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Chitchat Issue of nurses wearing tudung discussed 6 months ago: Shanmugam

U are not embracing Islam. Defending Islam provoke yr arse kenna shafted...

Is ok to be mocked or insulted in this world. We are nothing compared to how our Prophet pbuh being humiliated, attacked, injured by enemy of Islam. I am just doing my part in sharing Islam when being ridiculed. I am not promoting Islam ya. Talkg about arse being shafted, i am looking forward to more of ur article on ur idol panda Xi. JiaYu waitifuck! :thumbsup:
 
why nor push to equip all toileta cubicles with spray hose instead?

form over cleaniness..?

It would be a good practice. Hygiene. Using tissue not clean enough. I seen some cheena immediately after doing his job, he simply left the toilet without even washing his hands!
 
Why the need for a full cabinet $m minister to look after muslim affairs when they only constitute 15% of population ?

About time this ministerial title to be changed to Minister For Religious Affairs.

The constitution written in 1965 should be amended to reflect that we are now out of the woods with regards to appeasing the m&ds back then.
I agree that it should be changed to Ministry of Religious Affairs.
 
Actually cina all so gullible, influenced by lgbt silliness and white left radicalism and political correctness. :cautious:

Cheena also Westerncalised!

Then

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Change yr tune... Hypocrite u. Defend Islam does u no good, embrace Islam is yr goal to sit on rightside of Mohammed...

Is ok to be mocked or insulted in this world. We are nothing compared to how our Prophet pbuh being humiliated, attacked, injured by enemy of Islam. I am just doing my part in sharing Islam when being ridiculed. I am not promoting Islam ya. Talkg about arse being shafted, i am looking forward to more of ur article on ur idol panda Xi. JiaYu waitifuck! :thumbsup:
 
Change yr tune... Hypocrite u. Defend Islam does u no good, embrace Islam is yr goal to sit on rightside of Mohammed...

I dont change tune. I am no hypocrite. I will always defend Islam cos is my way of life. Islam is my religion cos i dont wish to be burnt and rot in hell over and over and over again. Aduh! :frown:
 
U will turn into a tree in yr next life.... u are not going to hell or heaven after u mati.

U are created from dust from the ground and shall go back to dust and made into a tree.


I dont change tune. I am no hypocrite. I will always defend Islam cos is my way of life. Islam is my religion cos i dont wish to be burnt and rot in hell over and over and over again. Aduh! :frown:
 
U will turn into a tree in yr next life.... u are not going to hell or heaven after u mati.

U are created from dust from the ground and shall go back to dust and made into a tree.

Ehhh....ok. I am created fm dust. But where dust came fm? Wait.....are u on weeds now? :biggrin:
 
Stupid Muslim ask stupid question. Make Muslim are stupid...

I am asking a practical question. Are u on weeds? If u are, then i rather u finish off the whole ton of it. Then we can proceed after ur done with it.... :biggrin:
 
Closed door discussions “do not serve the interest of transparency”, are “confusing”
by kathleen
26/03/2021
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Closed door discussions “do not serve the interest of transparency”, are “confusing”


The government might allow nurses who want to wear a tudung at work to do so, said Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam on Tuesday (24 March), adding that this is pending the result of discussions with the Malays-Muslim community.
The minister said that Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong will also meet with leaders from the Muslim community to discuss the matter.
Mr Shanmugan had said that this was noted in a closed-door session with senior religious leaders and members of the Religious Rehabilitation Group (RRG) in August last year.
This revelation was made in response to a question to the Minister when he speaking to Muslim religious leaders at the Khadijah Mosque in Geylang. The question was from the RRG co-chair Ustaz Mohd Hasbi Hassan on the outcome of the government consultation.
Mr Shanmugan said about the August discussion, “I told you very frankly: We can see good reasons why nurses should be allowed to wear tudung if they choose to do so. I said this was being discussed internally. And after that, our view is, there is likely to be a change and we are also consulting with the community before we make a change.”
“When the discussions are completed, the government will announce its decision,” he added.
This remark by Mr Shanmugam comes only a few weeks after Workers’ Party MP Faisal Manap’s question on whether the government would review this particular policy was met with criticism and strong defense from the state.
In Parliament on 3 March, Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs Masagos Zulkifli responded to Mr Faisal’s question by saying that allowing tudungs “will raise a very visible religious marker that identifies every tudung-wearing female nurse or uniform officer as a Muslim,” and that it would have “significant implications.”
Mr Masagos added that a uniform is a sign of service that is rendered equally regardless of race and religion. He went on, “We don’t want patients to prefer or not prefer to be served by a Muslim nurse, nor do we want people to think that public security is being enforced by a Muslim or non-Muslim officer. This is what makes the decision difficult and sensitive.”
He went on to then say that issues of such sensitive nature necessitates “closed door discussions” and consultation with the community, and indicated that the government would not shift its position anytime soon.
Beyond that, Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office, Dr Maliki Osman, cited Islamic scholars who have advised Muslims to make the appropriate adjustments while staying true to their faith in a pluralistic society.
He said, “We must avoid situations like in other countries where issues of religious expression take centre stage and become a divisive matter and put certain groups under the spotlight.”
Now, Mr Shanmugam’s recent remarks begs the question of why Mr Faisal’s question in parliament was met with such defensiveness when the government had already been in discussions with Muslim religious leaders on the same issue in August last year?
Particular, questions are being raised on the merits of “closed door discussions” whether the people can trust that the government will be consistent with what it says in public versus behind closed doors.
Penning his thoughts on the matter, Singapore People’s Party (SPP) assistant secretary-general Ariffin Sha said on his Facebook page on Wednesday (25 Mar) that he thinks that the public outcry and furore following Mr Masagos’ earlier reply in Parliament is what “tipped the scales” in shifting the government’s position on the issue.

He wrote, “This is something that may be hard to admit to, as no Government wants to be perceived as reactionary.”
Noting his cynicism that the government’s stance had potentially shifted as early as August 2020 during a closed door discussion, Mr Ariffin said, “If that is true, it would mean that the Government’s unequivocal position in Parliament was not representative of the Government’s actual position.”
“If we cannot take the position the Government sets out in Parliament at face value, that is worrying in itself.”
He asked, “If the Government’s position did change, why not announce it in Parliament?”
Mr Ariffin went on to also slam the concept of “closed door sessions”, describing them as “obsolete” and stressing that they “do not serve the interests of transparency”.
“If you can’t defend your policy in public, I doubt you can do so behind closed doors,” he quipped.
“We have an educated populace who are more than capable of holding civil and rational discussions about race and religion. We shouldn’t be citing the Sedition Act every time someone brings up a legitimate, yet potentially sensitive, issue.”
He added, “This long overdue shift yet another example of the potency of the power of the people.”

Veteran journalist Bertha Henson also commented on the shift on her Facebook page, saying “This is the problem with such talks…u confuse people when what is said in public doesn’t gel with what is said in private.”

Another person on Facebook, Rudy Irawan Kadjairi, commented on “closed door discussions” to point out how it makes invited guests feel “entitled and privileged while giving them a sense of righteous importance.”
In a post on the same day, Mr Rudy said, “Fundamentally, it allows everyone at the discussion to feel special in addressing “a national issue”, while everyone else is kept away.”

Journalist Simon Vincent weighed in as well, asking “Doesn’t the government’s revelation that it was already reconsidering its policy of disallowing nurses to wear tudungs, after two weeks of delay and public disquiet, prove that the government’s closed-door approach to sensitive issues is not as vaunted as it would like us to believe?”
He went on to say, “Going by the government’s insistence on having closed-door discussions for sensitive issues, it seems we can never reasonably deduce the terms of debate on such issues—even from Parliament statements.
“This is disquieting, considering that Parliament should be a source of authority on government thinking.”





Simon Vincent
on Wednesday
Doesn't the government's revelation that it was already reconsidering its policy of disallowing nurses to wear tudungs, after two weeks of delay and public disquiet, prove that the government's closed-door approach to sensitive issues is not as vaunted as it would like us to believe?
I am not sure about you, but I feel like a fool. Going by the government's insistence on having closed-door discussions for sensitive issues, it seems we can never reasonably deduce the terms of debate on such issues—even from Parliament statements. This is disquieting, considering that Parliament should be a source of authority on government thinking.
Shouldn't all of us feel like fools, though?
Everyone who questioned the validity of the government's policy on the tudung, contrasting this with the allowance of crosses and turbans as religious symbols on a person.
The journalists who spent time interviewing Muslim nurses to get their much-needed perspectives on the donning of the tudung
Heck, even the people who argued for the government's policy.
None of us knew how little fidelity there was between what was said in Parliament and actual government thinking.

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Cherian George on tudung debate: Gov’t “declares it will align the system with patients who discriminate”


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Singapore—Academic Cherian George commented on Facebook on the tudung debate in Parliament that made the news last week, calling it “A missed opportunity for public education” for the Government.
The debate that Prof George was referring to occurred last week when an answer was given in Parliament to Workers’ Party (WP) Member of Parliament (MP) Faisal Manap, who had suggested that Muslim nurses wear the tudung as part of their uniform.
Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs Masagos Zulkifli said that the uniform policy in public service cannot be tilted towards any particular religious belief.
“We don’t want patients to prefer or not prefer to be served by a Muslim nurse, nor do we want people to think that public security is being enforced by a Muslim or non-Muslim officer,” he said in Parliament last Monday (March 8).

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Prof George, who writes on politics and media and teaches in the School of Communications at Hong Kong Baptist University, commented on the issue in a Facebook post on Sunday (Mar 14).
He wrote that as the ruling party, the People’s Action Party (PAP) sets the tone for Singapore’s values and national culture,
In a book of essays he had co-authored with fellow academic Donald Low last year, Prof George had written, “In a country dedicated to racial and religious equality, the state has a special responsibility to shape the appropriate norms, through the force of its example and what it says. Unfortunately, the PAP’s rigour in dealing with diversity as a law and order problem has not been matched by vigour in playing its normative role.”
He was reminded of this by the tudung debate last week.
While he says he disagrees with the ban, what concerned him the most was the “lack of headway (forgive the pun) in this debate.”
“What’s sad about the government’s statement is that, having said that it does not want patients discriminating against nurses of a particular faith, it declares it will align the system with patients who discriminate, instead of educating such patients that nurses of any faith deserve equal trust and respect.”
Prof George added that “antisocial or anti-national behaviours” should not be spoken of without clearly stating “that these behaviours are unacceptable.”
He cited the example of people who urinate in lifts, which talking about carries the risk of others copying it.
“To avoid this, responsible leaders know they must wrap such observations in clear moral condemnation (“If you do it you are scum.”), and/or accompany such talk with hard regulation and law (“Our cameras will catch you, so don’t try your luck.”)”
As for the debate about wearing the tudung, “we need to hear the government say that patients who do not trust nurses of a particular faith are wrong.
“Especially if it is not going to change its tudung policy, it should state that our nurses of any or no religion are trained to act and speak in a secular and professional manner. You may be able to tell a nurse’s religion (if not from her dress, in many cases from her name) but if that’s enough to trigger doubts in your head, that’s your problem not hers.”
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Writer Sudhir Vadaketh: Any anti-Muslim fears have essentially been validated by senior Muslim politician


'Singapore's current policy discriminatory towards tudung-wearing Muslim women'
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Singapore—Writer Sudhir Thomas Vadaketh commented on the tudung issue recently brought up in Parliament, saying in a Facebook post that anti-Muslim fears have essentially been validated by the country’s most senior Muslim politician.
Earlier this week, it made the news when an answer was given to Workers’ Party (WP) Member of Parliament (MP) Faisal Manap, who had suggested that Muslim nurses wear the tudung as part of their uniform.
Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs Masagos Zulkifli said that the uniform policy in public service cannot be tilted towards any particular religious belief.
“We don’t want patients to prefer or not prefer to be served by a Muslim nurse, nor do we want people to think that public security is being enforced by a Muslim or non-Muslim officer,” he said in Parliament on Monday (March 8).

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Furthermore, Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office Maliki Osman had joined Mr Masagos in highlighting that Singapore’s approach to dealing with sensitive issues, such as wearing the tudung or headscarf in certain professions, is to discuss them behind closed doors to avoid serious ramifications, which could impact religious harmony.
Mr Vadaketh, the author of Floating on a Malayan Breeze: Travels in Malaysia and Singapore and Hard Choices: Challenging the Singapore Consensus ( co-authored with Donald Low), took issue with Mr Masagos’ remarks in Parliament.
“Any anti-Muslim fears and prejudices in Singapore have essentially been validated by our senior-most Muslim politician,” he wrote.
Mr Vadaketh added that uniformed public servants who profess other belief systems are not subject to the same rules, including Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and even Rastafarians, if Singapore had any.
And while he acknowledged that multicultural and secular society has to balance between personal religious freedom and public expression, for him, “it seems clear that Singapore’s current policy is discriminatory towards tudung-wearing Muslim women, who are effectively barred from serving as nurses and other public uniformed professions.”
He addressed the minister in his post, writing “if we are keen to protect the Islamophobic citizen from a tudung-wearing nurse, should we also protect them from a tudung-wearing president? If the Islamophobic citizen is worried about their property being guarded by a Muslim security officer, should they also worry about Singapore’s reserves being guarded by a Muslim president?”
The writer also commented on the matter having been discussed behind closed doors and not in public, noting that not even Mr Faisal Manap, “the opposition’s Muslim MP”, had been present during the discussion.
“Never mind that, in keeping with Singapore’s GRC system, voters elected him to represent the Muslim community. The system’s design has designated Faisal as a rep for the Muslim community yet he is always painted out as a rabble rouser for highlighting the community’s issues,” wrote Mr Vadaketh.
/TISG
 
SDP’s Damanhuri Bin Abas reaches out to PM Lee to reconsider tudung policy


He posted a photo of his sister at work as a nurse in Australia, wearing the tudung
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Singapore—It seems that the tudung issue, discussed in Parliament earlier this month, has not yet died down.
Mr Damanhuri Bin Abas, a politician from the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP), has weighed in on the matter in a Facebook post, even tagging Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong “to seriously consider this view and feedback I share and relook the policy,” he wrote on Sunday (Mar 21).
In his Budget debate speech on Feb 24, Workers’ Party MP Faisal Manap suggested that Muslim nurses wear the tudung as part of their uniform.
Responding in Parliament on March 8, Minister-in-charge of Muslim Affairs Masagos Zulkifli said that the uniform policy in public service cannot be tilted towards any particular religious belief.

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“We don’t want patients to prefer or not prefer to be served by a Muslim nurse, nor do we want people to think that public security is being enforced by a Muslim or non-Muslim officer,” he said.
In his post, Mr Damanhuri wrote that “the Muslim community has left this issue unresolved for more than 50 years since independence”.
He acknowledged the reason the Government has given for disallowing the tudung, but added that he wishes the Government would make an effort to reconsider its policy.
“Even if it does not want to budge from its core reasoning, surely it must have some sympathy to bend it somewhat to cater to those who sincerely do seek employment in the health sector, amidst a dismal job market, choosing the nursing profession as their preferred option while maintaining their desire to observe Islamic attire requirements i.e., the tudung,” he wrote.
He said he believes he speaks for “the silent group of Muslim women in the nursing profession” who follow the prescribed uniform by removing their headdresses, despite this going against their beliefs.
Mr Damanhuri also wrote about his own sister, a nurse, who left Singapore and now practises nursing in Australia along with her husband, who is also a nurse.
He added a photo of his sister at work, wearing the tudung.
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“She worked as a nurse in SGH from 1992. She had to make this hard choice and painful decision after coping for many years as a nurse removing her tudung to observe the dress requirements imposed on her – a daily sacrifice for an honest income to perform her professional role as a nurse.
“She had believed and waited for many years that the policy would change but was disappointed.
“In 2003, after working for 10 years as a nurse, they left Singapore and became Australian citizens. Sadly a loss for Singapore.”
He added that he is now “personally” reaching out to PM Lee for a rethinking of Singapore’s tudung policy.
The SDP politician added, “Finally, I have decided to also explore the legal route too. At least, I know I will have exhausted all means possible here. I will seek help and advice from members of the legal fraternity whom I will be approaching to move this forward. I also humbly hope for the understanding and support from everyone in Singapore for this effort I am embarking on, regardless of race or religion.”
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My uncle say KNN lah leescuss what wearing tudung should be allowed without leebate only that whether is an acceptable or non acceptable kind KNN purelee head cloth sure OK but with king Kong type who can accept ? :rolleyes: KNN
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This episode confirms SG as a racist country. And that with one single sweeping statement the Minister has silenced the Muslims asking for hijab becuase they think they will get it. Stupid does not change does it?
 
KNN if they worry about hygiene then just enforce wearing a hospital disinfected kind lo KNN just ban the king Kong type what's the issue KNN
 
Why the need for a full cabinet $m minister to look after muslim affairs when they only constitute 15% of population ?

About time this ministerial title to be changed to Minister For Religious Affairs.

The constitution written in 1965 should be amended to reflect that we are now out of the woods with regards to appeasing the m&ds back then.
I totally disagree. Retards absolutely need a minister to look after them. The other religions not being retard are able to take care of themselves.
 
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There are more than 600,000 Malays in Singapore (Statistics Singapore, 2006), or 13.6 percent of the population, and they have inhabited the Malay Peninsula for millennia. Their presence in Singapore predates the much more recent arrival of Chinese and Indian migrants during British colonial rule. They speak an Austronesian language which is widespread throughout the peninsula, as well as parts of Sumatra, Borneo, and southern Thailand. Malay culture is closely intertwined with Islam, as the vast majority of Malays are Sunni Muslims.

Historical context
The Malays have inhabited the region for millennia, though the size of their population in what is now Singapore by 1819 is a matter of some controversy. Before the arrival of the British, most Malays had converted from Hinduism, Buddhism and animism to Islam by about the early 15th century. It is widely thought that from the mid-19th century to just after the Second World War, the Malay population of Singapore received an influx of migrants from parts of nearby Indonesia, including many from Java, Sumatra and other nearby islands, as well as from the Malay Peninsula.

Partially because they were deemed to be reliable and loyal, British authorities in Singapore actively favoured the Malay minority for employment in areas such as the police, the armed forces, and lower levels of the public service. Thus, in 1961, more than half of Singapore’s Malays depended on employment in the public sector. Independence was to signal the death throes of this preferential treatment for Malays and a gradual slide in terms of their relative economic and social position in Singaporean society, as they were to be replaced by Chinese in the police, armed forces and the public service in general to a much lower level considered less disproportionate.

Malays benefited like many others as Singapore moved towards successful modernising as one of Asia’s tiger economies of the 1970s. But the general trend after independence has also been one where this minority seemed to be destined to occupy the bottom rungs of society, a situation sometimes attributed to the obstacle created by the level of English required for high-paying professional and technical jobs when relatively few Malays knew that language well. Only 1.5 percent of university graduates were Malay in 1980, and by the late 1980s their average earnings were about 70 percent of those of the Chinese majority. A number of public policies – though not affirmative action programmes – in the 1990s sought to improve the Malays’ economic status, and have had limited success. By mid-1990, 38 percent of Malay families earned $3000 or more per month, while in 1990 there were only 23% in 1990. Overall, few Malays occupy high-level political or civil service positions, and they remain underrepresented in categories of employment such as the armed forces and the police.

Current issues
While Article 152 of the Singapore Constitution recognises the special position of Malays as the indigenous people of Singapore, as well as the government’s responsibility ‘to protect, safeguard, support, foster and promote their political, educational, religious, economic, social and cultural interests and the Malay language’, resentment at their relative weakness in employment and political terms as well as the perceived favoritism towards ethnic Chinese continue to create tensions which appear to have increased since 2001. The ban on headscarves (tudung) in public schools led to three school girls being removed from school in 2002 and to some criticism of the government’s policies towards the Malay, as well as to the fining of an opposition political figure who criticised this policy in the same year. Members of the Malay minority also point out that Sikhs are allowed to wear turbans in public schools, and that the banning of headscarves is arguably discriminatory.

There are continuing policies which seem to disadvantage and even discriminate against Malays: the ban of newspapers printed in Malaysia and the state-funded ‘State Assistance Plan’, where specially designated and funded schools – all of which teach in Mandarin and English – provide an enriched teaching and learning environment for academically gifted students. None of them teach in Malay, and almost all students attending these schools are Chinese. Some in the Malay minority see this as a government-led effort to create a Chinese political and economic elite from which they are excluded, since the State Assistance Plan in effect offers special promotion and support for the Chinese language and culture only. Malays sees in this support as a double-standard as compared to the government’s growing restrictions on private Malay religious-based primary schools which saw from 2002 an entry quota of only 400 students on new admissions being imposed. According to local press reports, in response to concern from the Malay / Muslim community regarding the fate of madrassahs (Islamic religious schools), the Government temporarily exempted madrassah students from compulsory school attendance. This means that if a madrassah does not meet minimum academic standards by 2008, its students would have to transfer either to a madrassah that does or to a national school.

There is additionally resentment that the Malay language is not as protected or promoted as is Mandarin, which benefits from a government-sponsored ‘Speak Mandarin Campaign’. This again is perceived by Malays in particular as leading to requirements of fluency in Mandarin which could be used to discriminate against them. Despite English being Singapore’s lingua franca, many businesses in the private sector appear to require some knowledge of Mandarin, with the result of excluding many non-Chinese, and Malays in particular.

The 2006 parliamentary elections saw the election of 12 Malay MPs under the governing PAP banner, a number which corresponds to the minority’s share of the population, though only one Malay sits in the Cabinet of 19 ministers. Overall, Malays remain largely underrepresented in areas such as the judiciary, where for example there are no Malays sitting on the Supreme Court.

Malays continue to be excluded Malays from certain military professions and sections, including Intelligence, the Navy, and Air Force.

Updated June 2015
 
I totally disagree. Retards absolutely need a minister to look after them. The other religions not being retard are able to take care of themselves.

Actually why is the PAP so dumb? why dont they use the constitution against the Mudslimes?

The tudung issue is due to Arabisation. so the PAP can ban it in the interest of protecting malays culture

Minorities and special position of Malays
152.—(1) It shall be the responsibility of the Government constantly to care for the interests of the racial and religious minorities in Singapore.
(2) The Government shall exercise its functions in such manner as to recognise the special position of the Malays, who are the indigenous people of Singapore, and accordingly it shall be the responsibility of the Government to protect, safeguard, support, foster and promote their political, educational, religious, economic, social and cultural interests and the Malay language.
Muslim religion
153. The Legislature shall by law make provision for regulating Muslim religious affairs and for constituting a Council to advise the President in matters relating to the Muslim religion.
 
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