Serious Hong Kong is finished.....

[whoami]

Ii am the Divine wisdom, what's up?

What u want to know?

Earth is flat.

US did not go to the moon, but to desert....

I expect u to be more intelligent. Getting from the right source. Not from those anti-islamic link. Just like u mentioned u never trust those media or link from US. Nah....


The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere):

He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.

The Arabic word "Kura كرة" means ball; the Quran used its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" meaning to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).


"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كل يجري" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.

How could an illiterate man who lived1400 years ago have known that all move sun, moon and Earth?


The Quran says that Earth has a diameter (diameter is simply twice the radius).

O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ].

Diameter in Arabic is Kutr قطر. Its plural is Aktar اقطار. Radii and diameters are properties of circles or spheres only. This conforms with the previous verse, to make into a ball [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ].


How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known that Earth has a diameter?

"Sateh سطح" in Arabic means surface however this surface can have any shape. Surface of the moon means " Sateh Al-Kamar سطح القمر " and has the shape of a sphere. It could have the shape of a saddle:

This saddle shape is one type of "sateh سطح". It could have any shape but unfortunately "sateh سطح" was mistranslated to flat. Flat in Arabic is "musattah مسطح" however it was not used in the entire Quran.

[Quran 50.7] And the Earth We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and have produced therein every kind of lovely pairs (of plants).

The Quran says that God spread out the Earth 'والارض مددناها' meaning increase in surface area during formation. 'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out', however it was also mistranslated to 'flat'.

The Quran says that God spread out Earth, that is, increased the surface area. Our solar system is 4.57 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.57 bln years ago. However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased. But the surface area is a function of the radius (surface area = 4πR2), that is, as the radius increases the surface area increases. So the Quran correctly described the surface area as increasing.(This is contrary to the Bible where the creation of Earth was spontaneous.)


How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known that Earth is a sphere?

(The Bible says that Earth is a 2 dimensional flat disk and the heaven is like a canopy: Isaiah 40:22. And since Earth is flat then Jesus could see the entire Earth from a single high location Matthew 4:8)

 

[whoami]

I didn't know the Qur'an was talking about X files.....the truth is out there.....I want to believe.

No such thing as X files. Truth are all tere. Curious? U just nid to browse thru the Quran. But dont prejudge. If u start to do tat, then no point reading it.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Yes. I will be careful next time. Tks.

I expect u to be more intelligent. Getting from the right source. Not from those anti-islamic link. Just like u mentioned u never trust those media or link from US. Nah....


The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere):

He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.

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The Arabic word "Kura كرة" means ball; the Quran used its verb "Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ" meaning to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere).


"ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري)" here the Quran is referring to ALL MOVING, not only the sun and moon but also Earth. In Arabic grammar there is difference between the singular (one), binary (two) and plural (three or more). The reference to binary is "Kulahuma Yajreean كلاهما يجريان" however the Quran said "Kullon yajree كل يجري" referring to the plural (three or more). Since the sun and moon are just two but the Quran refers to three or more then according to the Quran all the three move: sun, moon and Earth.

How could an illiterate man who lived1400 years ago have known that all move sun, moon and Earth?


The Quran says that Earth has a diameter (diameter is simply twice the radius).

O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ].

View attachment 80084

Diameter in Arabic is Kutr قطر. Its plural is Aktar اقطار. Radii and diameters are properties of circles or spheres only. This conforms with the previous verse, to make into a ball [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ].


How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known that Earth has a diameter?

"Sateh سطح" in Arabic means surface however this surface can have any shape. Surface of the moon means " Sateh Al-Kamar سطح القمر " and has the shape of a sphere. It could have the shape of a saddle:

This saddle shape is one type of "sateh سطح". It could have any shape but unfortunately "sateh سطح" was mistranslated to flat. Flat in Arabic is "musattah مسطح" however it was not used in the entire Quran.


View attachment 80085

The Quran says that God spread out the Earth 'والارض مددناها' meaning increase in surface area during formation. 'Madda' in Arabic means 'spread out', however it was also mistranslated to 'flat'.

The Quran says that God spread out Earth, that is, increased the surface area. Our solar system is 4.57 billion years old. Earth started accreting concurrently with the sun and our neighbouring planets 4.57 bln years ago. However during the accretion process the radius of Earth was not spontaneously 6400 km; but rather started a few kilometers long and progressively increased. But the surface area is a function of the radius (surface area = 4πR2), that is, as the radius increases the surface area increases. So the Quran correctly described the surface area as increasing.(This is contrary to the Bible where the creation of Earth was spontaneous.)


How could an illiterate man who lived 1400 years ago have known that Earth is a sphere?

(The Bible says that Earth is a 2 dimensional flat disk and the heaven is like a canopy: Isaiah 40:22. And since Earth is flat then Jesus could see the entire Earth from a single high location Matthew 4:8)

 

[rocket]

 

[Peiweh]

 

[LaoTze]

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IF NECESSARY KILL THEM ALL

EVEN IF NOT NECESSARY, KILL THEM ALL

 

[LaoTze]

https://hksar.org/generation-brainw...kong-s-protest-and-2-million-protesters-claim

Generation Brainwashed: Another look at Hong Kong's protest (and 2 million protesters claim)

After looking at the seemingly never-ending vandalism as well as peaceful demonstrations in Hong Kong, I present a point of view never heard in mainstream media/western social media.

HANG JOSHUA WONG.
HANG HIM HIGH

 

[nightsafari]

Ayah, wats tere to quarrel. Tis just discussion, sharing of opinions or info. No one is force to believe. Just dont start mocking, cursing like wat some people did here.

I tot i already provide the link for u yesterday? Did u read it?

There is ample evidence showing that the entire Qur’an was written down in the Prophets (saw) lifetime. As stated earlier when he (saw) received revelation he would instruct scribes to record the revelation on parchments of paper or pieces of leather. He would also indicate in which Surah each ayah was to be placed[39]. The Companions never interfered in the arrangement of the ayahs and Surahs which are the same in copies of Qur’ans available today. Hadrat Zaid bin Thabbit was one of the most prominent of the scribes and has reported that he, along with other companions would compile the Qur’an in the presence of the Holy Prophet (saw)[40]. During this time the names of the Surahs were also known. Angel Gibraeel (a.s) would also come to the Holy Prophet (saw) every Ramadan to listen to him reciting the Qur’an, and listened to him twice in the year of his demise[41].

https://www.minhaj.org/english/tid/2929/The-History-And-Compilation-Of-The-Holy-Quran.html

I dont blame u for having doubts in the Quran. There are many ways to prove whether the Book is divine? Tons of signs and miracles were mentioned in the Quran 1400 yrs ago....which only now scientists discovered one after another. Now u tell me how would an illiterate man like the Prophet pbuh, knew it? Remember, not one but tons of miracles mentioned in the Quran. U cant just discard and ignore it. U need to prove all those miracles were not true. So dont u tink its the work of some invisible force? Such events has to be written down in order to spread the message of Allah azzawajal. How could i be unknowingly learning the teaching of the caliph or even Zayd? U see nobody claimed credit for all those miracles mentioned in the Quran. Not even the Prophet, pbuh.

you seen any miracles happen with your own eyes? or somebody told you they happened 1400 years ago?

 

[nightsafari]

Why are laws created in Sinkieland or any other countries?

to keep people under control. you yourself said so. If no laws dangerous right?

So if you live in a country, you are subject to the laws of that government. It is created by the government so that people will be under control.

Same with religious laws. To keep control of people. If you can find god within religion good for you.

 

[PretenderSam]

https://hksar.org/generation-brainw...kong-s-protest-and-2-million-protesters-claim

Generation Brainwashed: Another look at Hong Kong's protest (and 2 million protesters claim)

After looking at the seemingly never-ending vandalism as well as peaceful demonstrations in Hong Kong, I present a point of view never heard in mainstream media/western social media.

HANG JOSHUA WONG.
HANG HIM HIGH

 

[PretenderSam]

https://hksar.org/generation-brainw...kong-s-protest-and-2-million-protesters-claim

Generation Brainwashed: Another look at Hong Kong's protest (and 2 million protesters claim)

After looking at the seemingly never-ending vandalism as well as peaceful demonstrations in Hong Kong, I present a point of view never heard in mainstream media/western social media.

HANG JOSHUA WONG.
HANG HIM HIGH

Watching too much western media reports , playing computer games and spending lots of time on the handphone has produced a generation of brainless China- sceptic. Unable of any critical thinking , they developed a irrational fear of anything Chinese.
Just ask these idiots to name 3 things that they normal can do , but now unable to do anymore with the security act in place. They could never come out with one.

 

[LaoTze]

HANG JOSHUA WONG.
HANG HIM HIGH

 

[whoami]

you seen any miracles happen with your own eyes? or somebody told you they happened 1400 years ago?

Maybe u dont understand my post. I am saying tons of prophecies mentioned in the Quran 1400yrs ago were only recently discovered by scientists, doctors etc etc. U dont consider tat as miracles? Prophet Muhammad pbuh or those scribes never claimed credit. In fact if u were to read the Quran tons and tons of verses, reference to scientific facts were mentioned tat it is the work of Allah azzawajal. Now u can see with ur own eyes some of present scientific discoveries were already mentioned in the Quran. One after another. I already given u some examples....discovery of the Pharoah...intact, earth is spherical in shape, Byzantine empire conquered etc etc etc. Heres another discovery...

Here is a direct proof not only for the non believers but also for any non muslim. the quran has many reference to scientific facts . and that is one of the types of verses that help those who have doubt to beleive that the quran is from Allah and Allah is the only god. and here is one of the fact . one type of the stars produce sound as knocking this was discovered in this era but the quran mentioned it more than 1400 years ago.

By the heavens and The Knocker. How will you comprehend what the The Knocker is? It’s a piercing star. There is not a soul but over it is a keeper. So let man consider of what he is created: He is created of water pouring forth, Coming from between the back and the ribs. Most surely He is able to return him (to life). On the day when hidden things shall be made manifest, He shall have neither strength nor helper. [Quran 86]



Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/islam/1204857-knock-knock.html

 

[whoami]

to keep people under control. you yourself said so. If no laws dangerous right?

So if you live in a country, you are subject to the laws of that government. It is created by the government so that people will be under control.

Same with religious laws. To keep control of people. If you can find god within religion good for you.

Precisely! Tats why i kip repeating mankind need law. Humans are destructive and conniving. Even the angels understood as mentioned in the Quran. Tats why Laws are meted out in the Quran. Harsh it may sound but its a good deterrent against criminals.

 

[nightsafari]

Maybe u dont understand my post. I am saying tons of prophecies mentioned in the Quran 1400yrs ago were only recently discovered by scientists, doctors etc etc. U dont consider tat as miracles? Prophet Muhammad pbuh or those scribes never claimed credit. In fact if u were to read the Quran tons and tons of verses, reference to scientific facts were mentioned tat it is the work of Allah azzawajal. Now u can see with ur own eyes some of present scientific discoveries were already mentioned in the Quran. One after another. I already given u some examples....discovery of the Pharoah...intact, earth is spherical in shape, Byzantine empire conquered etc etc etc. Heres another discovery...

Here is a direct proof not only for the non believers but also for any non muslim. the quran has many reference to scientific facts . and that is one of the types of verses that help those who have doubt to beleive that the quran is from Allah and Allah is the only god. and here is one of the fact . one type of the stars produce sound as knocking this was discovered in this era but the quran mentioned it more than 1400 years ago.

I do understand. But all that stuff incredible as it sounds known before the Quran/Koran was known long before it came into existence. As an example, Earth was documented as known to be round more than 1000 years before the book was published. 500 years BC. What am I supposed to be impressed by?

I think you underestimate how much knowledge there was in the world at that time. Stars heavenly alignment knowledge goes back even further.

Let me ask you this. If you only keep going back to your source of perfect knowledge without comparing with other sources, how do you know it's perfect? Have you ever compared your Kuran with the Bible and checked for differences and similarities? Or other historical documents? Or are you just taking everything as assumed perfect and for granted 100% true? The 1st will give you knowledge, the 2nd will give you dogma. It was Bush following dogma assuming 100% perfect god's will from scripture that encouraged him to invade the ME. You complain about him, but if you only follow your own knowledge, you are the same! Only difference is he was a President with armed forces and you and I are regular people.

If you can combine all sources of knowledge and only the Quran is unique in it's ability, then you have a point. But it is not unique. The Bible and the Talmud and Torah predate it and contain a great deal of similarity in terms of miracles. It looks like version 3 of the same type of book. All 3 are nothing special in terms of knowledge. Maybe human psychology. And furthermore, if you compare other cultures outside the ME at the time, you will find similar knowledge. Some more some less. Nothing special really.

 

[nightsafari]

Precisely! Tats why i kip repeating mankind need law. Humans are destructive and conniving. Even the angels understood as mentioned in the Quran. Tats why Laws are meted out in the Quran. Harsh it may sound but its a good deterrent against criminals.

ok. 2 questions come to mind.

1) Why does god need to control people on Earth? What's the point of enforcing heaven's law on earth?

2) Currently we live under PAP law. You also have Sharia law. They are obviously different. Which one to follow? You government or your god?

 

[tanwahtiu]

Hey u 2 nutheads .... go to the religious section to argue till cow come home lah... too much noises, spoil the thread....

I do understand. But all that stuff incredible as it sounds known before the Quran/Koran was known long before it came into existence. As an example, Earth was documented as known to be round more than 1000 years before the book was published. 500 years BC. What am I supposed to be impressed by?

I think you underestimate how much knowledge there was in the world at that time. Stars heavenly alignment knowledge goes back even further.

Let me ask you this. If you only keep going back to your source of perfect knowledge without comparing with other sources, how do you know it's perfect? Have you ever compared your Kuran with the Bible and checked for differences and similarities? Or other historical documents? Or are you just taking everything as assumed perfect and for granted 100% true? The 1st will give you knowledge, the 2nd will give you dogma. It was Bush following dogma assuming 100% perfect god's will from scripture that encouraged him to invade the ME. You complain about him, but if you only follow your own knowledge, you are the same! Only difference is he was a President with armed forces and you and I are regular people.

If you can combine all sources of knowledge and only the Quran is unique in it's ability, then you have a point. But it is not unique. The Bible and the Talmud and Torah predate it and contain a great deal of similarity in terms of miracles. It looks like version 3 of the same type of book. All 3 are nothing special in terms of knowledge. Maybe human psychology. And furthermore, if you compare other cultures outside the ME at the time, you will find similar knowledge. Some more some less. Nothing special really.

 

[nightsafari]

Hey u 2 nutheads .... go to the religious section to argue till cow come home lah... too much noises, spoil the thread....

ok.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Kam sia kam sai..

ok.

 

[whoami]

I do understand. But all that stuff incredible as it sounds known before the Quran/Koran was known long before it came into existence. As an example, Earth was documented as known to be round more than 1000 years before the book was published. 500 years BC. What am I supposed to be impressed by?

I think you underestimate how much knowledge there was in the world at that time. Stars heavenly alignment knowledge goes back even further.

Let me ask you this. If you only keep going back to your source of perfect knowledge without comparing with other sources, how do you know it's perfect? Have you ever compared your Kuran with the Bible and checked for differences and similarities? Or other historical documents? Or are you just taking everything as assumed perfect and for granted 100% true? The 1st will give you knowledge, the 2nd will give you dogma. It was Bush following dogma assuming 100% perfect god's will from scripture that encouraged him to invade the ME. You complain about him, but if you only follow your own knowledge, you are the same! Only difference is he was a President with armed forces and you and I are regular people.

If you can combine all sources of knowledge and only the Quran is unique in it's ability, then you have a point. But it is not unique. The Bible and the Talmud and Torah predate it and contain a great deal of similarity in terms of miracles. It looks like version 3 of the same type of book. All 3 are nothing special in terms of knowledge. Maybe human psychology. And furthermore, if you compare other cultures outside the ME at the time, you will find similar knowledge. Some more some less. Nothing special really.

Yes. Some miracles were also mentioned in torah n bible. U can said Quran latest version. More accurate. Why cant we use those prophecies as proof is Words of God?

Galileo discovered earth planets 17th century, no? All those example i quoted u with link, those discovered by scientists is 100% true. Are u sure they were discovered BC? Prove it with link/source? Yes. I believe Quran 100% words of God. Bush is not Muslim. As for Muslims, war is over century ago.