Serious Lee Wei Ling & Lee Hsien Yang condemns Lee Hsien Loong

[swissbank]

[video=youtube;8WE0lRrOHDc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WE0lRrOHDc[/video]

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

Hopefully PEH's questions raised on 3rd July would yield some answers :p:p:p

But Han with his article did not even touch this at all and this is one of the most critical concerns. The truth of the true extent of her influence is out there in the civil service.

Will any cabinet ministers be willing to stand up and address that since the "whip will be lifted" - in particular as they helm the very institutions and are appointed leaders of the civil servants that are affected by the alleged interference?

 

[scroobal]

The author has no idea what is going on in Singapore. He probably only read the ST all his life.

Contrast with this glowing write-up from across (gloatingly posted by those who swallow the national narrative unflinchingly):

http://www.apanama.my/2017/06/a-tale-of-two-prime-ministers.html

A tale of two prime ministers

This is exactly how it should be done. This is what you do if you have nothing to hide. This is undoubtedly a man of honour with impeccable integrity. He not only apologised for the conduct of others but has also called on the entire nation and all members of the Singapore parliament, irrespective of party affiliations, to examine him. - https://youtu.be/h76nx_5gRBc

Singapore must be proud of her Prime Minister who is man enough to grab the bull by its horn and face his critics, even if the critics are just siblings.

It may be a personal issue but Lee Hsien Loong is wise enough to note that his family feud has tarnished the seat of the prime minister and the government of Singapore. Such is his respect and responsibility to the office of the Prime Minister.

His Loong's late father Mr Lee Kuan Yew would certainly be proud of his eldest son for walking in his footsteps, for standing tall with his morals intact.

Bravo Mr Prime Minister !

Meanwhile Malaysians on this side of the causeway are hoping that Hsien Loong's counterpart would take a leaf or two from his conduct as a leader, prime minister and an elected representative of the people.

In Malaysia the state of affairs are very different although Najib Razak the Prime Minister is embroiled in a far more serious scandal which is criminal in nature.

1MDB's international financial scandal and the US Department of Justice (Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative unit) investigations is now world news.

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[nayr69sg]

The author has no idea what is going on in Singapore. He probably only read the ST all his life.

There are so so so many of these people in Singapore. They far outnumber the people who are discerning and think and analyze and critique.

This will not change until Singapore collapses under mismanagement from the PAP. (and it WILL happen, matter of when). And then these same people will kpkb and curse and swear at the PAP.

It harkens back to Imperial China and its Emperors that were good then the son takes over and the rest is history and it repeats over and over again.

 

[zhihau]

But Han with his article did not even touch this at all and this is one of the most critical concerns. The truth of the true extent of her influence is out there in the civil service.

Seen how magicians perform their acts? Persuasion and manipulation at work. This Han keeps stressing the details ain't important and continues to set the parameters on what the audience should focus on. No sleight of hands, no occasional flares for distractions... Teehee...

 

[Seee3]

seems to be inching closer to my theory….

demolish the house like i said so it doesn't look like you disobeyed me.

then erect another one that looks the same…like a raffles hotel reborn.

but this was 6 years ago.

I am beginning to understand and appreciate the purpose behind your theory. The proposal by TCH to LHY now makes sense. So at the end it may have nothing to do with heritage at all, but simply put, demolishing it entirely is good for lky and keeping it is good for lhl.

 

[flatearther]

Just posted by LHY at 7.50am:
facebook.com/1902102643363169

3 days ago, we asked: Did LHL acquire the Deed of Gift in his public capacity, or in his private capacity?

We already knew the answer.

 

[aurvandil]

For those of us watching and recording the long game, this is event is one of the more important milestones. It changes nothing with regard to the narrative of Singapore's decline. The next 20 years will be painful to watch.

 

[Debonerman]

All roads lead to Rome. All present Singapore problems lead to the smelly cheebye of Ho Ching.

 

[zhihau]

The next 20 years will be painful to watch.

I sadly concur :(:(:(

 

[bobby]

The start of the end of PAP.....

 

[Goldcheekon]

Those who are involved in this shit in the cabinet needs to resign. A new PM and those untainted by this shit is the only way forward for PAP. The answer is obvious the Ching has to resign from Temasek too.

I am sure that Singapore is bigger than Loong, Ching, Teo, Lawrence, Shan, Grace, and Lucien. The disgusting insatiable greed for power has to end, otherwise this country is fucked to the core.

 

[nayr69sg]

, otherwise this country is fucked to the core.

It already is. Just go look at all the people posting messages of support. Singaporeans by and large love LHL and PAP.

Do not fool yourself to believe otherwise.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

For those of us watching and recording the long game, this is event is one of the more important milestones. It changes nothing with regard to the narrative of Singapore's decline. The next 20 years will be painful to watch.

The PAP has essentially milked the country dry. The 2016 US election allowed us to put a label on it. It's called "neoliberalism". Immigration is a cornerstone of neoliberalism. That's what the PAP has been doing for the past 20 years - using immigration to inflate the economy, asset prices, etc. That trend is obviously unsustainable. You don't need a college degree to know that.

So what is the PAP going to do after their immigration tactic runs its natural course? They have no ideas. For that matter, I don't as well. The PAP has run the country to the ground and all the economic opportunities that once existed for the younger generation have either been consumed by the GLCs or simply destroyed through attrition. High asset prices paint a rosy picture that the country is doing fine. We know its not. Wages for the lower and middle have been stagnant and will remain so. Rising asset prices and continual CPF payouts also requires a continuous supply of contributors and buyers, much like in a Ponzi scheme.

Eventually the PAP will be forced to dig into the reserves, and then print money.

The younger generation should get out while they can. Get out of this shit hole. Decades of social engineering have also engraved into our psyche negative traits like kiasuism, kiasiism, fear of failure, fear of questioning authority, lack of empathy, racism, chauvinism, and a general lack of willingness to think. Its time to go out elsewhere in the world and create a new life and imbibe a new set of values. Singaporeans are dead wood living in a dying society.

 

[yellowarse]

The PAP has essentially milked the country dry. The 2016 US election allowed us to put a label on it. It's called "neoliberalism". Immigration is a cornerstone of neoliberalism. That's what the PAP has been doing for the past 20 years - using immigration to inflate the economy, asset prices, etc. That trend is obviously unsustainable. You don't need a college degree to know that.

You're a bit late. As far back as 2010, I was already trying to educate forumers here about how Singapore was the classical model of neoliberalism - when most Singaporeans hadn't even heard of the word (one forumer even equated socialism with social activism!):

https://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?76890-Chee-SDP-and-the-letters!&p=586215#post586215

Hello, where have you been? Singapore has veered so far from its socialist roots that today it's on the far right... a classical model of neo-liberal economics.

The Thatcherite privatization of essential services, utilites and health institutions, the excessive focus on GDP growth as a measure of progress, the ardent pro-free trade, pro-free market stance, the widest Gini coefficient in the developed world coupled with the one of the lowest disposable incomes, ridiculously pegging politicians' salaries to the free market, the complete dominance of our economy by MNCs and GLCs, the pathetic dearth of local SMEs, gov't policies totally driven by the profit factor and GDP growth, one of the lowest direct taxes but highest indirect taxes in the world, 47% of GDP comes from corporate profit...

If you knew where Stiglitz stood on these matters, you'd know that you'd be insulting the Nobel Laureate for pushing Singapore as his developmental model.

But there's one key difference between Singapore and the neoliberal Anglo states: they have much less government. In this respect, the tentacles of the government reaching out to everything from land to public companies to private enterprise (to the tune of 75% of the economy) resembles a big-gov't socialist state. Except for one thing: there's no redistribution of wealth and social safety net here.

We're therefore on the opposite end of the spectrum from socialism: right-wing, neoliberal, illiberal, fascist.

 

[chucky]

It won't matter if you are rich. Just don't watch and be emotionally involved. If you are poor, prepare to suffer.

For those of us watching and recording the long game, this is event is one of the more important milestones. It changes nothing with regard to the narrative of Singapore's decline. The next 20 years will be painful to watch.

 

[PTADER]

3. The Demolition Clause first appeared in Mr Lee’s first will made on 20 August 2011 (the “First Will”).

4. Mr Lee gave instructions to remove the Demolition Clause, and it was removed, from the penultimate two wills (the “Fifth Will” and “Sixth Will”). However, it somehow found its way back into the Last Will.

5. The Demolition Clause in the Last Will is now being used by Dr Lee Wei Ling (“LWL”) and Mr Lee Hsien Yang (“LHY”) to claim that Mr Lee was firm in his wish that the house at 38 Oxley Road (the “House”) be demolished, and that he was not prepared to accept its preservation or contemplate options short of demolition. There is no basis for these claims, not least because of the deeply troubling circumstances concerning the making of the Last Will.

In view of his father's repeated and well documented wish to have the house demolished, what is more deeply troubling is when, why and the circumstances in which the demolition clause was removed from the Fifth Will, and continued to be missing from the Sixth Will.

I will be especially furious if the removal of the DC was done after First Born's and HC's visit to Papa's house where they both refused to change Papa's soiled diapers until Papa consented to removing the DC which was in the First, Second, Third and Fourth Will.

I can well imagine that First Born and his bitch wife are not beyond such wicked and dastardly acts.

I am crying as I type this, thinking of how Papa must have suffered at the hands of these two fucking ingrates.

 

[PTADER]

Just posted by LHY at 7.50am:

For those who don't quite know what the idiom "death by a thousand cuts" means, LHY's and LWL's drip-by-drip release of information is an excellent example of what it means.

 

[scroobal]

The PAP has not been running along any ideology or a certain ideology or bent for a very long while. Abstract terms tend to be a distraction when applied wrongly and tend to give a false scholarly tone rather than addressing the issues of this Government and the way they are spiralling downwards.

This government is lunging from pillar to post on nearly all issues including on the economic front. On the economics and capitalism front, there are no signs of a free market economy ( the basis of neoliberalism) but one dominated by GLCs - a mixed economy as best, a market controlled by the Govt. Any neoliberal would complain bitterly if you suggested Singapore is run along neoliberal lines. In a layman terms it is an autocracy run along dynastic lines, even totalitarian if the domination of parliament by undemocratic means are taken into consideration. It is now showing signs of being a kleptocracy and we will only know that if an independent review is done on the books.

My suggestion is not be hung up on placing labels if you do know what it means. Its essentially an autocratic govt that is faltering along many fronts.

You're a bit late. As far back as 2010, I was already trying to educate forumers here about how Singapore was the classical model of neoliberalism - when most Singaporeans hadn't even heard of the word (one forumer even equated socialism with social activism!):

https://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?76890-Chee-SDP-and-the-letters!&p=586215#post586215

Hello, where have you been? Singapore has veered so far from its socialist roots that today it's on the far right... a classical model of neo-liberal economics.

The Thatcherite privatization of essential services, utilites and health institutions, the excessive focus on GDP growth as a measure of progress, the ardent pro-free trade, pro-free market stance, the widest Gini coefficient in the developed world coupled with the one of the lowest disposable incomes, ridiculously pegging politicians' salaries to the free market, the complete dominance of our economy by MNCs and GLCs, the pathetic dearth of local SMEs, gov't policies totally driven by the profit factor and GDP growth, one of the lowest direct taxes but highest indirect taxes in the world, 47% of GDP comes from corporate profit...

If you knew where Stiglitz stood on these matters, you'd know that you'd be insulting the Nobel Laureate for pushing Singapore as his developmental model.

But there's one key difference between Singapore and the neoliberal Anglo states: they have much less government. In this respect, the tentacles of the government reaching out to everything from land to public companies to private enterprise (to the tune of 75% of the economy) resembles a big-gov't socialist state. Except for one thing: there's no redistribution of wealth and social safety net here.

We're therefore on the opposite end of the spectrum from socialism: right-wing, neoliberal, illiberal, fascist.

 

[CoffeeAhSoh]

For those who don't quite know what the idiom "death by a thousand cuts" means, LHY's and LWL's drip-by-drip release of information is an excellent example of what it means.

At one go release 100 plus posts - i like.

Just curious how she can do that on FB. ? All posts with the same Time Print.