is Chee Soon Juan from PAP?

[shunquan]

Re: Goh Meng Seng has made a mistake in this thread

mongrel? not moles, doggies and all the degrading terms sdp extremists are good at.

i notice u also received as many infractions like me for speaking against SDP. and they suppose to be upholders of free speeches. definitely say much about their hypocrisy.

They pretend to be anti-PAP and pro-opposition but anyone who is anti-SDP gets it whichever side you are on.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Re: Goh Meng Seng has made a mistake in this thread

Yes, internal strife benefits no one, which is why we should all avoid being seen as contributing or worsening it. I feel if there's nothing good to say, best is don't say anything.

Another issue is : dui shi bu dui ren. As in, just focus on the issue, not the personality. That's something Mr & Mrs Chiam have both failed.

It is a lesson for all of us to learn. Internal strife will benefit NO ONE. Never mind who is right or wrong, in the voters' eyes, all are wrong.

I have learned, in later part of my life, what actually went wrong back then. But frankly speaking, its all over. If you read carefully, I didn't even bother to pin point who is at fault. Shit just happens to the most promising opposition party and very unfortunately, CSJ took over the leadership and it fell in his hands. May not be entirely his fault but he is just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[shunquan]

Re: Goh Meng Seng has made a mistake in this thread

Yes, internal strife benefits no one, which is why we should all avoid being seen as contributing or worsening it. I feel if there's nothing good to say, best is don't say anything.

Another issue is : dui shi bu dui ren. As in, just focus on the issue, not the personality. That's something Mr & Mrs Chiam have both failed.

Make a guess. Was what the Chiams did it a vote winner or a vote loser? What are the roles of politicians? To win votes or to lose votes?

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Re: Goh Meng Seng has made a mistake in this thread

mongrel? not moles, doggies and all the degrading terms sdp extremists are good at.

i notice u also received as many infractions like me for speaking against SDP. and they suppose to be upholders of free speeches. definitely say much about their hypocrisy.

Appreciate if you keep your "mongrel who bit master's hand" posts in one single thread. Repeating the same bloody shit over and over again is not an opinion, it is spam.

 

[shunquan]

Re: Goh Meng Seng has made a mistake in this thread

Appreciate if you keep your "mongrel who bit master's hand" posts in one single thread. Repeating the same bloody shit over and over again is not an opinion, it is spam.

If that is spam, that anyone who posts lots of totally different messages but consistently calls PAP "FAPee" or Mr Lee Kuan Yew "Old Fart" or Mr Goh Chok Tong "Wooden" or Mr Lee Hsien Loong "Pinky" or "Ass Loon" or Mdm Ho Ching "Ho Jinx" is also spamming by the same standards.

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I am not like the NissanVIP bloke who posts exactly the same (or gist) of the message. I am posting totally different messages but whenever I need to refer to the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan, I just call him the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan.

But we all know already that the SDP led by the MONGREL who bit his masters hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan and their followers practice double standards.

 

[Subok]

Re: Goh Meng Seng has made a mistake in this thread

I have learned, in later part of my life, what actually went wrong back then. But frankly speaking, its all over. If you read carefully, I didn't even bother to pin point who is at fault. Shit just happens to the most promising opposition party and very unfortunately, CSJ took over the leadership and it fell in his hands. May not be entirely his fault but he is just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Goh Meng Seng

Well as for NSP, we can surely say Right Place, Right Time, WRONG Person = Goh Meng Seng

 

[scroobal]

The terms real opposition and liberals in a discussion in politics would be one taken in the normal sense. The implications are the rest are fake opposition etc.

Anyway, I sense that you have been been complimentary to the SDP which is quite unusual. It does not mean that you were nasty to them in the past. You certainly must be to talking to them lately on a regular basis.

I have said that the premise was from the members who joined, not mine and not necessary correct. Compliment? Maybe, but I am critical as well. Surely you don't think I am complimenting PAP too? And surely when I say WP is credible I mean the rest are not?

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[scroobal]

Ok, I see your point.

Agree largely with what you've said in the post. For this I will lean away further from you. I think the Lee vs Chee court debate was a draw to me - perhaps because I already know what both sides would produce. For PAP supporters, none were won over to the opposition and needless to say vice versa. Fence sitters hardly cared since, as you said, these were not b&b issues. No one was made a fool of, and those who thought the Lees were fools already thought so even without this court case.

 

[scroobal]

The term confrontational is actually a nice way to say that he is serious, aggressive but on the wrong issues and he did not address the voters or other issues. Its like wearing summer clothes in winter. He is as clothed as he is confrontational. Wrong clothes and confronting on the wrong issues.

Burmese drug lords have no impact on a housewife from Tampines or a Medical Doctor in a clinic in Boon Lay. Get the picture.

The rest of opposition have not raised the Burmese Drug Lord issue not because they love drugs or they do not want to embarrass the govt. The intention is to get votes. You don't not go to MacDonalds and ask the guy for Kway Teow.

Did you know that Harbans Singh contested the Anson By elections when JBJ won but no one can remember him. You know why, he spent his time trying to spar with old man and did not care about the voters. No one can remember what he fought for. All I can remember is that his secretary that he was banging was his foreign minister in his shadow cabinet.

If my history is correct, the young LKY was very confrontational when he was an opposition figure in the Singapore Legislature. And when he was a member of the M'sian Parliament between 1963 to 1965, can anyone say he was not confrontational? So being an opposition politician, is it really wrong to be confrontational?

 

[Perspective]

Anyway, I sense that you have been been complimentary to the SDP which is quite unusual. It does not mean that you were nasty to them in the past. You certainly must be to talking to them lately on a regular basis.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. The last time I spoke to an SDP member was like more than a year ago at least.

Let me say that I'm mildly practical and if asked to join a party I would not choose SDP because, whatever their altruism or righteousness they think they have, if they can only garner only 20% of the votes anywhere, they have to review their strategy or its leadership step down. However, it wasn't the case for 17 years.

Note that I expect even higher for other parties. For NSP if they get below 30% the next time, same thing. If WP or RP fails to nab a GRC, same thing.

 

[Subok]

Unfortunately, you are wrong. The last time I spoke to an SDP member was like more than a year ago at least.

Let me say that I'm mildly practical and if asked to join a party I would not choose SDP because, whatever their altruism or righteousness they think they have, if they can only garner only 20% of the votes anywhere, they have to review their strategy or its leadership step down. However, it wasn't the case for 17 years.

Note that I expect even higher for other parties. For NSP if they get below 30% the next time, same thing. If WP or RP fails to nab a GRC, same thing.

can appreciate your POV. at least you are very honest. and I hope the party you eventually support will topple the current leadership nevertheless

 

[scroobal]

Not suggesting that you are joining the party as you are smarter than that. More like you are chatting with them on a more friendly basis. The use of "real oppositon" is a case in point. You are the first opposition figure that has used that term for them or even suggested something as close as that.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. The last time I spoke to an SDP member was like more than a year ago at least.

Note that I expect even higher for other parties. For NSP if they get below 30% the next time, same thing. If WP or RP fails to nab a GRC, same thing.

 

[Perspective]

You are the first opposition figure that has used that term for them or even suggested something as close as that.

Opposition "figure" bu gan dang, but POV (persistent opposition voter) that I am. I thought this term was used by SDP affiliates in this forum for a very long time (some still do in 3in1). I was merely copying them as I felt they were drawn towards SDP for this very portrayal created.

 

[shunquan]

Not suggesting that you are joining the party as you are smarter than that. More like you are chatting with them on a more friendly basis. The use of "real oppositon" is a case in point. You are the first opposition figure that has used that term for them or even suggested something as close as that.

With all due respect, the are not the opposition. By definition, His Excellency's Loyal Opposition occupy the opposition bench in Parliament to push their own manifestos. Only the WP and the SDA are part of the opposition.

The rest are just political parties who aspire to be the opposition.

 

[Perspective]

can appreciate your POV. at least you are very honest. and I hope the party you eventually support will topple the current leadership nevertheless

Thank you but you can cut GMS some slack. If you compare him or anyone to the arrogant KJ of RP, you get better. Through many years this is the first time I see a party leader behave like a Pri Sch kid - KJ I mean.

I support all opposition parties in the sense that I will vote all of them, but won't join any of them as their quality is wanting. However, as a voter, quality is not what I rate the opposition because of the factors in Singapore. I'm against dominance, that's it.

I also think it's good to be watchful of quality but don't overpursue it. You can't get what the PAP can get.

Take an example of a party overpursuing quality to its own chagrin - WP. From the biggest opposition party in 2006 to the smallest opposition party today in just 4 years is quite an amazing feat considering everything went right for them in 2006. And excluding the sickly Chiam, they are the only opposition in Parliament. Why? Because some knew they can't pass WP's scrutiny and others (among them good ones) didn't even bother to try because time is short. Even then those WP selected aren't better because your pool becomes so small, you take whoever is there and joined earlier. Plus a safe approach so safe you become forgotten. Smack in the face.

As an opposition, you have to be realistic - the only people you will get are the people who are willing to come forward. Forget the recruitment drives, quality selection etc. - they're not easy to find because they're so few. So give GMS slack.

 

[Hawkeye1819]

Thank you but you can cut GMS some slack. If you compare him or anyone to the arrogant KJ of RP, you get better. Through many years this is the first time I see a party leader behave like a Pri Sch kid - KJ I mean.

I support all opposition parties in the sense that I will vote all of them, but won't join any of them as their quality is wanting.

I will vote Goh Meng Seng, but not Kenneth Jeyaretnam of RP. This man is a total arrogant prick who does not deserve to enter parliament, even as an NCMP.

If the other parties like WP, SPP, NSP, SDP (and some newly formed parties whose names I can't recall) collectively can get at least 2 GRCs amongst them, then KJ will not get to be NCMP. That is my hope.

 

[Perspective]

I will vote Goh Meng Seng, but not Kenneth Jeyaretnam of RP. This man is a total arrogant prick who does not deserve to enter parliament, even as an NCMP.

If the other parties like WP, SPP, NSP, SDP (and some newly formed parties whose names I can't recall) collectively can get at least 2 GRCs amongst them, then KJ will not get to be NCMP. That is my hope.

I have the same view of KJ, but too bad I'm against dominance. Reason is simple - dominance makes elections redundant. In that case I'd rather people call PAP to scrap elections so that we can save the money.

As long as KJ runs in the ward against PAP and no one else, my vote is guaranteed for KJ.

My vote is one vote. It is unlikely KJ will win or lose by one vote. However, be it win or lose, PAP takes seriously every vote lost. Lower votes for PAP even if they win against KJ will send a message to everyone.

 

[cheepshootjuan]

With all due respect, the are not the opposition. By definition, His Excellency's Loyal Opposition occupy the opposition bench in Parliament to push their own manifestos. Only the WP and the SDA are part of the opposition.

The rest are just political parties who aspire to be the opposition.

political parties plagued with resentful members who have more personal resentment to settle than mindful about voters' needs and aspirations.

 

[cheepshootjuan]

Thank you but you can cut GMS some slack. If you compare him or anyone to the arrogant KJ of RP, you get better. Through many years this is the first time I see a party leader behave like a Pri Sch kid - KJ I mean.

I support all opposition parties in the sense that I will vote all of them, but won't join any of them as their quality is wanting. However, as a voter, quality is not what I rate the opposition because of the factors in Singapore. I'm against dominance, that's it.

I also think it's good to be watchful of quality but don't overpursue it. You can't get what the PAP can get.

Take an example of a party overpursuing quality to its own chagrin - WP. From the biggest opposition party in 2006 to the smallest opposition party today in just 4 years is quite an amazing feat considering everything went right for them in 2006. And excluding the sickly Chiam, they are the only opposition in Parliament. Why? Because some knew they can't pass WP's scrutiny and others (among them good ones) didn't even bother to try because time is short. Even then those WP selected aren't better because your pool becomes so small, you take whoever is there and joined earlier. Plus a safe approach so safe you become forgotten. Smack in the face.

As an opposition, you have to be realistic - the only people you will get are the people who are willing to come forward. Forget the recruitment drives, quality selection etc. - they're not easy to find because they're so few. So give GMS slack.

would rather have crazy lawyers, adulterers, cheats, liars, fraudsters, hooligans and lower mortals?

 

[Perspective]

would rather have crazy lawyers, adulterers, cheats, liars, fraudsters, hooligans and lower mortals?

Crazy lawyer - Davinder
Adulterer - Shanmugam
Cheat - Choo Wee Kiang
Liar - Wong KS
Fraudster - Tay Boon Too
Lower mortals - Charles C

All from PAP. Thanks for vindicating my choice.