Let the PAPies show us TRUE Graciousness. Ong Kah Chua needs medical supervision.

[silverfox@]

I see,

So to you, Mr OKC is not human ?

:P

Like I said, don't score more own goals. Take my advice my friend

Dan

Now,

Which part did I said OKC is not human? He needs to be punished by the law with his vicious act.

 

[Dan Now]

Oh ok, let's talk some bull and let's smell some shit. Now you start saying this is just a forum.
So end of the day, this thread will be dusted a few pages behind and there is nothing much you can do to help Ong Kah Chua right?

Reiterate on my point that Talk is free.

You sure have a habit of beating round the bush repeating your own goal scoring acts.

End of the day, you will help the PAP crucify OKC right ?

And let the forum readers register this.

Mr Fox, have written off ALL MITIGATING FACTORS for Mr OKC.

And He consider Mr. OKC to be a lesser human being.

And why are you still wasting time with me, if dust is going to settle on this thread ?

You are truly one confuse bloke.

Dan

 

[Dan Now]

Now,

Which part did I said OKC is not human? He needs to be punished by the law with his vicious act.

You have rejected all of the mitigating factors and you just want to see him burn even before sentence is pass.

So there.

Cheers

 

[silverfox@]

You sure have a habit of beating round the bush repeating your own goal scoring acts.

End of the day, you will help the PAP crucify OKC right ?

And let the forum readers register this.

Mr Fox, have written off ALL MITIGATING FACTORS for Mr OKC.

And He consider Mr. OKC to be a lesser human being.

And why are you still wasting time with me, if dust is going to settle on this thread ?

You are truly one confuse bloke.

Dan

Let the law do its job.

I did not put OKC as a lesser human being. All along in this thread, you have been putting far too many words into my mouth.

My stance is clear. OKC should and must be punished for his act, regardless of who his victim is.

 

[silverfox@]

You have rejected all of the mitigating factors and you just want to see him burn even before sentence is pass.

So there.

Cheers

I only said he must be punished by the law, what say you?

Does that mean I want to see him being burnt? Are you trying to absolve what OKC has done?

 

[Dan Now]

Let the law do its job.

I did not put OKC as a lesser human being. All along in this thread, you have been putting far too many words into my mouth.

My stance is clear. OKC should and must be punished for his act, regardless of who his victim is.

I didn't put any words in your mouth.

You are simply denying your own state of mind and your lack of any dram of compassion for Mr. OKC.

You can talk till your death, the readers in this forum are not stupid. Don't try the PAP double talk on any of the bros here. I am already consider mild

And STILL the fact remains, you are still rejecting Mr OKC rights for the consideration of the mitigating factors that lead to his act OUTRIGHT.

And thus, in your eyes, he can be denied of his rights.

And that MY FRIEND, means YOU CONSIDER HIM TO BE A LESSER HUMAN BEING.

So yeah you can try posting more replies. I urge you to digest the monstrosity of your post that you have written here today.

Your conscience, is between you and yourself.

Cheers

Dan

 

[silverfox@]

I didn't put any words in your mouth.

You are simply denying your own state of mind and your lack of any dram of compassion for Mr. OKC.

You can talk till your death, the readers in this forum are not stupid. Don't try the PAP double talk on any of the bros here. I am already consider mild

And STILL the fact remains, you are still rejecting Mr OKC rights for the consideration of the mitigating factors that lead to his act OUTRIGHT.

And thus, in your eyes, he can be denied of his rights.

And that MY FRIEND, means YOU CONSIDER HIM TO BE A LESSER HUMAN BEING.

So yeah you can try posting more replies. I urge you to digest the monstrosity of your post that you have written here today.

Your conscience, is between you and yourself.

Cheers

Dan

Ok ok lah, let you win. You can assume whatever you want. Please take some concrete action to help OKC off the hook if you can. That's if you can. No point you 1 post, I 1 post.

 

[vamjok]

all of you bloody idiots. how long does it take you guys to realise he has already being knight with the title cockroach Lord.

ITS SIR ONG, NOT MR ONG

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Dan

In your own flair for rhetorical polemics as stated below. But then again perhaps its me reading you wrong and it was just a rhetorical question and not an expression of your belief.

Lets take u at your word then, So when you talk about "mitigating circumstances" Are u talking about circumstances which would absolve him of guilt leading to him being found not guilty or are you talking about circumstances which could lead to a lessening of the punishment after HE HAS BEEN found guilty all in a court of law ? Some clarification of your position would be nice


Locke

Mr Ong, as the STATE Media have reported is a regular at our IMH. And he is of an advance age of 70. Why should he be charge in court in the first place ? How progressive and gracious are our Singapore Elites when they should resort to placing an old man with mental difficiency to be charge and given the maximum sentence "

"Why did our AG at our courts even allowed the case to be entered in our courts in the first place ?"

 

[Dan Now]

Dear Dan

In your own flair for rhetorical polemics as stated below. But then again perhaps its me reading you wrong and it was just a rhetorical question and not an expression of your belief.

Lets take u at your word then, So when you talk about "mitigating circumstances" Are u talking about circumstances which would absolve him of guilt leading to him being found not guilty or are you talking about circumstances which could lead to a lessening of the punishment after HE HAS BEEN found guilty all in a court of law ? Some clarification of your position would be nice


Locke

Mr Ong, as the STATE Media have reported is a regular at our IMH. And he is of an advance age of 70. Why should he be charge in court in the first place ? How progressive and gracious are our Singapore Elites when they should resort to placing an old man with mental difficiency to be charge and given the maximum sentence "

"Why did our AG at our courts even allowed the case to be entered in our courts in the first place ?"

Dear Locke,

The problem is you are still having a hang up and quoting me as if I am reciting off a holy book.

The Gist of my message is clear. And I have repeated many times, clarify with you and stated what I explicitly mean but you choose the mischevious path.

I am glad you have finally understood what I mean. I SURE hope so that is.

STILL the question remains, do you think that the mitigating factors that lead to Mr. Ong's behaviour be given due consideration ?

Even if that happens, he still needs a good defence lawyers and other expert witness to testify. That cost money.

I have ask for mercy and compassion to be shown to Mr. Ong and that Gracious standards of behaviour which our elites in white have always been preaching be excercised.

If you have a problem with that, so be it. We already know where you stand.

Cheers

Dan

 

[Dan Now]

Ok ok lah, let you win. You can assume whatever you want. Please take some concrete action to help OKC off the hook if you can. That's if you can. No point you 1 post, I 1 post.

Well I am sure you are the ultimate winner as you have PAP logic and graciousness at your side.

If you can help Mr Seng ran more errands in this forum and por PAP lanpar, carry on.

You see, the onus I repeat, remains with you and your PAP masters to show graciousness. Clearly, none can be expected.

I wish you all the best

By the way, the website you have been spamming with your signature is paid for by the PAP ?

Dan

 

[Yoshitei]

GCT said "Nobody will be left behind".

Unfortunately, he's a nobody.

 

[rainnix]

My only worry is that the BIGGER issue about the plight of our homeless, sick and elderly is being sidelined by this discussion itself.

OKC is one of the many homeless destitutes elderly that have been abandon by the many self proclaiming gracious elites.

Even if they insist that OKC be hang one thousand times, the plight of the marginalise homeless will not improve.
Dan

OKC needs help, not punishment.

I wondered why locke and silver are so pro on pain, torture and punishment. Then I realized that they are only looking at the issue with pinpoint myopic accuracy. For one assaulted another, assailant should be punished.

For Dan and I had looked beyond the issue - to the root of the problem. If the PAP can give a few more ang baos on that day, will this attack ever occurred? If the root of the problem is not resolved, I'm afraid there will be more and more attacks on the MPs.

The govt wants to advocate graciousness and compassion, so where is the graciousness and compassion when this is the best chance to show it to the Singaporeans?

以德服人 can they do that?
Rain.

 

[kakowi]

Dear Kawoki

He is guilty as hell, witnesses galore caught red handed, all the issues you have raised would be at most mitigating circumstances for a plea bargain but would not absolve him of guilt in any way. Think about it if the victim was not SHT but a man in the street would these factors as you stated matter in determining guilt ?

SHT might be an arsehole, might have been rude and argued with him if ever but in any case , no court would accept the defense, SHT was an arsehole hence I have the right to do GBH and assault, burn , stab etc etc.


Locke

Hello Locke,

Yes, objectively, he is indeed guilty of setting fire to MP Seng.

The only question is the degree of mitigation.

It is indeed true that whilst i may dislike your face, i have no right to punch it.

But the question arise if it is indeed your face that causes it to be punched or some other thing that you have done.

For that you need to look into similar circumstances to see how other people react.

In this case, for all the other PAP MPs, lightning does not strike twice. In fact it hardly strike at all. So why should it be for MP Seng - not once, but twice - and so disastrously?

Is this is due to MP Seng's actions that caused two of his constituents to be so sufficiently provoked that they will do such a thing. Or if it is just a coincidence - twice!

Bear in mind that we are talking about the PAP MP here - a person who is from the ruling class. And also bear in mind the reasonableness of the assumption that no one in their right mind or without extreme provocation will want to do such a thing.

Thus it should be examined from a defense point of view the degree of culpability on the part of MP Seng and assess the strength of this mitigating factor in the sentencing.

 

[kakowi]

Thank you Kakowi.

Elegant convincing post indeed.

We all already know that a fair trial for OKC would mean the engagement of expert psychiatrist.

Can OKC afford them ? Can OKC afford the expensive legal services to help him mitigate his case ?

For those who are still ignoring those simple factors obviously have their heads high above in LA LA land.

Thanks again

Dan

You are greatly welcome Dan.

Have a good day

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Kawoki

I believe that line of defense " Your honor his face was the sort of face that needed to be punched or caused me to punch him" is something that will be laughed out of court anywhere in the world. It will not help but harm him one bit even in mitigation after he has been found guilty.

The only defense that the law world wide accepts in attacking another person, is self defense or extreme provocation and these factors determine culpability or even extent of culpability.



Locke

 

[tonychat]

Hey Tony,

How have you been ? Hope you are fine and well.

Well, thanks for sounding me out.

Nevertheless, it is my personal believe that Silver deserve to air his piece and hopefully in a discussion, some form of meaningful exchange can mature.

My only worry is that the BIGGER issue about the plight of our homeless, sick and elderly is being sidelined by this discussion itself.

OKC is one of the many homeless destitutes elderly that have been abandon by the many self proclaiming gracious elites.

Even if they insist that OKC be hang one thousand times, the plight of the marginalise homeless will not improve.

Cheers and may you be well and happy

Dan

I am good. Thanks.

Good luck in having anything meaningful with that silver cockster.

By law, Ong has to be arrested. However, if he is really a IMH case, then he should not be charged.

But i wonder if you believe the report from IMH, remember they are from the govt as well. They might do anything to protect the status of the elite and to show others if you try anything funny, your fate is the end.

A person being attack 2 times, i have doubt in his character.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Dan

Hmmm perhaps you would like to answer that question about what you mean exactly by a mitigation of circumstances seeing as people seem to be misunderstanding you every other way but the correct way

Do u believe the mitigating circumstances are a defense against being found guilty or that the mitigating circumstances are cause for a lessening of the severity of punishment after verdict has been passed ? I am all for the latter and not for the former unless he can be proven clinically not mentally responsible for his actions.

With regards to whether he can afford his defense, that is something for his family to decide ( newspaper reports indicate that he is getting an allowance from son's and daughters ). Again the litmus test for me is that if he had chosen to burn his neighbor for scolding him for being untidy , the same considerations would have applied.




Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Rainnix

There will always be the poor dispossessed and angry in any society. The US UK Japan etc etc, the fact that they are poor dispossessed and angry does not justify burning anyone or an elected representative.

The PAP might be an arse, the PAP policies even worse but I cannot look at the two look at that idiot SHT and say that SHT deserves to being burnt with GBH and evil intent.




Locke

 

[rainnix]

Locke,
We're talking about "World Class Singapore Government."
The PAP MPs shouldn't go under the guise of the 20 year jail term and continues to provoke the citizens... OKC had already seek the only hope he could have left. Having served Singapore for so many years in his life, and to find his home repossessed. Out of desperation and mad with anger (no pun intended), lashing out could have been his way of getting attention. I do not think he can think with logic at this point.

Now the problem I'm afraid is will the govt, given the will to impose a warning to the countrymen, impose a maximum penalty to this old guy? Even so, I don't think these kind of attacks will cease in the future.