Serious Lee Wei Ling & Lee Hsien Yang condemns Lee Hsien Loong

[zhihau]

The chinese equivalent will be "一剑见血“。

动之以情，晓之以理，协之以力，诱之以利，绳之以法。
Wakarishimashite?

 

[Satyr]

well aware of who (in the plural) you're exactly referring to. thanks for the reminder. that's why the very public damage and potential repercussions that are being inflicted by siblings is not in the interest of sg, sinkies, and positive agents of sg, but their own selfish narcissistic obsession. instead of aiding these 2 clowns in promoting their destructive agendas and selfish personal grievances, agents and career serpents of sg in the bureaucracy, former and current, with personal dislike of the current regime should set differences aside and put the national interest first. instead some are coming out of the cowardy woodwork and hiding behind so called anynomity online to add fuel to the greenish wildfire, game of thrones style. they should be ashamed and be exposed. either leave the service or shut up if they can fall so easily to these dual royal clowns' antics and tantrums. the bigger picture and the larger underworld out there is beyond the grasp of these 2 royal bozos and their clueless cheerleaders.

The siblings have made it plain they think Singapore is better off without their Brother in command with his unelected Wife pulling strings. If LHLs tenure had been stellar we could dismiss all they say. It hasn't. So why shouldn't we listen to information from the inside track. More damage may be done by continuing as we have done so far.

 

[eatshitndie]

The siblings have made it plain they think Singapore is better off without their Brother in command with his unelected Wife pulling strings. If LHLs tenure had been stellar we could dismiss all they say. It hasn't. So why shouldn't we listen to information from the inside track. More damage may be done by continuing as we have done so far.

unfortunately for his siblings more than 69% believe he's doing a terrific job.

 

[Satyr]

unfortunately for his siblings more than 69% believe he's doing a terrific job.

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Not really. They think he is safer than the opposition. Do they really think he is the best leader in the PAP ?

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Nor from me but merely trying to point out that there are forces out there relishing this feud - not scaremongering but just stating facts - any sign of weakness is taken as weakness. This debacle has just unearthed how fragile and vulnerable the island is to pressures of external forces who would lean more heavily now - so my comment has nothing to do with serial civil servants but the gathering storm from outside.

Despite the hooha in the foreign press, I don't get the sense that foreign confidence in SG has eroded because of the Lee spat. International players are used to far worse feuds, scandals, and political upheavals in other countries. What they see is that the PAP still has a firm grip on power and the people of SG (namely the 70%) still support the govt strongly. No change.

All this bullshit is actually distracting people from the real issue, which is the economic gloom that has descended over SG in the past several months. The rest of the world is not doing great but neither is the sky falling (yet). SG already seems to be going into the toilet. Look at all the unused office spaces building up, Mount Elizabeth hospital practically empty on a working Friday, rental arrears increasing, more and more taxi drivers on the road, everyone saying it is very quiet everywhere, etc. This has gone on for some time and the govt seems to be asleep at the switch. Having a Lee saga now is only a distraction.

By year end, Singapore will likely be in recession and jobless rate will be going up significantly.

 

[eatshitndie]

Not really. They think he is safer than the opposition. Do they really think he is the best leader in the PAP ?

who cares what they think as long as the pap collectively embrace the first yoke of their godly founder.

 

[rusty]

It also shows that both LHY and LWL are no match to Ho Ching when it comes to clear and calm argument. Their standards pale in comparison. So many FB messages are but smoke without fire whereas Ho Ching' one single FB explanation did the job clean-cut. The chinese equivalent will be "一剑见血“。If LHY and LWL still care about their reputation, and not stumble and fumble any more, just come out openly and apologize that their accusations are baseless and they are blinded by their own prejudices and bias.

Reserve the best for last? Akan Datang 4th of July.

 

[Seee3]

The siblings have made it plain they think Singapore is better off without their Brother in command with his unelected Wife pulling strings. If LHLs tenure had been stellar we could dismiss all they say. It hasn't. So why shouldn't we listen to information from the inside track. More damage may be done by continuing as we have done so far.

Thanks for the clear and concise summary.

 

[Froggy]

unfortunately for his siblings more than 69% believe he's doing a terrific job.

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Looking at this photo Singapore is indeed heaven on earth, make me wanna cum, I mean come home and forget about Bkk. Quitter regret syndrome now, too late for me.

 

[rusty]

eatshitndie;2617685]unfortunately for his siblings more than 69% believe he's doing a terrific job.

Typo error?= Terrible

 

[eatshitndie]

Looking at this photo Singapore is indeed heaven on earth, make me wanna cum, I mean come home and forget about Bkk. Quitter regret syndrome now, too late for me.

every evening i bike to the marina, admire the sunset at a vantage point, and jerk off in relief knowing sg is in good hands. if you cum back i blanjah you with gout-inducing satay at marina.

 

[eatshitndie]

Typo error?= Terrible

pun intended in this case.

 

[scroobal]

I find that most people including some here unlike your excellent approach have taken the event as a zero sum game - PAP needs to completely collapse if not the siblings are wrong or ineffective or peddling half-truths, no substance etc. Singaporeans have been conditioned not to make judgement or even a fair assessment or even use their instincts until Straits Times spells it out in black and white. Notice why PM did the SD and because the siblings have not done so, they must be lying.

Its never a zero sum game. Clearly the PAP is on the backfoot, credibility is clear issue, the PM is struggling etc. The Government as well the ST are clearly avoiding the key issues and going around in circles or playing with semantics. Look at Indranee of the house of Drew & Napier and her essay - all she came out with is her imagination - PM only does not want visitors to trudge thru his house. And we are paying her more than a penny to come with this kind of garbage.

Some pundits have made this comment whch is spot-on - what happened to the famous cabinet doctrine to sue or else leave the cabinet. Why are we having this opera, why can't the PM sue if all these allegation are indeed "baseless" (his exact word). Just because GCT calls it a family feud suddenly the doctine has a get-out clause.

Then we have the idiots - who are still waiting for the smoking gun to pass judgement. It was fired with the opening 6 page joint statement. There are serious allegations made and the govt has repeatedly failed to address them convincely and the fallback position is the parliamentary hearing. Then they sent in Tharman who also failed when LHY revealed more details.

The siblings have made it plain they think Singapore is better off without their Brother in command with his unelected Wife pulling strings. If LHLs tenure had been stellar we could dismiss all they say. It hasn't. So why shouldn't we listen to information from the inside track. More damage may be done by continuing as we have done so far.

 

[scroobal]

Brand damage is not to easy to inflict. Personal credibility on the other hand can be demolished by a single event. Except for democracy, all other infrastructure by the founding team will last a long time. The damage is only to the some members of the leadership team and the PM. As a country the resilience factor plus the reserves including IMF special drawing rights are still rock solid. It is not a banana republic.

If the PM is replaced but not the party, it unlikely to change overall investor confidence.

As there is no other viable party now or in the near future, investors prefer the status quo with or without LHL.

Despite the hooha in the foreign press, I don't get the sense that foreign confidence in SG has eroded because of the Lee spat. International players are used to far worse feuds, scandals, and political upheavals in other countries. What they see is that the PAP still has a firm grip on power and the people of SG (namely the 70%) still support the govt strongly. No change.

All this bullshit is actually distracting people from the real issue, which is the economic gloom that has descended over SG in the past several months. The rest of the world is not doing great but neither is the sky falling (yet). SG already seems to be going into the toilet. Look at all the unused office spaces building up, Mount Elizabeth hospital practically empty on a working Friday, rental arrears increasing, more and more taxi drivers on the road, everyone saying it is very quiet everywhere, etc. This has gone on for some time and the govt seems to be asleep at the switch. Having a Lee saga now is only a distraction.

By year end, Singapore will likely be in recession and jobless rate will be going up significantly.

 

[scroobal]

Lol, good one.

National Heritage Board has just announced there was a typo in our national anthem.

The correct title should be

Malu-lah Singapura !!

 

[decent02]

LHY latest posting: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1903335603239873&id=1875092342730866

Ho Ching somehow believes that acting on behalf of the "PMO" gives her license to take LKY's personal belongings and interfere with the estate. (How does she act on behalf of PMO, despite having no official position in PMO?) Moreover, the personal items do not belong to the PMO and are not theirs to loan. This oversteps the legal rights of the PMO.

Wei Ling and myself do not object in principle to lending LKY's personal effects to the NHB. Indeed, we gave many of our father's personal items to the NHB to exhibit -- a gift that the NHB tried to return after "someone senior" ordered them to unwind the gift.

We again note that the estate's residual items fall under the executors of our father's estate (which neither Ho Ching nor Hsien Loong were for any of the seven drafts of the will) -- not the beneficiaries or the PMO. The executors of LKY's estate never authorized Ho Ching to remove the items she admits to removing. Informing the executors after the fact does not give her the right to intermeddle.

 

[scroobal]

Istana, Oxley and the National Day VIP grandstands are security assessed by successive British Gurkha Commanders. All potential sniper positions are sealed off as in the case of Cavanagh Road apartments paid for by the State, no compensation for owners who lost their view. All developments around Oxley must have their plans security assessed. Those that are not sealed such as ND sites are manned by GC during the event all these years. He never trusted Singaporeans. Indira Gandhi paid the price as history shows.

never been to oxley road but i doubt there a clear field of fire for u to shoot 120mm. a few pounds of C4 more effective.

 

[JohnTan]

The siblings have made it plain they think Singapore is better off without their Brother in command with his unelected Wife pulling strings. If LHLs tenure had been stellar we could dismiss all they say. It hasn't. So why shouldn't we listen to information from the inside track. More damage may be done by continuing as we have done so far.

This is what many of us think about the siblings. They are making trouble for our good PM and destabilizing Singapore for their personal agendas.

 

[Wunderfool]

LHY latest posting: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1903335603239873&id=1875092342730866

Ho Ching somehow believes that acting on behalf of the "PMO" gives her license to take LKY's personal belongings and interfere with the estate. (How does she act on behalf of PMO, despite having no official position in PMO?) Moreover, the personal items do not belong to the PMO and are not theirs to loan. This oversteps the legal rights of the PMO.

Wei Ling and myself do not object in principle to lending LKY's personal effects to the NHB. Indeed, we gave many of our father's personal items to the NHB to exhibit -- a gift that the NHB tried to return after "someone senior" ordered them to unwind the gift.

We again note that the estate's residual items fall under the executors of our father's estate (which neither Ho Ching nor Hsien Loong were for any of the seven drafts of the will) -- not the beneficiaries or the PMO. The executors of LKY's estate never authorized Ho Ching to remove the items she admits to removing. Informing the executors after the fact does not give her the right to intermeddle.

LHY is trying to do damage control ... it is too late. The accusation that he made about Ho Ching sneaking into LKY's house on 6 Feb and took away LKY's documents while he was still in ICA needs a apology from him. It is clear that he doesn't have the facts. Once you are proved a liar, what follows doesn't really matter. What he is doing now is merely to divert attention away from his lies.

If he is in the government, I worry. I think LKY sees this son through and never put him in government.

 

[zhihau]

Having a Lee saga now is only a distraction.

Bro,

inward looking, we're fucked when we don't reproduce. PRC had a one-child policy and it's gonna have them fucked in another 30 years time. They are starting to look for immigrants too, mind you. We're fucked soon as the TFR dropped to about 1.5 some 15 years back, and I think the policy makers had given up on Sinkies as they're going extinct in the next generation or two. The immigration policy didn't quite halt or change much as 70% of the Sinkies haven't any clue until they go wide-eyed when caught in the headlights.

How to keep the populace afloat?