Islamic Taliban: ‘Pick up the girl you want over 12 years’, any sinkie taker?

[syed putra]

You pick the God you want.

 

[whoami]

You pick the God you want.

I am asking u kotek. U chose which god? For me i already chose my God. U high ya?

 

[syed putra]

I am asking u kotek. U chose which god? For me i already chose my God. U high ya?

So seek your God for guidance. That i am sure have been stated repeatedy in the quran, no?

 

[whoami]

So seek your God for guidance. That i am sure have been stated repeatedy in the quran, no?

First u said reject the Quran. Now u said follow wats mentioned in the Quran? Shake head means Yes. Nod head means No. Now i begin to understand why u r confused with ur gods.

 

[nightsafari]

On the contrary Non Islamic countries ideology are far worst than Islamic ideology.

Christians top the list. Follow by Atheist! Proof is in the pudding.

body count
key findings and analysistable 2: 0–2008 ce
Civilization Minimum Death Toll Maximum Death Toll Median Death Toll

Antitheist 96,786,000 153,789,000 125,287,500
Buddhist 80,116,000 95,777,500 87,946,750
Christian 119,323,000 236,560,500 177,941,750
Indic 1,344,500 3,434,000 2,389,250
Islamic 21,964,000 41,923,000 31,943,500
Primal-Indigenous 34,232,000 56,890,000 45,561,000
Sinic 95,612,500 120,235,000 107,923,750

Total 449,378,000 708,609,000 578,993,500

Interpreting the results: Our findings show that, using the entire data set for the period 0-2008, politically and reli-giously motivated violence has cost between 449.38 mil-lion and 708.61 million lives. The Christian civilization’s share of this is the largest with between 119.32 million and 236.56 million victims (median 177.94 million). In second place is the Antitheist civilization which has contributed with a median figure of 125.29 million deaths. The Sinic civilization is third with 107.92 million deaths (median). Fourth is the Buddhist civilization with ca. 87.95 million deaths. Fifth is the Primal-Indigenous civilization with 45.56 million deaths. Sixth is the Islamic civilization with 31.94 million deaths. Finally, seventh and last, is the Indic
civilization with just under 2.39 million deaths.

https://rissc.jo/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Body_Count-EN.pdf

exactly right. you think I don't know this? Long ago I told you already that I am hopping mad when Bush invaded ME because of Christian scripture. so I point out again if you can criticize Christianity why is Islam suddenly criticism free? Special rules? If Muslims start doing something because of their scripture they cannot be criticized? You want to become hypocrite is it?

They are all the same to me. Same beliefs from the same root, same structure. Judaism. It's like saying your right hand is good and your left hand is bad. Utter nonsense. Both are your hands.

No one gets special treatment no matter how beautifully written your fiction is.

 

[nightsafari]

Dictatorship? They are everywhere lah. Why left out NK, Chicom, Soviet? Saddam may be bad. But, hey, now the Iraqis are regretting. Now they realised there are more Saddams in Iraq. As i have mentioned the leader or the faithful may be bad. But why blame Islam? Islam teaches the leader to be fair to all subjects. Follow the Quran and Prophet, pbuh, sunnah.

Yes. Wat so surprising? We can converse with Jinn. But not me. I have not reach tat level. Tats why i want u to witness the power of Shaytan. In the open. I can even suggest to Pak to get the jinn to possess u. But u tiam tiam. Scare?

I've made it a point before to you. All ruled by Jewish ideology. I keep repeating myself and you always never address the points. The countries you mention all can become dictatorships because they used Jewish-based ideology to control people. All of them. Islam is no different. It is you who keeps moving the goalposts. My message has always been the same. It's all on record here in the forum.

I think you are extremely biased and can't or don't want to see the truth and keep changing the subject and the target. That's your choice, but you cannot deny the truth out there. If you want to give special criticism-free privileges to your chosen religion that's up to you, but that will make you a hypocrite.

I am ready to answer to god/allah/whoever is my maker or whatever. I'm not perfect and I know I have done wrong things, but I don't think I can be so brave if I keep avoiding the truth. I hope you can be fair to yourself.

 

[nightsafari]

I am asking u kotek. U chose which god? For me i already chose my God. U high ya?

really funny lah...

@syed putra.

You really should be less wishy washy in your answers. It really gives the impression that you are making it up as you go along.

 

[whoami]

exactly right. you think I don't know this? Long ago I told you already that I am hopping mad when Bush invaded ME because of Christian scripture. so I point out again if you can criticize Christianity why is Islam suddenly criticism free? Special rules? If Muslims start doing something because of their scripture they cannot be criticized? You want to become hypocrite is it?

They are all the same to me. Same beliefs from the same root, same structure. Judaism. It's like saying your right hand is good and your left hand is bad. Utter nonsense. Both are your hands.

No one gets special treatment no matter how beautifully written your fiction is.

I notice u like to tee seow. 24/7 mocking and criticising Islam is an everyday affair here. Go check out those threads. But u will not see any threads mocking xtianity. And did i kpkb 24/7 and criticise them? Hello, think before u shoot. Is only u and i cos we are engage in this discussion. I remember u mentioned many times u respect my belief and wish me well. But now u join the band wagon and started mocking Islam too. But its ok. U have the right to criticise. And in case u alway tee seow, i did mention many many times no one is perfect. Not even Muslims. Of course there are hypocrites everywhere. But the Quran and God's word is perfect. Muslims will abide by the teachings of the Quran. Likewise u can also abide by ur own teaching. Hey, u can also walk naked. Rem, u told us its ok? No need to have herd mentality. U can start the ball rolling lah.

Ehhh....did i say Islam have special treatment? U criticse so much on the Quran but i hardly find u quoting any verse from the Quran deem to be imperfect in ur eye. Ur only reason is aaaaa...all scripture are the same. All are Jews belief. Even dictator also Jews belief! What? Ur reply so shallow. U see if i have problems with the ible i will quote their books when discuss with xtians. Likewise u keep bragging Quran is tis and tat, nonsense lah, written by human lah, God must personally speak to 7.9 billion people then u believe teres is God? Wah low ehh....this type of reply i sian leow. Dont sound intellectual discussion to me.

 

[whoami]

I've made it a point before to you. All ruled by Jewish ideology. I keep repeating myself and you always never address the points. The countries you mention all can become dictatorships because they used Jewish-based ideology to control people. All of them. Islam is no different. It is you who keeps moving the goalposts. My message has always been the same. It's all on record here in the forum.

I think you are extremely biased and can't or don't want to see the truth and keep changing the subject and the target. That's your choice, but you cannot deny the truth out there. If you want to give special criticism-free privileges to your chosen religion that's up to you, but that will make you a hypocrite.

I am ready to answer to god/allah/whoever is my maker or whatever. I'm not perfect and I know I have done wrong things, but I don't think I can be so brave if I keep avoiding the truth. I hope you can be fair to yourself.

Haha....today another new thing i learnt from u. Even dictator used Jewish based ideology. See when u keep blaming religion on world violence, i quote Atheist too. Then u twist and turn and said cos they also follow Jewish ideology. Islam too. Is all the same. So Atheist and religion practice are Jewish based ideology. So who are the rest?

Nope, no compulsion in religion. U are attacking my belief. U have the right. So i too have the right to defend my religion. But i guess all ur post are all base on ur own hypothetical theory. Imagin asking god to speak to 7.9 billion to proof that HE is God? Ahem....are u ok, bro?

The truth is there. The Quran. But due to ur arrogant, u reject Allah's s.w.t. words completely. U are already so brave to avoid the truth i.e. Quran. Everyone will be judged. Even me. U know teres a religion called Islam. U also know tat when teres azan call it means Allah s.w.t is calling HIS faithful to reach for success by joining the congregation prayers and worship HIM. But u turn a deaf ear, mocked the religion of Allah s.w.t., complained noisy. Come judgement day, u cant deny wat u had just said. All ur words and deeds are being recorded by two angels sitting on ur two shoulders. Ya...u can carry on laughing. Go ahead and said all these are fairy tales. Allah (God) appoints two angels to serve as "Kiraman Katibin" (honorable recorders or noble writers) for each person on Earth during his or her lifetime.

"And indeed, [appointed] over you are keepers, noble and recording; they know whatever you do" [Q 82: 10-12).

So when the Angel of Death come snatching ur soul away, it would be too late to repent. After which u will be also be questioned in ur grave.

"The dead person is put into the grave. If he is a good person, he is placed in the grave without anxiety or fear. Then, he is asked; "What was your religion?". He answers; "I was in the religion of Islam". Then, he is asked; "Who is that man (the Messenger of Allah (pbuh)?". He says; "He is Muhammad (pbuh), the Messenger of Allah. He brought us obvious verses from Allah; and we approved him. Then they ask him;Have you seen Allah? He says: "Nobody is worthy of seeing Allah." After those questions and answers, a window on the side of the fire is opened. When the dead person looks at it, he sees that the flames of the fire try to beat one another. Then, he is told; "Look at the fire that Allah protected you from. Then a window on the side of Paradise is opened. This time, he looks at the ornaments and bounties of Paradise. He is told; "That place is your position; then, he is told; "You were on a sincere belief, you died on that sound belief and inshaallah (God willing) you will be revived on that belief." (Ibn Majah, Zuhd, 32).

 

[whoami]

really funny lah...

@syed putra.

You really should be less wishy washy in your answers. It really gives the impression that you are making it up as you go along.

Syed also no diff fm u. Most of ur post related to the rejection of the Quran is base on ur own hypothetical theory which i had already pointed out to u are nothing but flaws on ur part. Some of it sound so ridiculous. I feel like just stop discussing with u. Imagine....asking God to talk to every human beings to prove that HE is God. At least dig out some verses fm the Quran and prove to me its flaws lah. See, even Syed also believe there is God. Told us to believe the God mentioned in the Quran.

 

[syed putra]

Syed also no diff fm u. Most of ur post related to the rejection of the Quran is base on ur own hypothetical theory which i had already pointed out to u are nothing but flaws on ur part. Some of it sound so ridiculous. I feel like just stop discussing with u. Imagine....asking God to talk to every human beings to prove that HE is God. At least dig out some verses fm the Quran and prove to me its flaws lah. See, even Syed also believe there is God. Told us to believe the God mentioned in the Quran.

There is a good reason why mohamed did not put the quran in print.as its not necessary.

 

[whoami]

There is a good reason why mohamed did not put the quran in print.as its not necessary.

It was never in hard copy in the first place. It was verbal transmission, verbatim. Till now still intact hard copy or in our head (memorised). Millions of hafiz around the world. Words of Allah s.w.t will never disappear fm the surface of the earth. As promise by Allah s.w.t. The Almighty will see to it, the preservation of HIS words. Intact past 1400 years. A living miracle indeed!

 

[nightsafari]

I notice u like to tee seow.

You funny lah you. Ok. This is very easy to answer.

I don't need to. The facts are there. You can verify yourself. You can disprove yourself. In fact, I am awaiting your direct rebuttal of these points. No need to tee seow, marah or anything. If you have any factual information I missed or proves me wrong, please tell me, I welcome it.

So I present these facts again ok? I will in fact do it in Mohammed's style of numbered points because it is easy to clarify and understand.


Islam has no contradictions :

a) Mohammed himself says he's not a prophet. Islam says he is.

b) Mohammed conveyed the word of god to his friends, uncles, nephews, son in law who related everything to Abu Bakr and Zayd who then wrote everything on his behalf. He died long before all these message from god can be conveyed. This sounds like the background to a comedy.

c) Mohammed has personally overseen a document called the Constitution of Media. Simple, straightforward that even a 5 year old without coaching can understand it. Totally clear. Befitting an illiterate man. 47 points in total. Can read for yourself here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina. Any critics of Mohammed are welcome to examine this document for yourself and then decide for yourself whether Mohammed is in any way responsible for Islam or the Koran.

d) The Koran is totally the opposite. So complicated.

e) Strange that in his entire lifetime, Mohammed saw no need to write or convey messages like this. No god says this or god says that. But he did obviously and factually convey an entire document related to responsibility and ensuring people's rights and peaceful coexistence.

f) Strange that the Koran is totally so similar to the Torah and the Bible but not Mohammed's own writings.

g) Strange that Mohammed produced the Constitution of Medina just ten years before his death which is totally different in style and content to the Koran produced after his death. I can't imagine a person changing his mind and style of thinking so much in 10 years.

h) Only after he's dead and buried and cannot say anything else conveniently do we have Mohammed's true intentions revealed(!)



2) In the presence of so many contradictions in content, tone and delivery, I will go to the only obvious proof that the only place we can see Mohammed's will is in the constitution.

3) The presence of Islamic ideas is positively correlated with conflict and mistreatment of people. It is self-evident. Please feel free to provide an example that disproves this. I would be most happy to be proven wrong.

4) Again I point you to Mohammed's constitution which demands nothing else except no conflict and proper treatment of people.

5) Points (3) and (4) are totally opposite. You can call it the difference between black and white, dark and light or even god and shaytan which you seem to be an expert on.

6) You yourself mentioned that if someone claims to be god, he is really the devil. What does that then say about people who claim to represent god? Would logic not follow that they are people who really represent the devil?

In conclusion, I cannot get over how totally opposite what Mohammed's intentions were and what the Islamists have done.

Everytime I make a point, you go wildly chucking accusations left, right and centre. You are hysterical. No need. No need to tee siao or whatever. You just go further away from the truth. Like I said, I am not here to make u unhappy. If you wish to believe that is your choice. In fact, I will say this. If you are hell-bent on Islam is perfect, let's just stop the discussion here and you can live in that illusion. A lot of people are happier living that way. Who am I to deny you that? You ask for me to check it out I did. If you want me to shut up just say so. I am only trying to deliver to you what you initially asked me to do. You asked me to look for proof of god in Islam. I've not found it in religion so I doubted that I would find it in Islam, but since you asked, I tried to do you a service. Like I said, if you want me to diam diam, ok lah. I'm happy to do so.

For me, I will choose to follow Mohammed's example. You wish to follow Islamists good for you.

oh yah, before I forget. one of the central tenets of Islam is to believe in the scriptures of ALL the prophets right? Not just Mohammed. These include but are not limited to Moses, David, Abraham(Ibrahim) and last but not least Jesus. Do you need more proof of Islam's Jewish origin?

For that matter, I'm also happy to follow Jesus's example. But I'm not going to follow Christians. And I would strive to be a mensch, but I will not pray at the wailing wall.

senang dan terus terang kan?

If you want me to shut up now, please tell me. no hard feelings ya? but this is the last time I'm going to repeat these points. penat lah...

24/7 mocking and criticising Islam is an everyday affair here.

Mocking and criticising is not the same. I don't mock. Mocking is the realm of those who don't have a point to make. I have given the points I intend to make above. Other people here it's up to them to make a choice what they wish to do.

And for heaven's sake stop switching the subject or changing the topic. I have given you my criticisms above. I welcome your criticisms to the above points.

 

[duluxe]

with respect to you. Islam is not simple.

Islam is not a simple religion but a very dangerous religion in even modern context.
The Koran encoded many verses that promote enemity between pious believers, casual believers and infidel.

“O you who believe, the idolaters only are unclean….” (Quran 9:28)

In most muslim majority countries, other religions are treated with contempt and unfairly by state laws which are high influenced by islamic laws.


These faults with Islam will be hard to eradicate because believers believe Koran and Islam are perfect, so can't go wrong.

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/ba...at-least-150-hindu-homes.311496/#post-3492247

 

[nightsafari]

Islam is not a simple religion but a very dangerous religion in even modern context.
The Koran encoded many verses that promote enemity between pious believers, casual believers and infidel.

“O you who believe, the idolaters only are unclean….” (Quran 9:28)

In most muslim majority countries, other religions are treated with contempt and unfairly by state laws which are high influenced by islamic laws.


These faults with Islam will be hard to eradicate because believers believe Koran and Islam are perfect, so can't go wrong.

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/ba...at-least-150-hindu-homes.311496/#post-3492247

and anyone who doesn't agree automatically become unclean. No surprise always fighting each other and everybody not in their inner group.

The key word you mentioned is believer. If they believe they must have a reason for doing so. I cannot understand why people want to believe in fiction like it's the most important thing in their lives. Maybe if you understand why they believe such things you can come closer to solving the problem. Not just Islam, but also other things like Tesla, anti-Trump, anti-Biden etc etc.

 

[syed putra]

and anyone who doesn't agree automatically become unclean. No surprise always fighting each other and everybody not in their inner group.

The key word you mentioned is believer. If they believe they must have a reason for doing so. I cannot understand why people want to believe in fiction like it's the most important thing in their lives. Maybe if you understand why they believe such things you can come closer to solving the problem. Not just Islam, but also other things like Tesla, anti-Trump, anti-Biden etc etc.

Problem is, they believe in the quran more than they believe in God.

 

[duluxe]

and anyone who doesn't agree automatically become unclean. No surprise always fighting each other and everybody not in their inner group.

The key word you mentioned is believer. If they believe they must have a reason for doing so. I cannot understand why people want to believe in fiction like it's the most important thing in their lives. Maybe if you understand why they believe such things you can come closer to solving the problem. Not just Islam, but also other things like Tesla, anti-Trump, anti-Biden etc etc.

Believe+ practice. They believe Islam is the true cos the Koran is claimed uncorrupted. They can criticise Islam and the bad deeds of fellow believers. They have to put their believe into practice. Till today even with internet translation, the koran is communicated in arabic languge.

 

[whoami]

You funny lah you. Ok. This is very easy to answer.

I don't need to. The facts are there. You can verify yourself. You can disprove yourself. In fact, I am awaiting your direct rebuttal of these points. No need to tee seow, marah or anything. If you have any factual information I missed or proves me wrong, please tell me, I welcome it.

So I present these facts again ok? I will in fact do it in Mohammed's style of numbered points because it is easy to clarify and understand.


Islam has no contradictions :

a) Mohammed himself says he's not a prophet. Islam says he is.

b) Mohammed conveyed the word of god to his friends, uncles, nephews, son in law who related everything to Abu Bakr and Zayd who then wrote everything on his behalf. He died long before all these message from god can be conveyed. This sounds like the background to a comedy.

c) Mohammed has personally overseen a document called the Constitution of Media. Simple, straightforward that even a 5 year old without coaching can understand it. Totally clear. Befitting an illiterate man. 47 points in total. Can read for yourself here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina. Any critics of Mohammed are welcome to examine this document for yourself and then decide for yourself whether Mohammed is in any way responsible for Islam or the Koran.

d) The Koran is totally the opposite. So complicated.

e) Strange that in his entire lifetime, Mohammed saw no need to write or convey messages like this. No god says this or god says that. But he did obviously and factually convey an entire document related to responsibility and ensuring people's rights and peaceful coexistence.

f) Strange that the Koran is totally so similar to the Torah and the Bible but not Mohammed's own writings.

g) Strange that Mohammed produced the Constitution of Medina just ten years before his death which is totally different in style and content to the Koran produced after his death. I can't imagine a person changing his mind and style of thinking so much in 10 years.

h) Only after he's dead and buried and cannot say anything else conveniently do we have Mohammed's true intentions revealed(!)



2) In the presence of so many contradictions in content, tone and delivery, I will go to the only obvious proof that the only place we can see Mohammed's will is in the constitution.

3) The presence of Islamic ideas is positively correlated with conflict and mistreatment of people. It is self-evident. Please feel free to provide an example that disproves this. I would be most happy to be proven wrong.

4) Again I point you to Mohammed's constitution which demands nothing else except no conflict and proper treatment of people.

5) Points (3) and (4) are totally opposite. You can call it the difference between black and white, dark and light or even god and shaytan which you seem to be an expert on.

6) You yourself mentioned that if someone claims to be god, he is really the devil. What does that then say about people who claim to represent god? Would logic not follow that they are people who really represent the devil?

In conclusion, I cannot get over how totally opposite what Mohammed's intentions were and what the Islamists have done.

Everytime I make a point, you go wildly chucking accusations left, right and centre. You are hysterical. No need. No need to tee siao or whatever. You just go further away from the truth. Like I said, I am not here to make u unhappy. If you wish to believe that is your choice. In fact, I will say this. If you are hell-bent on Islam is perfect, let's just stop the discussion here and you can live in that illusion. A lot of people are happier living that way. Who am I to deny you that? You ask for me to check it out I did. If you want me to shut up just say so. I am only trying to deliver to you what you initially asked me to do. You asked me to look for proof of god in Islam. I've not found it in religion so I doubted that I would find it in Islam, but since you asked, I tried to do you a service. Like I said, if you want me to diam diam, ok lah. I'm happy to do so.

For me, I will choose to follow Mohammed's example. You wish to follow Islamists good for you.

oh yah, before I forget. one of the central tenets of Islam is to believe in the scriptures of ALL the prophets right? Not just Mohammed. These include but are not limited to Moses, David, Abraham(Ibrahim) and last but not least Jesus. Do you need more proof of Islam's Jewish origin?

For that matter, I'm also happy to follow Jesus's example. But I'm not going to follow Christians. And I would strive to be a mensch, but I will not pray at the wailing wall.

senang dan terus terang kan?

If you want me to shut up now, please tell me. no hard feelings ya? but this is the last time I'm going to repeat these points. penat lah...


Mocking and criticising is not the same. I don't mock. Mocking is the realm of those who don't have a point to make. I have given the points I intend to make above. Other people here it's up to them to make a choice what they wish to do.

And for heaven's sake stop switching the subject or changing the topic. I have given you my criticisms above. I welcome your criticisms to the above points.

Please refer to my post #108. I already told u if u have problems with the Quran, then quote me verses. Then we can discuss further. But up to date u have quoted none at all. U said Prophet, pbuh, never mentioned hes a Prophet? But i quoted from the Quran that Muhammad, pbuh, was a Prophet. If u disagree then u should quote me verses from the Quran to rebute my post. But none from u yet.

U said Quran is not the words of Allah swt but written by humans. If theres truely God, then HE should speak to every individual i.e. 7.75 billion people worldwide. I already told u the revelation is by verbatim. Not hardcopy. But since Islam need to be spread to other non believers, it deems fit to be written in hardcopy for the convenience of new converts. I even gave ur link, evidence, the Hadiths, chain of naration all which could be traced to the time of the Prophet s.a.w. All these u tiam tiam. Instead of quoting from the Quran, u posted the Constitution of Medina. OK. i accept the authenticity of that letter. But tats not our discussion. Prove to me the Quran is fake? Yes, verses from the Quran. When i discuss with xtians, i quote fm their scripture. I dont suka suka come out with my own hypothetical theory.

I dont switch subject. Ur the one. Fm day one u been saying the Quran is not the words of God. Muhammad did not say hes a Prophet, pbuh. Then prove it to me. Which verses u think is fake.

 

[syed putra]

Please refer to my post #108. I already told u if u have problems with the Quran, then quote me verses. Then we can discuss further. But up to date u have quoted none at all. U said Prophet, pbuh, never mentioned hes a Prophet? But i quoted from the Quran that Muhammad, pbuh, was a Prophet. If u disagree then u should quote me verses from the Quran to rebute my post. But none from u yet.

U said Quran is not the words of Allah swt but written by humans. If theres truely God, then HE should speak to every individual i.e. 7.75 billion people worldwide. I already told u the revelation is by verbatim. Not hardcopy. But since Islam need to be spread to other non believers, it deems fit to be written in hardcopy for the convenience of new converts. I even gave ur link, evidence, the Hadiths, chain of naration all which could be traced to the time of the Prophet s.a.w. All these u tiam tiam. Instead of quoting from the Quran, u posted the Constitution of Medina. OK. i accept the authenticity of that letter. But tats not our discussion. Prove to me the Quran is fake? Yes, verses from the Quran. When i discuss with xtians, i quote fm their scripture. I dont suka suka come out with my own hypothetical theory.

I dont switch subject. Ur the one. Fm day one u been saying the Quran is not the words of God. Muhammad did not say hes a Prophet, pbuh. Then prove it to me. Which verses u think is fake.

Most people are already beyond tbe holy books and use their god given rational thoughts instead, like the early arabs out of Arabia after mohamed.

 

[nightsafari]

Believe+ practice. They believe Islam is the true cos the Koran is claimed uncorrupted. They can criticise Islam and the bad deeds of fellow believers. They have to put their believe into practice. Till today even with internet translation, the koran is communicated in arabic languge.

if that were true, there would be only 1 version. not even shia and sunni.