Mr Papsmearer would know he had differences with me over something about Asian Financial Crisis and what is the usual year (1997) associated with it. The point is, even he & I don't always see eye to eye.
But thank you, Papsmearer for starting this thread & sharing this 'little known' fact with us.
The rest of the thread, my. my, along comes one rational but smug guy called FirstState who shamelessly admitted 'yeah, I write well because .... I fair, I objective blah blah words to that effect'.
Then along comes ChaoPappy's usual caustic post insulting FirstState ! LOL, for once I read Chao's comments & go 'Attaboy!'.
FirstState, you claim to be neutral but whatever you claim, your mindset is manifested in all your comments.
Of course, of course, not that what others think of you, you give a shit, right?
I am not about to join in the insults other than to try to tell you why you get flamed all over here.
To me, your self-righteousness and self-image of being objective fair-minded are what's really blocking your possibilities of having a widen horizon.
It seems Papsmearer's tone cheesed you off or what, so you start talking about viewing from both sides, presumed innocent before verdict, email but in a right tone (probably nice tone meaning)....
Really, whatever your disclaimers, you sound like a super duper 'meritocracy-champion' technocrat - i.e. an MIW.
Papsmearer's use of talking about Japanese Invasion in WW2 I thought was a good rebuttal of your 'consult both sides' submission, still you protest, justify, deny... and eventually I am sure, in your mind, you will say: fuck it, I don't care to lower myself to spar with these forum lowlives, they can go 'blowjobbing' each other !
My take:
(1) Men like Siew - for that matter PAP's meritocracy-excellence-KPI ideology's necessary - have lost some sense of human decency along the way. Ego, pride, declaration of commitment to targets .... all probably contributing to his UTTER LACK OF GRACE IN SHOWING APPRECIATION FOR SOMEONE SAVING HIS LIFE !
You can get it? FirstState, or you are going to advise me to put up 2 versions to prove I am as objective as you?
Notice, I never suggested Siew should go around offering BJs to his Saviour.
Whether Papsmearer is factual that Siew & gang avoided the Canadian in subsequent meetings in international meetings, I have no need to play detective, proof-reader & I just take his narration as given.
I am his cocksucker ? fucking use your logic!
Had goodwill & graciousness flowed between the saved & his saviour, you would have read of newsworthy human-interest interviews & accounts from Siew & Chan over the years in view that Olympics occur every 4 years. What more, Siew is now in a senior leadership position.
I gather simply that the capsized incident is something he took to heart & would never never like to be reminded again. Hence, cursory acknowledgement - can't deny right? - none in the public dormant & you wanna seek verification with him by writing an email in a world-class right tone?
No wonder you attract the compliment of being a fucktard !
To me, all forummers have idiocyncracies & pet hates - that's fine by me.
This thread is all about THE LACK OF GRACE & SPORTMANSHIP - and by extension, the ethos of this PAP-ruled society
So what Siew & gang have since moved go to win more sporting medals & achievements. kudos to him but his achievement-orientation obsession has made him a lesser human being.
His life was saved!
Had he perished, end of story. period.
in the name of meritocracy, reason, logic, objectivity (all nothing wrong in their own right), people like Siew & FirstState & our MIW all display this simple common denominator :
Boast of all achievements, humble results, hide-low profile-siam-deny-ignore-downplay-spin-rework/results is all that matters / human cost be damned : life's like that ! / smug technocractic mindset - I have reason on my side, as if reason is the Overlord & common sense don't count.
To conclude, FirstState, your challenge to Papsmearer is typically PAPzis styled:
so, Papsmearer, tell me, what you want, what you want Siew to do, be beholden forever?
Hey, you continue to miss the point totally!
PAP's typical challenging tactic to the Opposition - all monkey-see-monkey-do learning from Old Man's arrogant legal footwork & cornering questioning style that narrows discussion & coercing opponents in his legendary cul-de-sac.....
Papsmearer, to my mind, is simply sharing with us - as in his thread title - this 'little known Olympic fact'.
Get it ? FirstState ? no need to read too much ... and really, it is your ego issue not others' ego issue.
You are simply too thin-skinned & thick-headed, self-righteous & one-dimensional in your thought process.
And you still cannot recognise sarcasm & admit 'you write well' (not too bad really but it fucking shouldn't come from yourself - is the point), but given the narrowband evidence of your postings, I am highly sceptical you are capable of writing your proposed fact-finding verifying email in er.. the 'right tone'....
Holy Cow!
FirstState, for you to be set upon by Scroo, Pap, Chao, jw5, Narong etc etc, it is really something.
You continue like this, you will be good company for Kanina
Sure , sure, You can continue to retort in defiance ... yawn.... sigh !