Serious Kiev vs Moscow! Showdown! (2022)

[saynotomsm]

This shows the desperation of the cabal. Gold will destroy the western central private banks. Coincidentally, Russia just went gold standard.

 

[saynotomsm]

Reuters, London​

Reuters is the father of all fake news media. All big tech uses it as reference for news and fact checks. Yahoo, Google, Twitter and FB.
Just sharing. Don't be mad at me, ok?

 

[eatshitndie]

the humble yet underrated rpg. ukrainian police gets into the fight against russian tanks.

 

[eatshitndie]

at least 6.9 years jail if russian soldiers refuse to obey orders. thus they quit and surrender. better to be a p.o.w. than serving 6.9 years in a gulag or dying for a lost cause.

 

[tobelightlight]

This shows the desperation of the cabal. Gold will destroy the western central private banks. Coincidentally, Russia just went gold standard.

The cabal will lose. The whole galactic is stopping them. And once humanity wake up fully to their bullshit. It is the end of them.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Another point needed to be known is how many of those Russkies killed in WW2 were by the cheka and not by the krauts?

 

[eatshitndie]

mapping russian tank, armored vehicle, self-propelled howitzer losses. sexcellent mapping and identification work.

 

[eatshitndie]

russian military has just sexposed itself as a 2nd grade military power. no fight against nato. nato should find pretext to invade russia and do a regime change.

 

[sweetiepie]

Looks like fake news to me.

Wayang to the max.

 

[sweetiepie]

Wayang to the max.

Even if it's real there is nothing wrong. Even in sg protected area is subjected to this.

 

[myfoot123]

Ukraine has at least 30 fake news already i dont trust them in the sligjtest

You will be surprised the fake news may actually came from NATO or America. When you knew you can't win the war, spread lies frequently until it turned Gold. Just like PAPAYA talking about GST hike is to help the poor. Singapore main stream media has begun doing that regularly.

 

[Papsmearer]

As usual, you talking cock again like as if only you know the best. Look carefully at the damage to the vehicle. It's externally inflicted, especially on the driver's door and the engine bay. Also, a suicide bomber would have his body blown into pieces being a direct hit, but not in this case as the driver's body is still well intact. Only a bloody stupid idiot cannot see this for himself and talks cock like as if he's an expert in this field. WTF? Pui x2!

did you say something fucktard?

 

[Rogue Trader]

I don't see any white Z or V letters on those tanks so most be Ukrainian

 

[glockman]

Want to send the MIGs, just send. Why have international public debates, and go to and fro?

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Associated Press

Pentagon says Poland's jet offer for Ukraine 'not tenable'​

VANESSA GERA and ELLEN KNICKMEYER

Wed, 9 March 2022, 4:57 am·5-min read

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — The Pentagon said Tuesday that Poland's offer to give its MiG-29 fighter jets to the U.S. so they can be passed to Ukraine raises serious concerns for the NATO alliance and the plan is not “a tenable one.”

Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said in a statement that the prospect of jets departing from a U.S./NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace contested with Russia in the Ukraine war is concerning. He said it's not clear to the U.S. that there is a substantive rationale for it. The U.S., he said, will continue to talk to Poland about the matter.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP’s earlier story follows below.

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Poland said Tuesday it would give all of its MiG-29 fighter jets to the U.S., potentially advancing an arrangement that would allow the warplanes to be passed along to Ukraine's military as it confronts invading Russian forces.

The United States did not immediately confirm the deal, although Western nations have been discussing possible ways to answer Ukraine's appeal for warplanes. Any such decision would be a morale booster for Ukraine as Russian attacks on its cities deepen the humanitarian catastrophe. But it also raises the risks of a wider war.

The Pentagon had no immediate comment on Poland’s announcement, and a senior U.S. diplomat expressed surprise.

“To my knowledge, it wasn’t pre-consulted with us that they plan to get these planes to us,” said U.S. Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland, who told lawmakers she learned of the proposal as she was driving to testify about the Ukraine crisis before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

“I look forward ... to getting back to my desk and seeing how we will respond to this proposal of theirs, to get the planes to us,” Nuland said.

Ukraine has been pleading for more warplanes and Washington has been looking at a proposal under which Poland would supply Ukraine with Soviet-era fighters and in turn receive American F-16s to make up for their loss. Ukrainian pilots are trained to fly Soviet-era fighter jets.

The Polish Foreign Ministry announced in a statement that Poland was ready to deliver the jets to the U.S. Ramstein Air Base in Germany immediately and free of charge.

“At the same time, Poland requests the United States to provide us with used aircraft with corresponding operational capabilities,” it said.

The Polish government also appealed to other owners of MIG-29 jets to follow suit.

Former Soviet-bloc NATO members Bulgaria and Slovakia also still have Soviet-made fighter jets in their air forces.

The handover of Poland's 28 Soviet-made MiG-29s would signal Western resolve to do more to deter Russia. Militarily, it would be unlikely to be a game-changer. The number of aircraft is relatively small. The MiG-29s also are inferior to more sophisticated Russian aircraft and could be easy prey for Russian pilots and Russian missiles.

Russia has warned that supporting Ukraine’s air force would be seen in Moscow as participating in the conflict and open up suppliers to possible retaliation.
It would also weaken Poland's own air force at a time of heightened danger in Eastern Europe.

A transfer of the MiGs to Ukraine is fraught with complications as neither NATO nor the European Union want to be seen as directly involved in the transaction, which will significantly raise already extreme tensions with Russia. The U.S. has no plan to directly transfer the planes to Ukraine.

In order to maintain the pretense that NATO and the EU are not direct participants in the Ukraine conflict, U.S. and Polish officials have been considering a variety of options. One begins with the “donation” of Poland’s MiGs to the United States, as Poland announced on Tuesday.

Under one scenario that has been floated, Poland would deliver the fighter jets to the U.S. base in Germany, where they would be repainted and flown to a non-NATO, non-European Union country. Ukrainian pilots would then come to fly them to Ukraine, under that proposal.

No country has been publicly identified as a transit point, but Kosovo, a non-aligned country that is very friendly with the United States, has been mentioned as one of several nations that might be willing to serve as a middleman.

Poland had been asking for the U.S. to provide it with F-16 fighter jets to replace the MiGs.

F-16 production is backlogged, however, and the next recipient in line for new deliveries is Taiwan, which is facing renewed threats from China and has strong support from both parties in Congress.

In its statement, the Polish government specifically asked for “used” planes, a distinction that would allow the Biden administration to bypass congressional opposition to making Taiwan wait to receive its F-16s.

Earlier Tuesday, British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said his country would stand by Poland if it handed over the jets, noting that it could face the “direct consequence” of its decision.

“And so we would protect Poland, we’ll help them with anything that they need,” Wallace said on Sky News.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said any decision about delivering offensive weapons must be made unanimously by NATO members.

“This is why we are able to give all of our fleet of jet fighters to Ramstein, but we are not ready to make any moves on our own because ... we are not a party to this war,” he said.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that he believed the aid that Congress hopes to approve later this week for Ukraine will include loan guarantees to help NATO allies replenish their air forces after giving MiGs to Ukraine.
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Knickmeyer reported from Washington. AP writer Danica Kirka in London and AP Diplomatic Writer Matthew Lee contributed to this report.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/poland-offers-fighter-jets-us-205750664.html

 

[Papsmearer]

I don't see any white Z or V letters on those tanks so most be Ukrainian

Not all units have the letters painted on them.

 

[bonds]

KNN

You never heard ::
No
Action,
Talk
Only

????

 

[zhihau]

I don't see any white Z or V letters on those tanks so most be Ukrainian

seriously???

 

[Boliao]

Col Douglas ~ Zelensky is a puppet. @2:50 "What comes out of Ukraine is debunked as a lies within 24 to 48 hours". I will not cited other sources but tonnes of images on Twitter showing Ukraine military appearing as captured Russians begging for their lives, injured civilians with fake bandages and later found alive and well wearing Ukraine military uniform.

 

[winners]

KNN, by the time they will come to an agreement, those planes are already not needed as Russia would have already conquered the whole of Ukraine. At the end of the day, it's still a fucking useless, ball-less NATO. NATO is a curse.

Poland wants to avoid confrontation with Russia and pushed the responsibility to Germany. The US doesn't want Germany to be implicated and hence, indirectly NATO as well. So, everything now comes to a standstill. But I don't know why the fuck did Antony Blinken would even bring up this proposal at all during the past 2 days? His fucking right hand doesn't even know what the left hand is doing.

 

[Rogue Trader]

The real sequence if events is US tried to implicate Poland into supplying fighter jets to Ukraine by announcing they "would not disagree if Poland does that". Then the FM of Poland slammed everyone who claimed they would provide any help and risk getting dragged into the war.

US wants to send the NATO members into the fray while staying safe across the Atlantic ocean.

After this war I really believe the US-EU NATO partnership will be re-evaluated

Edit: typos