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Let the PAPies show us TRUE Graciousness. Ong Kah Chua needs medical supervision.

Dear Rain

Errr has his house been repossessed ? First I have heard of it :_)). Look I all I can say is disagree with the government all you want, be angry all you want but nothing justifies violence. The US gave birth to Timothy Mcveigh and the Oaklohoma Bombings, Singapore to OKC.

I doubt the attacks will cease and I have always believed that we need a stronger social safety net. That aside I have seen that even with the stronger net in liberal democracies nut cases like T Mcveigh still abound and that there will be homeless poor and the angry like OKC.

Nothing justifies violence in my view.




Locke
 
Dear Kawoki

I believe that line of defense " Your honor his face was the sort of face that needed to be punched or caused me to punch him" is something that will be laughed out of court anywhere in the world. It will not help but harm him one bit even in mitigation after he has been found guilty.

The only defense that the law world wide accepts in attacking another person, is self defense or extreme provocation and these factors determine culpability or even extent of culpability.



Locke

But the question still arise - how does the Court determines culpability, if not to an appeal to objective facts and thereafter reasonable deductions?

Again i like to point out that the issue is not "that i do not like your face, but what did you do to exacerbate the situation".
 
Dear Kawoki

Ok the defense can I believe argue lesser culpability in court for a lesser charge leading to a lesser punishment. Caveat please check with lawyers more well versed in criminal law. The defences of diminished responsibility and provocation does not absolve OKC of all culpability. If they seek the defense as stated to render him not guilty on all counts then I believe they are barking up the wrong tree.

He might have some leeway with diminished responsibility, I doubt he has any with provocation under a court of law. I doubt saying that he is seventy poor and oppressed by the government cuts any legal slack.



Locke
 
Hello Locke,

Still the Court can only decide after hearing both sides of the story.

That is why it is hoped that an able and competent lawyer step forward to provide Mr Ong's side.

Only when Mr Ong's side of the story is heard can an adequate judgment be passed.

The Court will make its judgment and the people their judgment.

From one, a legal opinion full of power and authority.

From the other, collective consciousness.
 
Locke,
We're talking about "World Class Singapore Government."
The PAP MPs shouldn't go under the guise of the 20 year jail term and continues to provoke the citizens... OKC had already seek the only hope he could have left. Having served Singapore for so many years in his life, and to find his home repossessed. Out of desperation and mad with anger (no pun intended), lashing out could have been his way of getting attention. I do not think he can think with logic at this point.

Now the problem I'm afraid is will the govt, given the will to impose a warning to the countrymen, impose a maximum penalty to this old guy? Even so, I don't think these kind of attacks will cease in the future.

This sort of attack will not have happened where there are protest around sinkieland and the govt will be corrected based on the protest.
 
Dear Dan

Hmmm perhaps you would like to answer that question about what you mean exactly by a mitigation of circumstances seeing as people seem to be misunderstanding you every other way but the correct way

Do u believe the mitigating circumstances are a defense against being found guilty or that the mitigating circumstances are cause for a lessening of the severity of punishment after verdict has been passed ? I am all for the latter and not for the former unless he can be proven clinically not mentally responsible for his actions.

With regards to whether he can afford his defense, that is something for his family to decide ( newspaper reports indicate that he is getting an allowance from son's and daughters ). Again the litmus test for me is that if he had chosen to burn his neighbor for scolding him for being untidy , the same considerations would have applied.




Locke

Everybody understands. But why you don't ar ?

Your PRO PAP instinct reacting to what I posted is it ?

Dan
 
I am good. Thanks.

Good luck in having anything meaningful with that silver cockster.

By law, Ong has to be arrested. However, if he is really a IMH case, then he should not be charged.

But i wonder if you believe the report from IMH, remember they are from the govt as well. They might do anything to protect the status of the elite and to show others if you try anything funny, your fate is the end.

A person being attack 2 times, i have doubt in his character.

Dear Tony,

Well said. Succint and clear to the point.

Cheers :)

Dan
 
But the question still arise - how does the Court determines culpability, if not to an appeal to objective facts and thereafter reasonable deductions?

Again i like to point out that the issue is not "that i do not like your face, but what did you do to exacerbate the situation".

Dear Kako,

Don't bother with Locke, he is in one of his PAP double talk mode.

The readers knows exactly what you mean but Locke is simply trying to muddy the waters and gain some brownie points to nurse his pro cheng hu needs.

But its up to you. Sometimes it can be quite fun to see him tie himself up by chasing himself round the tree. LOL.

It is obvious to all of us now, that he believes OKC Have ABSOLUTELY NO DEFENCE and all MITIGATING FACTORS are IRRELAVENT.

Cheers :)

Dan
 
OKC needs help, not punishment.

I wondered why locke and silver are so pro on pain, torture and punishment. Then I realized that they are only looking at the issue with pinpoint myopic accuracy. For one assaulted another, assailant should be punished.

For Dan and I had looked beyond the issue - to the root of the problem. If the PAP can give a few more ang baos on that day, will this attack ever occurred? If the root of the problem is not resolved, I'm afraid there will be more and more attacks on the MPs.

The govt wants to advocate graciousness and compassion, so where is the graciousness and compassion when this is the best chance to show it to the Singaporeans?

以德服人 can they do that?
Rain.


Yo Rannix :P

Power !

But those Humbug PAP porlampar writers here WILL NOT REGISTER what you said.

Die die they will try to perverse it and get you into a skirmish with them and DRAG you to the gutter so that their PRO cheng hu stance be serve.

They tried their stunts with me and are duly slap.

End of the day, the truth is, they have always believe that OKC deserve no Mercy, Compassion at all.

They have REJECTED all other mitigating factors of Mr Ong that lead to his actions.

But they will NOT even allow you to breathe a single doubt about Mr Seng's character, while they continue to chacracter assasinate Mr Ong.

This clearly shows their double standards, yet they have the CHEEK to think we are stupid enough to believe their hogwash.

So they can talk bull and crap the whole day long, come up with the worse analogy, examples and worse, PERVERSE your points and try to confuse you.

Stay firm and to the point :)

And yes, THOUSANDS of our marginalised elderly are leading miserable pathetic lives, and Many many thanks for reminding the readers again.

I remain grateful.

Dan
 
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Hello Locke,

Still the Court can only decide after hearing both sides of the story.

That is why it is hoped that an able and competent lawyer step forward to provide Mr Ong's side.

Only when Mr Ong's side of the story is heard can an adequate judgment be passed.

The Court will make its judgment and the people their judgment.

From one, a legal opinion full of power and authority.

From the other, collective consciousness.

Bro, you have alot of patience indeed :)

Thank goodness there are still fair minded people around like you.

Locke have compared Mr Ong to Madoff.

Just take a look at this quote of his in an earlier post.

"""The fact that he is old is besides the point for the purposes of jail :_)) Look at Madoff and the no of people howling for him to be jailed.

He should be charged and the courts should be allowed to arrive at its verdict."""

LOL. Do you still think he is of sound mind ?

Perhaps Locke needs psychiatric assessment instead.

Cheers.

Dan
 
OMG. Self gratification :p

Now I just realised I should not have rebuke the mentally sick. Because one turn, they come back and give you a slap. I do apologise if I have offended any of these sicks in this thread. My sincere apologies.

And I do not have any money to give, so please do not douse me with petrol.:o
 
Dear Kawoki

Ok the defense can I believe argue lesser culpability in court for a lesser charge leading to a lesser punishment. Caveat please check with lawyers more well versed in criminal law. The defences of diminished responsibility and provocation does not absolve OKC of all culpability. If they seek the defense as stated to render him not guilty on all counts then I believe they are barking up the wrong tree.

He might have some leeway with diminished responsibility, I doubt he has any with provocation under a court of law. I doubt saying that he is seventy poor and oppressed by the government cuts any legal slack.



Locke

You have said your piece. Whatever it is, whatever you said, telling a biased person your views will not engage them to think hard as to what you had said. Their purpose to start with this thread was not to discuss but to stamp their point on what they think. Any other alternative would seem PAP-pro, uncompassionate, ungraciousness to them.

The irony part is after all that has been discussed, no concrete stuff will come out of this thread, because no one will be taking any action. ;)
 
You have said your piece. Whatever it is, whatever you said, telling a biased person your views will not engage them to think hard as to what you had said. Their purpose to start with this thread was not to discuss but to stamp their point on what they think. Any other alternative would seem PAP-pro, uncompassionate, ungraciousness to them.

The irony part is after all that has been discussed, no concrete stuff will come out of this thread, because no one will be taking any action. ;)

Thats a lie and you know it.

You have been taking action to stamp out the ground fire for the PAP all this time. You are the No. One action Jack in this thread !

Show us some gracioussness and kindly tell your masters to be compassionate and gracious to the marginalised peasants.
You are in a much better position then for us peasants to do so here.

Let your moral conscience shine :)

Cheers :)

Dan
 
Thats a lie and you know it.

You have been taking action to stamp out the ground fire for the PAP all this time.

Cheers :)

Dan

Which part is a lie? You mean the part where I said no action will be taken to help OKC after all these discussion?

You mean to say you are really going to help him?:eek:
 
Which part is a lie? You mean the part where I said no action will be taken to help OKC after all these discussion?

You mean to say you are really going to help him?:eek:

I thought you want dust to settle in this thread ?

LOL.

Why so kancheong. Your year end bonus depends on this ?

LOL.

Dan
 
I thought you want dust to settle in this thread ?

LOL.

Why so kancheong. Your year end bonus depends on this ?

LOL.

Dan

Wanted it to settle, till you keep mentioning you had us slapped, putting words into me and Locke's mouth..... You just keep coming....

My year end bonus or CNY bonus don't depend on this, but the way you talked as if OKC really needs your help to be able to walk free out of detention right now.

Read the below carefully, think it few times before you reply
So which part is a lie? The part where I said your purpose of this thread was not to discuss but to stamp your point or the part where I said nothing concrete will come out of this thread eventually?

Don't say I never warn you to read it carefully, because my next reply will be how you going to answer :D
 
Wanted it to settle, till you keep mentioning you had us slapped, putting words into me and Locke's mouth..... You just keep coming....

My year end bonus or CNY bonus don't depend on this, but the way you talked as if OKC really needs your help to be able to walk free out of detention right now.

Read the below carefully, think it few times before you reply
So which part is a lie? The part where I said your purpose of this thread was not to discuss but to stamp your point or the part where I said nothing concrete will come out of this thread eventually?

Don't say I never warn you to read it carefully, because my next reply will be how you going to answer :D

What a bozo you are.

I started the thread, I can reply whenever I please right ?

Fact is, you are still coming in although the replies are not address to you. Why you so itchy ar ? Despite the fact that you want this to settle which you proclaim, you are still at it.

Thanks for the participation though. :P

Don't have to twist further la. The writers and readers here know exactly where my stand is. Whereas you, you just want to hang OKC right now. So much for sticking to your PAPie master call for a gracious society.

While you are there saying I am stamping my points across and twisting my every words, I am merely returning a favour. How does the bitter medicine taste ? :P

Its a free forum bozo. Get it ? If you can still manage a single twitch of your intellect, convince the readers here about your mighty Pro Torture, Anti compassion, Anti Graciousness stance.

And certainly all your year end bonus is dependent on your Casino and Gamblig website ? Really your seng lee so good ? LOL.

Carry on and rave. I will come kick your balls now and then for the fun of it, if I choose to, because peasants like me are always like that want. What the PAPies cannot do, don't expect the citizens to do.

Meanwhile you can rage and howl all you want. Why ? Because what the Papies cannot do, bozos like you can do so too. :)

Dan
 
What a bozo you are.

I started the thread, I can reply whenever I please right ?

Fact is, you are still coming in although the replies are not address to you. Why you so itchy ar ? Despite the fact that you want this to settle which you proclaim, you are still at it.

Thanks for the participation though. :P

Dan

Yup, you can reply whatever you want, whatever you like.

You seemed very aggressive, I supposed

I surrender. I can't win an idiot. :(
 
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