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Ramping up to full speed
Published: Sunday September 27, 2015 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Sunday September 27, 2015 MYT 8:34:17 AM
BY PATRICK LEE
MALAYSIA’S high-speed rail (HSR) connecting Kuala Lumpur to Singapore is on track, with a new company known as MyHSR Corp expected to take the lead in making the project a reality.
The company’s first chief executive Mohd Nur Ismail Mohamed Kamal speaks about what he has in mind for what may be South-East Asia’s first bullet train.
Formerly with the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD, Suruhanjaya Pengangkutan Awam Darat), Mohd Nur was its chief executive since its beginning in 2010 before taking over MyHSR on Sept 1.
SPAD CEO Mohd Nur Ismail Mohamed Kamal during the press conference after flagging off the first Proton Exora 1.6 MPV taxis under the Teksi 1Malaysia scheme at the Integrated Transport Terminal, Kuala Lumpur. NORAFIFI EHSAN / The Star
Now supported by a skeleton crew and only doors away from his previous office, Mohd Nur implies that Malaysia has big dreams for not only its own HSR but also the country’s economic development as well.
Among these would be the development of HSR stations and towns within a 5km radius around them, as well as immigration counters from Malaysia and Singapore in both countries.
Read on to find out more about the upcoming 330km project, which is expected to be opened for international tender late next year.
What will your immediate and long-term duties as MyHSR Corp CEO be?
MyHSR is set up to continue SPAD’s good work in HSR planning into the tender phase and eventually into construction. MyHSR will be the project owner and developer of the project, and SPAD will remain as policymaker and regulator and continue on in active bilateral engagement with Singapore.
My immediate task is to set up the office and operations and to make sure that we have the right talent and expertise to carry out the project.
We have identified five work streams which are essential for setting up the HSR. The first is the G-to-G (government- to-government) support for SPAD in the bilateral discussions with Singapore – this is to finalise the technical, commercial and bilateral agreement.
Second is to finalise the station and the alignment. This will include performing a detailed environmental impact assessment, social impact assessment, soil investigation, and to perform land acquisition.
Third is to prepare for the tender process. This is still being finalised, and will depend on the final operating structure that will be agreed on by the Malaysian and Singaporean Governments.
Fourth is to look at socioeconomic development opportunities to maximise the benefits of having HSR services and stations along the corridor. So we’re looking at local authorities and state governments, to make sure that the economic benefits happen in a planned way which will attract investments, employment and new, high-value industries.
Fifth is engagement, a need to make sure Malaysians see the benefits from and the merit of the project, and convince them in a way that is in line with international best practices – that this is not just a transport project but also an economic development project.
What do you mean by project owner and developer?
It will be similar to MRT Corp. They are the project owner and developer for the MRT in the Klang Valley with aspects of operations separated out. Similar to that, operations can be tendered and run by other companies.
What kind of role will MyHSR have in this project?
There are a lot of factors on which we need to be on the same page with the Singaporean Government, and that is being done with the G-to-G negotiations under the joint minister’s committee (JMC). The JMC is under (Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department) Datuk Seri Abdul Wahid Omar and Johor Mentri Besar (Datuk Seri Khaled Nordin) as co-chairmen.
The JMC was first set up to facilitate the Iskandar Development. Since it already exists, we’re tagging along for HSR negotiations, which requires intense negotiations with Singapore on how we agree on certain aspects of HSR operations in the future in terms of safety, security, customs, immigration, the alignment, stations, how do we join (the alignment) together, if there’s any express or transit services, the control aspect of it, and guarding against security breaches.
The technical discussions are being led by SPAD on our side and the Transport Ministry and the Land Transport Authority on the Singapore side. All this while, SPAD has been leading the charge, so with the setting up of MyHSR Corp, we’ll be beefing up on the technical expertise of the running of railways and land acquisition development.
Something of a technical support?
For a G-to-G interface, it’s still being led by SPAD. We are taking over the support role and expertise.
Beyond that, the basis of the implementation needs to be ironed out through this bilateral agreement. The G-to-G discussions are the starting point just to get certain basics agreed upon. After that phase, that’s when we come out more in front.
Once the bilateral agreement is drawn up, then we will know each of the parts we have to follow. For instance, we know already the CIQ (Customs, Immigration and Quarantine complex) is going to be a co-location. We know that Singapore and Malaysia will have immigration counters in Kuala Lumpur, Nusajaya and Singapore.
After that you’ll just decide on the technical details?
Our full-time job is to be the project developer. This role requires us to go through the regulatory process to come up with a railway scheme, environmental and social impact assessments, to do (land acquisition) ... soil investigation. That is the role of a project deve*loper.
We will also have to look at commercial developments for our terminus in Bandar Malaysia, our stations in Ayer Keroh, Muar, Batu Pahat and Nusajaya. Besides looking at broader policy on how to develop the whole zone around the station, we are looking at specific areas inside and on top of the stations for the project development as well.
There will be some portions which will be owned by the project where we’ll have full responsibility for the development.
For a 5km radius outside the station, more thought is needed in terms of planning and regulatory support of the states’ planning aspirations in taking advantage of the HSR station’s presence.
Five kilometres? That much?
We might not develop the area ourselves, but the framework of the development (such as) what should go in where or what incentives to put in.
Because the idea of a high-speed rail is not to come up with a station, end of story.
It’s about catalysing growth and economic development. It’s about changing the economic make up of what we do now, and bringing in activities to support the (national) aspiration to become a high income country.
For example, instead of just making furniture in Muar (a primary industry there), we now have an opportunity to look at what value-added activities we can put there. Now there will be the mobility to be in Singapore or in Kuala Lumpur within, let’s say, 40 minutes, as well as local supporting transit systems which have to support the existence of HSR stations.
We will have to put in policies to encourage certain types of investments and human capital attractions to develop certain types of industries.
When I attended a seminar by the Koreans here (on their interest in the HSR), I saw their analysis of the proposed stations. They were looking at whether industries in some of these places, like Muar, could be made better.
Precisely. We’re not doing it (the HSR) in a vacuum. One of the considerations is to look at what is existing out there and what is being planned.
For example, Pagoh near Muar is being developed as an education hub. HSR stations should incorporate the education hub as well as existing industries and future plans that Johor has for Muar.
In order to get there in terms of vision, we have to ask what necessary conditions need to happen. That’s why we are looking at the socioeconomic plan as part of our role, and are persuading the Government that those conditions need to happen.
There’s no point in building an industrial park near the station with no other policies to support it. It’ll become a ghost town.... Just because you build it, doesn’t mean it’s (development) going to come.
This was explained to me when they built the Tokyo-Osaka Line (in Japan). One of the stations was the Gifu-Hashima station (see The Star’s story at tinyurI.com/oh97fdk); a lot of other stations flourished, but Gifu-Hashima is, to this day, barely developed.
We saw the same thing in other countries when little was done. Some stations are just for people to come back and sleep and nothing else happens. It’s a wasted opportunity, because you can create an attraction at each of these stops. But it has to be done with proper plans and policies in mind, you cannot leave it to chance.
Will the tender for the HSR go live in 2016?
We expect to do it in possibly two stages. We anticipate to kick off the pre-qualifications in the middle of next year. The timeline including the tender will be made known after the bilateral agreement (is ready).
And the second stage?
The actual tender is not yet set, but it will be towards the later part of next year.
Will MyHSR also decide which country will build the HSR?
The decision will be done through this international open tender, but our job is to incorporate the aspirations and needs of the commuters in the future and translate that into specifications. The technical and service level specifications will be done by us after getting input from all the stakeholders. This will be translated into the tender document.
So MyHSR won’t be the one deciding?
No. Our role is to ensure that we have the best possible value out of this project, looking not just at tender value but also the overall life-cycle cost of the system. Just because it costs less now doesn’t mean that 50 years down the road we will have to spend more money on a cheap system.
So it would be right to say MyHSR would be the resident expert on the HSR?
This is what we’re developing (laughs).
Who will MyHSR report to?
We are an agency set up under the Finance Ministry. But in terms of project delivery, conception and design, and commuting of project, that is to the government as a whole, meaning we will table either to the Economic Council or the Cabinet depending on the issue. Regulation will be under SPAD.
Do you see any legislation being drafted in relation to HSR, such as with the SPAD Act?
Right now, SPAD is in the process of amending the PAD (Pengangkutan Awam Darat, or Land Public Transport) Act, and that will include some aspects of future railways that will be built in the country.
As of now, there is no immediate plan to create an HSR Act, but in my personal view, that will be the cleanest way to do it in the future once we have the bilateral agreement in place.
It will be easier for future HSR implementations that way. So the act would not just cover the KL-SG line, but if we were ever to consider eastern or northern HSR lines, then the act would help us tremendously on how to move forward on that.
What are some of the challenges and issues that MyHSR will have to work out?
My immediate challenge is to build up Malaysia’s talent pool... There’s a clear need for expertise to look at things that are unique to HSR. With the MRT, we recruited foreign experts, so I foresee this is something I have to do as well to beef up MyHSR’s technical expertise.
On funds, affordability is also a key consideration, whether that would influence the project structure. (We are) helping the Government think through what all the implications of the alternatives on the table are right now.
Will MyHSR run the HSR when it is completed?
It all depends on the final project structure that the Government decides on. Depending on whether it will be a private initiative, public-private partnership (PPP) or completely Government-owned, MyHSR Corp may have to evolve depending on the structure the Government decides on.
If it’s going to be Government-owned, which other countries have done, and then privatised their systems later, then MyHSR Corp will continue on to (handle) construction.
If a PPP is chosen, then MyHSR Corp may be the nucleus that will be absorbed by a private consortium that wins the bid and then go on to construction. It’s going to be a long journey, so we need the continuous support and perseverance from not only Malaysians but also the Government.
Will MyHSR be doing anything else in the near future?
We will be hosting a competition for the design of our company logo which will be opened up to the public with attractive prizes for the best 20 designs. Interested readers can find more info at myhsr.com.my.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/09/27/Ramping-up-to-full-speed/
Published: Sunday September 27, 2015 MYT 12:00:00 AM
Updated: Sunday September 27, 2015 MYT 8:34:17 AM
BY PATRICK LEE
MALAYSIA’S high-speed rail (HSR) connecting Kuala Lumpur to Singapore is on track, with a new company known as MyHSR Corp expected to take the lead in making the project a reality.
The company’s first chief executive Mohd Nur Ismail Mohamed Kamal speaks about what he has in mind for what may be South-East Asia’s first bullet train.
Formerly with the Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD, Suruhanjaya Pengangkutan Awam Darat), Mohd Nur was its chief executive since its beginning in 2010 before taking over MyHSR on Sept 1.
SPAD CEO Mohd Nur Ismail Mohamed Kamal during the press conference after flagging off the first Proton Exora 1.6 MPV taxis under the Teksi 1Malaysia scheme at the Integrated Transport Terminal, Kuala Lumpur. NORAFIFI EHSAN / The Star
Now supported by a skeleton crew and only doors away from his previous office, Mohd Nur implies that Malaysia has big dreams for not only its own HSR but also the country’s economic development as well.
Among these would be the development of HSR stations and towns within a 5km radius around them, as well as immigration counters from Malaysia and Singapore in both countries.
Read on to find out more about the upcoming 330km project, which is expected to be opened for international tender late next year.
What will your immediate and long-term duties as MyHSR Corp CEO be?
MyHSR is set up to continue SPAD’s good work in HSR planning into the tender phase and eventually into construction. MyHSR will be the project owner and developer of the project, and SPAD will remain as policymaker and regulator and continue on in active bilateral engagement with Singapore.
My immediate task is to set up the office and operations and to make sure that we have the right talent and expertise to carry out the project.
We have identified five work streams which are essential for setting up the HSR. The first is the G-to-G (government- to-government) support for SPAD in the bilateral discussions with Singapore – this is to finalise the technical, commercial and bilateral agreement.
Second is to finalise the station and the alignment. This will include performing a detailed environmental impact assessment, social impact assessment, soil investigation, and to perform land acquisition.
Third is to prepare for the tender process. This is still being finalised, and will depend on the final operating structure that will be agreed on by the Malaysian and Singaporean Governments.
Fourth is to look at socioeconomic development opportunities to maximise the benefits of having HSR services and stations along the corridor. So we’re looking at local authorities and state governments, to make sure that the economic benefits happen in a planned way which will attract investments, employment and new, high-value industries.
Fifth is engagement, a need to make sure Malaysians see the benefits from and the merit of the project, and convince them in a way that is in line with international best practices – that this is not just a transport project but also an economic development project.
What do you mean by project owner and developer?
It will be similar to MRT Corp. They are the project owner and developer for the MRT in the Klang Valley with aspects of operations separated out. Similar to that, operations can be tendered and run by other companies.
What kind of role will MyHSR have in this project?
There are a lot of factors on which we need to be on the same page with the Singaporean Government, and that is being done with the G-to-G negotiations under the joint minister’s committee (JMC). The JMC is under (Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department) Datuk Seri Abdul Wahid Omar and Johor Mentri Besar (Datuk Seri Khaled Nordin) as co-chairmen.
The JMC was first set up to facilitate the Iskandar Development. Since it already exists, we’re tagging along for HSR negotiations, which requires intense negotiations with Singapore on how we agree on certain aspects of HSR operations in the future in terms of safety, security, customs, immigration, the alignment, stations, how do we join (the alignment) together, if there’s any express or transit services, the control aspect of it, and guarding against security breaches.
The technical discussions are being led by SPAD on our side and the Transport Ministry and the Land Transport Authority on the Singapore side. All this while, SPAD has been leading the charge, so with the setting up of MyHSR Corp, we’ll be beefing up on the technical expertise of the running of railways and land acquisition development.
Something of a technical support?
For a G-to-G interface, it’s still being led by SPAD. We are taking over the support role and expertise.
Beyond that, the basis of the implementation needs to be ironed out through this bilateral agreement. The G-to-G discussions are the starting point just to get certain basics agreed upon. After that phase, that’s when we come out more in front.
Once the bilateral agreement is drawn up, then we will know each of the parts we have to follow. For instance, we know already the CIQ (Customs, Immigration and Quarantine complex) is going to be a co-location. We know that Singapore and Malaysia will have immigration counters in Kuala Lumpur, Nusajaya and Singapore.
After that you’ll just decide on the technical details?
Our full-time job is to be the project developer. This role requires us to go through the regulatory process to come up with a railway scheme, environmental and social impact assessments, to do (land acquisition) ... soil investigation. That is the role of a project deve*loper.
We will also have to look at commercial developments for our terminus in Bandar Malaysia, our stations in Ayer Keroh, Muar, Batu Pahat and Nusajaya. Besides looking at broader policy on how to develop the whole zone around the station, we are looking at specific areas inside and on top of the stations for the project development as well.
There will be some portions which will be owned by the project where we’ll have full responsibility for the development.
For a 5km radius outside the station, more thought is needed in terms of planning and regulatory support of the states’ planning aspirations in taking advantage of the HSR station’s presence.
Five kilometres? That much?
We might not develop the area ourselves, but the framework of the development (such as) what should go in where or what incentives to put in.
Because the idea of a high-speed rail is not to come up with a station, end of story.
It’s about catalysing growth and economic development. It’s about changing the economic make up of what we do now, and bringing in activities to support the (national) aspiration to become a high income country.
For example, instead of just making furniture in Muar (a primary industry there), we now have an opportunity to look at what value-added activities we can put there. Now there will be the mobility to be in Singapore or in Kuala Lumpur within, let’s say, 40 minutes, as well as local supporting transit systems which have to support the existence of HSR stations.
We will have to put in policies to encourage certain types of investments and human capital attractions to develop certain types of industries.
When I attended a seminar by the Koreans here (on their interest in the HSR), I saw their analysis of the proposed stations. They were looking at whether industries in some of these places, like Muar, could be made better.
Precisely. We’re not doing it (the HSR) in a vacuum. One of the considerations is to look at what is existing out there and what is being planned.
For example, Pagoh near Muar is being developed as an education hub. HSR stations should incorporate the education hub as well as existing industries and future plans that Johor has for Muar.
In order to get there in terms of vision, we have to ask what necessary conditions need to happen. That’s why we are looking at the socioeconomic plan as part of our role, and are persuading the Government that those conditions need to happen.
There’s no point in building an industrial park near the station with no other policies to support it. It’ll become a ghost town.... Just because you build it, doesn’t mean it’s (development) going to come.
This was explained to me when they built the Tokyo-Osaka Line (in Japan). One of the stations was the Gifu-Hashima station (see The Star’s story at tinyurI.com/oh97fdk); a lot of other stations flourished, but Gifu-Hashima is, to this day, barely developed.
We saw the same thing in other countries when little was done. Some stations are just for people to come back and sleep and nothing else happens. It’s a wasted opportunity, because you can create an attraction at each of these stops. But it has to be done with proper plans and policies in mind, you cannot leave it to chance.
Will the tender for the HSR go live in 2016?
We expect to do it in possibly two stages. We anticipate to kick off the pre-qualifications in the middle of next year. The timeline including the tender will be made known after the bilateral agreement (is ready).
And the second stage?
The actual tender is not yet set, but it will be towards the later part of next year.
Will MyHSR also decide which country will build the HSR?
The decision will be done through this international open tender, but our job is to incorporate the aspirations and needs of the commuters in the future and translate that into specifications. The technical and service level specifications will be done by us after getting input from all the stakeholders. This will be translated into the tender document.
So MyHSR won’t be the one deciding?
No. Our role is to ensure that we have the best possible value out of this project, looking not just at tender value but also the overall life-cycle cost of the system. Just because it costs less now doesn’t mean that 50 years down the road we will have to spend more money on a cheap system.
So it would be right to say MyHSR would be the resident expert on the HSR?
This is what we’re developing (laughs).
Who will MyHSR report to?
We are an agency set up under the Finance Ministry. But in terms of project delivery, conception and design, and commuting of project, that is to the government as a whole, meaning we will table either to the Economic Council or the Cabinet depending on the issue. Regulation will be under SPAD.
Do you see any legislation being drafted in relation to HSR, such as with the SPAD Act?
Right now, SPAD is in the process of amending the PAD (Pengangkutan Awam Darat, or Land Public Transport) Act, and that will include some aspects of future railways that will be built in the country.
As of now, there is no immediate plan to create an HSR Act, but in my personal view, that will be the cleanest way to do it in the future once we have the bilateral agreement in place.
It will be easier for future HSR implementations that way. So the act would not just cover the KL-SG line, but if we were ever to consider eastern or northern HSR lines, then the act would help us tremendously on how to move forward on that.
What are some of the challenges and issues that MyHSR will have to work out?
My immediate challenge is to build up Malaysia’s talent pool... There’s a clear need for expertise to look at things that are unique to HSR. With the MRT, we recruited foreign experts, so I foresee this is something I have to do as well to beef up MyHSR’s technical expertise.
On funds, affordability is also a key consideration, whether that would influence the project structure. (We are) helping the Government think through what all the implications of the alternatives on the table are right now.
Will MyHSR run the HSR when it is completed?
It all depends on the final project structure that the Government decides on. Depending on whether it will be a private initiative, public-private partnership (PPP) or completely Government-owned, MyHSR Corp may have to evolve depending on the structure the Government decides on.
If it’s going to be Government-owned, which other countries have done, and then privatised their systems later, then MyHSR Corp will continue on to (handle) construction.
If a PPP is chosen, then MyHSR Corp may be the nucleus that will be absorbed by a private consortium that wins the bid and then go on to construction. It’s going to be a long journey, so we need the continuous support and perseverance from not only Malaysians but also the Government.
Will MyHSR be doing anything else in the near future?
We will be hosting a competition for the design of our company logo which will be opened up to the public with attractive prizes for the best 20 designs. Interested readers can find more info at myhsr.com.my.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/09/27/Ramping-up-to-full-speed/
Who will MyHSR report to?
We are an agency set up under the Finance Ministry. But in terms of project delivery, conception and design, and commuting of project, that is to the government as a whole, meaning we will table either to the Economic Council or the Cabinet depending on the issue. Regulation will be under SPAD.
Ahh, another multi-billion project under the Finance Ministry, just like the 1MDB.
Wonder will this become another mega scandal like 1MDB?
We are an agency set up under the Finance Ministry. But in terms of project delivery, conception and design, and commuting of project, that is to the government as a whole, meaning we will table either to the Economic Council or the Cabinet depending on the issue. Regulation will be under SPAD.
Ahh, another multi-billion project under the Finance Ministry, just like the 1MDB.
Wonder will this become another mega scandal like 1MDB?
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This thing if no work out sure looks bad.. not only on Malaysia but also Singapore...
But somehow i believe it will happen..
But somehow i believe it will happen..
S'pore-KL rail project enters new phase
Thursday, Oct 8, 2015
Singapore and Malaysia moved into the next stage of the high-speed rail project, which involves getting a feel of interest levels and views of prospective players who have the expertise or desire to build the link.
A request for information (RFI) was jointly issued by both governments yesterday. This market-sensing exercise will help gauge market interest and gather industry opinion on the commercial and technical aspects of the project, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and Malaysia's Land Public Transport Commission said.
"The feedback received will inform the ongoing bilateral discussions and formal tender process subsequently," both parties said.
In a blog post, Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said the joint project is "still on track" but also pointed out the challenges. "It is a large, complex infrastructure project, and there are many examples of countries that have failed in their HSR (high-speed rail) aspirations or their HSRs have run into serious financial problems."
Mr Khaw said this is due to a "gulf" between the countries' ambitions and the market realities.
"To be sustainable and exemplary, the project must meet the market test," he said, calling the RFI a necessary "building block".
Before the calling of the RFI, Singapore and Malaysia carried out their own feasibility studies. The RFI exercise is expected to finish by the end of the year. The Singapore-Kuala Lumpur HSR was first announced by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and his Malaysian counterpart Najib Razak in 2013.
While the HSR was targeted for completion by 2020, both prime ministers have said that this timeline will need to be reviewed.
According to LTA's website, the RFI is open to companies or consortiums interested in participating in the project in the areas of design, funding, construction, operations and maintenance.
- See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/spore-kl-rail-project-enters-new-phase#sthash.xz6lR5Sd.dpuf
Thursday, Oct 8, 2015
Singapore and Malaysia moved into the next stage of the high-speed rail project, which involves getting a feel of interest levels and views of prospective players who have the expertise or desire to build the link.
A request for information (RFI) was jointly issued by both governments yesterday. This market-sensing exercise will help gauge market interest and gather industry opinion on the commercial and technical aspects of the project, the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and Malaysia's Land Public Transport Commission said.
"The feedback received will inform the ongoing bilateral discussions and formal tender process subsequently," both parties said.
In a blog post, Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said the joint project is "still on track" but also pointed out the challenges. "It is a large, complex infrastructure project, and there are many examples of countries that have failed in their HSR (high-speed rail) aspirations or their HSRs have run into serious financial problems."
Mr Khaw said this is due to a "gulf" between the countries' ambitions and the market realities.
"To be sustainable and exemplary, the project must meet the market test," he said, calling the RFI a necessary "building block".
Before the calling of the RFI, Singapore and Malaysia carried out their own feasibility studies. The RFI exercise is expected to finish by the end of the year. The Singapore-Kuala Lumpur HSR was first announced by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and his Malaysian counterpart Najib Razak in 2013.
While the HSR was targeted for completion by 2020, both prime ministers have said that this timeline will need to be reviewed.
According to LTA's website, the RFI is open to companies or consortiums interested in participating in the project in the areas of design, funding, construction, operations and maintenance.
- See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/spore-kl-rail-project-enters-new-phase#sthash.xz6lR5Sd.dpuf
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Just published...can see?
Seems like Mr Khaw is playing safe and is afraid of committing to a white elephant.
At this stage, he is actually requesting for the RCI or Request For Information "to gauge market interest and gather industry opinion on selected commercial and technical aspects of the project".
So this means all of the above feasibility studies quoted had not been carried out and he wants to be sure before going ahead?
Shouldn't all this done before even deciding on the proposal's planning?
What if the report, which is expected by year end, comes out not too promising or worse, negative?
Delay the project once again till a more appropriate time later or what?
At this stage, he is actually requesting for the RCI or Request For Information "to gauge market interest and gather industry opinion on selected commercial and technical aspects of the project".
So this means all of the above feasibility studies quoted had not been carried out and he wants to be sure before going ahead?
Shouldn't all this done before even deciding on the proposal's planning?
What if the report, which is expected by year end, comes out not too promising or worse, negative?
Delay the project once again till a more appropriate time later or what?
Looking at how 1MBD has handled the life-savings of Malaysians and how the audit is handled, it is probably better not for Singapore to proceed with HSR, never mind the few millions Singapore has thrown in for feasibility studies.
That's why our Mr Khaw wanted to "double confirm" that it is feasible to build the line by doing another RCI exercise.
Its not just that few hundred million for the initial construction.........its the future perpetual expensive annual maintenance and labour cost if the service fail to achieve the target passenger load.
And again, another more prickly problem is running a joint venture with MY when their way of doing business is quite different (eg. major companies like 1MDB and MAS all lost tons of money yearly).
Imagine if the line continue be run and lose money like MAS and they decide to cut trips, cut fare etc, then how???
Hope that the Jurong East HSR station wont become another Historical Monument like the Tanjong Pagar KTM station if it ever being built . By then , want to tear down also cannot , when can SG gov learn the lesson ? Just built at some reclaim land in Tuas can already , at least wont waste so much land space if it become lost making.
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About 70 parties express interest in high-speed rail
TODAY reports: Ahead of the deadline on Friday, close to 70 companies and consortiums have already registered their interest in participating in the joint market sensing exercise on the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High Speed Rail (HSR) project, said the LTA.
By Amanda Lee, TODAY
POSTED: 16 Oct 2015 00:41
SINGAPORE: Around 70 companies and consortiums have already registered their interest in participating in the joint market sensing exercise on the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High Speed Rail (HSR) project, ahead of the deadline on Friday (Oct 16).
These include entities based in Singapore, Malaysia and overseas, said the Land Transport Authority (LTA), in response to TODAY’s queries. “We are encouraged by the interest,” the spokesperson added. “Companies that have yet to register are still welcome to do so.”
The Request for Information (RFI) exercise, launched by Malaysia’s Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) and the LTA, is aimed at gauging market sentiment on the project, as well as gather industry opinion on its commercial and technical aspects. Companies have till noon on Friday to register their interest in participating. Those found to be eligible will then submit their responses to the RFI documents by Nov 18 at 12pm.
The exercise, which will wrap up by the end of the year, will help inform the subsequent formal tender process. National University of Singapore transport researcher Lee Der Horng said the large number of companies which have registered is due to the HSR market in countries such as Japan and Europe “getting more saturated”. For example, there are not many HSR lines or plans in the pipelines in Japan and Europe, said Professor Lee. “So, that’s why much of the attention has shifted to Asia,” he added. A HSR project - from Jakarta to Bandung on Indonesia’s main island of Java - was also suddenly scrapped last month because the route was too short for a high-speed train, driving more interest to the Singapore-Malaysia project.
He also noted that the international community sees that both the Singapore and Malaysia governments have been “very sincere” and will get the HSR project moving.
On how many companies or consortiums are likely to bid for the KL-Singapore HSR project, Prof Lee expects “not more than 10” to do so. There are not many qualified companies globally which are able to deliver an HSR project, he noted.
Dr Walter Theseira, senior lecturer at SIM University, said: “It’s not surprising for many companies to be participating because this is likely to be one of the largest civil engineering projects in Singapore and Malaysia ... Although 70 companies participated, that doesn’t mean all 70 are capable of being the lead contractor to design and build the entire (HSR) system.”
Leaders of China and Japan have indicated their interest in taking part in the project.
Firms reportedly keen include China Railway Construction Corporation, CRRC Corporation - formed from a merger of two Chinese rail giants. A Japanese consortium - comprising East Japan Railway Company, Sumitomo Corporation, Hitachi and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries - has been formed ahead of the bidding for the project.
French company Alstom Transport Asia-Pacific’s senior vice-president, Mr Dominique Pouliquen, also said that his firm is “very keen”.
“No doubt this particular HSR project represents a major opportunity for economic growth in the region and will have long-term impact on the rail development in ASEAN countries,” said Mr Pouliquen.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/about-70-parties-express/2196026.html
TODAY reports: Ahead of the deadline on Friday, close to 70 companies and consortiums have already registered their interest in participating in the joint market sensing exercise on the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High Speed Rail (HSR) project, said the LTA.
By Amanda Lee, TODAY
POSTED: 16 Oct 2015 00:41
SINGAPORE: Around 70 companies and consortiums have already registered their interest in participating in the joint market sensing exercise on the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High Speed Rail (HSR) project, ahead of the deadline on Friday (Oct 16).
These include entities based in Singapore, Malaysia and overseas, said the Land Transport Authority (LTA), in response to TODAY’s queries. “We are encouraged by the interest,” the spokesperson added. “Companies that have yet to register are still welcome to do so.”
The Request for Information (RFI) exercise, launched by Malaysia’s Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) and the LTA, is aimed at gauging market sentiment on the project, as well as gather industry opinion on its commercial and technical aspects. Companies have till noon on Friday to register their interest in participating. Those found to be eligible will then submit their responses to the RFI documents by Nov 18 at 12pm.
The exercise, which will wrap up by the end of the year, will help inform the subsequent formal tender process. National University of Singapore transport researcher Lee Der Horng said the large number of companies which have registered is due to the HSR market in countries such as Japan and Europe “getting more saturated”. For example, there are not many HSR lines or plans in the pipelines in Japan and Europe, said Professor Lee. “So, that’s why much of the attention has shifted to Asia,” he added. A HSR project - from Jakarta to Bandung on Indonesia’s main island of Java - was also suddenly scrapped last month because the route was too short for a high-speed train, driving more interest to the Singapore-Malaysia project.
He also noted that the international community sees that both the Singapore and Malaysia governments have been “very sincere” and will get the HSR project moving.
On how many companies or consortiums are likely to bid for the KL-Singapore HSR project, Prof Lee expects “not more than 10” to do so. There are not many qualified companies globally which are able to deliver an HSR project, he noted.
Dr Walter Theseira, senior lecturer at SIM University, said: “It’s not surprising for many companies to be participating because this is likely to be one of the largest civil engineering projects in Singapore and Malaysia ... Although 70 companies participated, that doesn’t mean all 70 are capable of being the lead contractor to design and build the entire (HSR) system.”
Leaders of China and Japan have indicated their interest in taking part in the project.
Firms reportedly keen include China Railway Construction Corporation, CRRC Corporation - formed from a merger of two Chinese rail giants. A Japanese consortium - comprising East Japan Railway Company, Sumitomo Corporation, Hitachi and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries - has been formed ahead of the bidding for the project.
French company Alstom Transport Asia-Pacific’s senior vice-president, Mr Dominique Pouliquen, also said that his firm is “very keen”.
“No doubt this particular HSR project represents a major opportunity for economic growth in the region and will have long-term impact on the rail development in ASEAN countries,” said Mr Pouliquen.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/about-70-parties-express/2196026.html
If the HSR construction start at nusajaya in 2018 and with the Microsoft at kulai and silc in full operation, additional hundreds of managers and engineers will need accommodations. Not sure the limited readily built condo and houses around nusajaya can cope or not.
Cautiously optimistic.
Don't just focus on the present problems, also focus on the possibilities.
Cautiously optimistic.
Don't just focus on the present problems, also focus on the possibilities.
If you are an expat and looking for a place to rent, where would you rent? What are the factors would you consider when scouting for a place to rent?
Interest in building is always there as its just a business proposal.. But is Malaysia and Singapore going to be using the HSR heavily. And at what price?
I thought the market sensing exercise was meant to evaluate consumer interest not contractor interest.
I thought the market sensing exercise was meant to evaluate consumer interest not contractor interest.
The HSR is very much alive
This is a "market sensing exercise" and is basically part of the feasibility study to study the sustainability of the proposed system.
Building the system is a one off affair which may involved hundreds of millions but its the sustainability that the LTA needs to know.
I had mentioned earlier on the Taiwan HSR which ran on losses for years despite the feasibilities studies suggested otherwise so our Mr Khaw needed a double confirm to proceed.
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