no evidence that the two sailors never show gratitude. It happened two decades ago. No one knows if the 2 sailors and Lawrence had eventually met and maybe had fostered a lasting relationship or went their own ways. Only God knows, frankly. Why're we so concerned about their personal relationships with each other after so many years? Something fishy and unsavory going on, I suppose. Like what? Do show the facts, not the fiction.
Firststate is stating the obvious, even though he has not much support but he has the historical facts right and the ST article he dug out from 1988 is proof that singapore media never try to hush hush the rescue. The contents of the ST article also tell you that both sailors had thanked Lawrence for the rescue. So, what is the issue, what political agendas and personal vendettas are carried away here, folks? Not enough gratitude shown or what? C'mon, who are you to say what is the right publicity and the right degree of appreciation for a rescue?
The ST article also says that Lawrence did not lose his 2nd position in the race, as he was re-instated. So, he got his silver medal. He was not robbed of his medal! No robbery was committed. What robbery? Where? How?
Well, Lawrence did not lose anything. He also said that he was remembered and honored for his rescue even now after two decades while those who won medals are forgotten. So, he actually said he gained more honor and recognition by the rescue. He's now a hero, not just an Olympic medal winner. So, what's the issue here?
Another thing, it happened two decades ago. What transpired till the present, only the 3 of them know. Fortunately, all three of them are still alive. Whoever interested enough in the tiny personal details of the rescue and all that, can check with each of them instead of relying on Wikipedia or the forums and blogs, which we know is not always reliable nor factual. Nicole Seah already said it. Be responsible on the internet. Don't anyhow write rubbish. The internet is a useful tool but also we need to be factual, responsible and accountable when we write anything if we want readers to respect and agree with you. Agree?
now that the oct-1988 st article is cited, although not authored by a local writer, "the rescue was never mentioned in the singapore media" comment is false. we need to address facts and not get carried away with political agendas and personal vendettas. someone here is gonna blame it on the pap and george bush.
Agree. There was no cover up, no hush-hush or attempt to hide the facts in the singapore media and there is absolutely no evidence that the two sailors never show gratitude. It happened two decades ago. No one knows if the 2 sailors and Lawrence had eventually met and maybe had fostered a lasting relationship or went their own ways. Only God knows, frankly. Why're we so concerned about their personal relationships with each other after so many years? Something fishy and unsavory going on, I suppose. Like what? Do show the facts, not the fiction.
Firststate is stating the obvious, even though he has not much support but he has the historical facts right and the ST article he dug out from 1988 is proof that singapore media never try to hush hush the rescue. The contents of the ST article also tell you that both sailors had thanked Lawrence for the rescue. So, what is the issue, what political agendas and personal vendettas are carried away here, folks? Not enough gratitude shown or what? C'mon, who are you to say what is the right publicity and the right degree of appreciation for a rescue?
The ST article also says that Lawrence did not lose his 2nd position in the race, as he was re-instated. So, he got his silver medal. He was not robbed of his medal! No robbery was committed. What robbery? Where? How?
Well, Lawrence did not lose anything. He also said that he was remembered and honored for his rescue even now after two decades while those who won medals are forgotten. So, he actually said he gained more honor and recognition by the rescue. He's now a hero, not just an Olympic medal winner. So, what's the issue here?
Another thing, it happened two decades ago. What transpired till the present, only the 3 of them know. Fortunately, all three of them are still alive. Whoever interested enough in the tiny personal details of the rescue and all that, can check with each of them instead of relying on Wikipedia or the forums and blogs, which we know is not always reliable nor factual. Nicole Seah already said it. Be responsible on the internet. Don't anyhow write rubbish. The internet is a useful tool but also we need to be factual, responsible and accountable when we write anything if we want readers to respect and agree with you. Agree?
Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
What transpired between the 3 of them is already in the articles. What has not transpired between the sports authorities and Lemiuex is obvious for all to see.
Please see my reply in blue.
What transpired between the 3 of them is already in the articles. What has not transpired between the sports authorities and Lemiuex is obvious for all to see.
Please see my reply in blue.
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Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
Given an opportunity to win an Olympics gold medal or the Pierre de Coubertin, I'll take the latter any time, for only 11 heroes embodied this rare Olympics spirit and you're forever famous after receiving the Pierre de Coubertin medal.
Frankly, does anyone of you remember who won the Finn dinghy race in Seoul?
My bet is not many, if any, remember a race in a dinghy. What? A dinghy? Sorry, didn't even know such a dinghy race can make it into the Olympics. LMAO!!
Given an opportunity to win an Olympics gold medal or the Pierre de Coubertin, I'll take the latter any time, for only 11 heroes embodied this rare Olympics spirit and you're forever famous after receiving the Pierre de Coubertin medal.
Frankly, does anyone of you remember who won the Finn dinghy race in Seoul?
My bet is not many, if any, remember a race in a dinghy. What? A dinghy? Sorry, didn't even know such a dinghy race can make it into the Olympics. LMAO!!
Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
How can one say Lawrence Lemieux was robbed? If he had completed all the races, he may win a medal or he may not. No one will ever know as he did not complete the race. He had an outside chance of a medal, but not a guaranteed chance. So, one cannot say he was robbed, surely not. His position in the 5th race was reinstated as second place for him, before he rescued the 2 Sinkie bozos. What is considered ROBBED of a gold medal is the case of the female Korean fencer Shin Ah-Lam, but not the case of Lawrence Lemieux.
Source: http://theconversation.edu.au/better-than-gold-the-real-value-of-the-olympic-games-8756
At the 1988 Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea, Canadian sailor Lawrence Lemieux was racing alone near the halfway point in his Finn class race. He was in second place in a seven-race event when he spotted two Singapore sailors in the water who were both injured and unable to right their boat.
Lemieux broke away and sailed to rescue them , waited for an official patrol boat and then transferred the two sailors. He continued his race and finished in 22nd place. After the race the International Yacht Racing Union jury awarded him second place – his position when he went to the aid of the capsized crew.
Source: http://www.beliefnet.com/Entertainm...ional-Olympic-Moments.aspx?p=10#ixzz23PR0btMq
Lemieux was in second place during his race when he saw two sailors from the Singaporean team in another race fall into the water. Lemieux rowed over and rescued the sailors, hauling them into his small boat. Though he was out of contention, he finished his race after an official boat picked up the sailors. But the Olympics committee awarded him an honorary second-place finish. IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch said, "By your sportsmanship, self-sacrifice and courage, you embody all that is right with the Olympic ideal." Lemieux was not a big name, but his act of bravery brought honor to the Games.
Source: http://www.classefinn.it/finnatics/eng/hisfinn21_4.html
Another Finn sailor to get a medal was Larry Lemieux who gave up a good position in the fifth race to rescue a Singapore 470 sailor from the water after he had lost contact with his boat. He was awarded a silver medal for this feat.
South Korean fencer robbed from gold medal; London 2012
How can one say Lawrence Lemieux was robbed? If he had completed all the races, he may win a medal or he may not. No one will ever know as he did not complete the race. He had an outside chance of a medal, but not a guaranteed chance. So, one cannot say he was robbed, surely not. His position in the 5th race was reinstated as second place for him, before he rescued the 2 Sinkie bozos. What is considered ROBBED of a gold medal is the case of the female Korean fencer Shin Ah-Lam, but not the case of Lawrence Lemieux.
Source: http://theconversation.edu.au/better-than-gold-the-real-value-of-the-olympic-games-8756
At the 1988 Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea, Canadian sailor Lawrence Lemieux was racing alone near the halfway point in his Finn class race. He was in second place in a seven-race event when he spotted two Singapore sailors in the water who were both injured and unable to right their boat.
Lemieux broke away and sailed to rescue them , waited for an official patrol boat and then transferred the two sailors. He continued his race and finished in 22nd place. After the race the International Yacht Racing Union jury awarded him second place – his position when he went to the aid of the capsized crew.
Source: http://www.beliefnet.com/Entertainm...ional-Olympic-Moments.aspx?p=10#ixzz23PR0btMq
Lemieux was in second place during his race when he saw two sailors from the Singaporean team in another race fall into the water. Lemieux rowed over and rescued the sailors, hauling them into his small boat. Though he was out of contention, he finished his race after an official boat picked up the sailors. But the Olympics committee awarded him an honorary second-place finish. IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch said, "By your sportsmanship, self-sacrifice and courage, you embody all that is right with the Olympic ideal." Lemieux was not a big name, but his act of bravery brought honor to the Games.
Source: http://www.classefinn.it/finnatics/eng/hisfinn21_4.html
Another Finn sailor to get a medal was Larry Lemieux who gave up a good position in the fifth race to rescue a Singapore 470 sailor from the water after he had lost contact with his boat. He was awarded a silver medal for this feat.
South Korean fencer robbed from gold medal; London 2012
Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
@Papsmearer, stop being so hot-headed, petty and vindictive and anyhow say others are Firststate's apologists. He just suggested emailing the concerned parties to find out the truth, which is the proper thing to do, instead of guessing this and that on the forum and start imagining things. The story of Seoul, 1988 is all over the web, and rehashed over and over on the internet over the years. Justa simple googling and you can find tons of the news of the rescue. So, I really don't think Firststate is denying that the rescue ever happened. I believe what he's taking issue is the gist of the part of your post which says the 2 Sinkie bozos showed ingratitude and media hushed up the whole matter, as suggested in your post...as below:
@Papsmearer, stop being so hot-headed, petty and vindictive and anyhow say others are Firststate's apologists. He just suggested emailing the concerned parties to find out the truth, which is the proper thing to do, instead of guessing this and that on the forum and start imagining things. The story of Seoul, 1988 is all over the web, and rehashed over and over on the internet over the years. Justa simple googling and you can find tons of the news of the rescue. So, I really don't think Firststate is denying that the rescue ever happened. I believe what he's taking issue is the gist of the part of your post which says the 2 Sinkie bozos showed ingratitude and media hushed up the whole matter, as suggested in your post...as below:
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Re: Little known Olympic fact, S'pore robbed Canada of Silver medal
U can win a gold medal but you cannot win the Pierre de Coubertin. That medal has to be awarded to you by the International Olympic Committee and no doubt their standard is very stringent as only 11 people have won it. If you are looking to get famous by winning it, it can't be done.
U can win a gold medal but you cannot win the Pierre de Coubertin. That medal has to be awarded to you by the International Olympic Committee and no doubt their standard is very stringent as only 11 people have won it. If you are looking to get famous by winning it, it can't be done.
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