happy new year

[God my healer]

hi drifter, i am on lunch break so cant really reply much, but my personal thoughts on evolution is that yes, it can happen but within its own species only.

So a human cannot come from a primate but his looks, size, bearing etc can evolve from when he first appeared long ago.... as a human in the first place.

Bad things and good things happen to all alike because again to me , if all the good things happen only to christians and bad things to non christians , then people will want to become christians for the wrong reasons ie only to get what God can give . God doesnt want people to come to Him in this way.

It may sound illogical and silly to many people but thats what i believe and although in a way i consider you my freind but i still have to share it this way although i know you will scold me pretty soon.

1) how can you believe a storybook full of contradicting a book full of magical story ....virgin birth , talking snake , walking on water ...? if a person thought god were real, they would still worry about the consequences of disobeying god. a believer cannot decide to stop believing in god unless they first stop thinking of god as real or suspect that god is not real.

2) evolution is just a process by which change occurs in nature. the process of evolution was deduced by interpretation of evidence that holds up to empirical scrutiny. evolution is like many other natural processes which are deduced by interpretation of evidence. a couple of other processes we have deduced from evidence found in the natural world are erosion and eutrophication.

believe me god did not immensely in your day to day life .....if not why bad things can happen to anyone including all christians and non- believer ? remember bad things and good things can happen to anyone with religion or without .

 

[drifter]

hi drifter, i am on lunch break so cant really reply much, but my personal thoughts on evolution is that yes, it can happen but within its own species only.

So a human cannot come from a primate but his looks, size, bearing etc can evolve from when he first appeared long ago.... as a human in the first place.

Bad things and good things happen to all alike because again to me , if all the good things happen only to christians and bad things to non christians , then people will want to become christians for the wrong reasons ie only to get what God can give . God doesnt want people to come to Him in this way.

It may sound illogical and silly to many people but thats what i believe and although in a way i consider you my freind but i still have to share it this way although i know you will scold me pretty soon.

i know you are busy ...sorry ...at least you are not like that palsm23 ...keep on ranting about his imaginary friend and talk no sense ...hes giving his cult a bad name

1) but my personal thoughts on evolution is that yes, it can happen but within its own species only.

not really true ...have you not heard of liger , tiglons ? liger is a species that cross between a tiger and a lion . its possible that a different species can breed and become another new species ....im a animal breeder in japan and i know its possible . bengal cat is also created by using a asian leopard cat and a domestic cat and after few generation it become bengal cat ...genetic drift is reason enough for the vast majority of species that ever lived to be extinct. i would guess the number would actually be 99.9999% or more. this is simply because animals change over time. species typically last for no more than a million years or more. even though certain forms are repeated, they still constitute different species. animals typically evolve extremely rapidly as they move into a new niche and as the environment or habitat changes. once it reaches an idealized form, it's rate of evolution slows dramatically. this is from the theory of punctuated equilibrium. this is actually explained by simple mathematics and chance but for some reason it seems to be beyond most people or they simply don't care to learn it.
if the climate changes, or if any change to environment happens, this sets in motion a competition. the animals that were evolved for the previous habitat may no longer be evolved. those animals that evolve the quickest typically will survive. those animals that don't won't. sometimes an animal is too specialized to evolve. sometimes it has too long of a lifetime and it simply can't evolve fast enough to compete with animals that have shorter lifetimes. it is likely that dinosaurs may have been victim of this. it is more than some impact of a celestial body IMO.
some animals are predisposed to changes in the environment. corals for example are able to rapidly adapt to new conditions. some animals such as a cheetah are extremely specialized and are very vulnerable to changes.
there is nothing in the recent climate that is inconsistent with the past. there is no unusual stress related to climate that is causing extinctions. extinctions are a regular part of evolution. animals continually try to compete with others.
do your miperceptions about natural climate change feed your misperceptions about extinction?


2) " Bad things and good things happen to all alike because again to me , if all the good things happen only to christians and bad things to non christians , then people will want to become christians for the wrong reasons ie only to get what God can give . God doesnt want people to come to Him in this way " .

lets be honest ...the reason ppl want to believe in religion is " reward" ...heaven as reward ...because human dont accecpt the fact that when they die they die ...in another words they want " good things '' to happen to them .


3) " It may sound illogical and silly to many people but thats what i believe and although in a way i consider you my freind but i still have to share it this way although i know you will scold me pretty soon "


my friend , i dont treat you the same way as i treated pslam23 cause you are different ...at least you are not as delusional as him and theres hope in you ...you are just silly not yet delusional ...
we don't "limit" ourselves to anything -- we simply don't pretend things are real when there's no reason to think they are real. evidence determines what's real and what isn't, and there's no evidence of any "god," so no reason to pretend one exists.
my friend ...you ignore thousands of claimed gods...probably because there's no reason to think they're real. yet you "believe" in one, even though there's no evidence for it, either. why? at least I'm consistent.
miracles do not exist. they are lucky co-incidences, nothing more. if miracles happened, then i expect there would have been a number of people who were plucked to safety by angels during 9/11, but there weren't any .

 

[drifter]

god my healer ...im glad you do share with me your view ...im here in this religious disscussion to share my view as well ...as long as we both talk sense theres no reason why we should not share our view ...if you read all my post you know im a fair person here . i hope you can carry on posting ...if my words do hurt ...im sorry . sometimes i just want to get my message across ...my words dont intend to hurt u .

 

[God my healer]

yes friend drifter, i have read some of your posts in the general forum and i can see for myself that you are fair in your postings all the time and quite well liked and respected there and a little naughty too . But a bit of naughtiness is quite good fun and cheer people up.

I would be happy to share from time to time and discuss views and opinions.
I do have one request however and it is a sincere one which i hope you will consider.

Is it possible to be a little more gentle with Psalm 23?
Both of you are in a way expressing very honest and heartfelt opinions and in a different setting could even have been buddies despite the very different outlooks in some areas.

Thanks friend drifter.

god my healer ...im glad you do share with me your view ...im here in this religious disscussion to share my view as well ...as long as we both talk sense theres no reason why we should not share our view ...if you read all my post you know im a fair person here . i hope you can carry on posting ...if my words do hurt ...im sorry . sometimes i just want to get my message across ...my words dont intend to hurt u .

 

[Psalm23]

....but my personal thoughts on evolution is that yes, it can happen but within its own species only. ...not really true ...have you not heard of liger , tiglons ? liger is a species that cross between a tiger and a lion . its possible that a different species can breed and become another new species ....im a animal breeder in japan and i know its possible ........

Aiyoh....what kind of animal breeder are you? Answer so simple.

Tiger, liger, tiglons, lion, leopard are all of the same species (or of the same kind as told in the Bible). They all belonged to the 'Big Cat' family or species! So, you can cross-breed animals of the same species or of the same kind.

Like you can also cross-breed a dog and a wolve because they belonged to the canine species. But you cannot cross-breed a wolve and a tiger because they belonged to different species. You are an animal breeder?....Why not try cross-breed a dog and monkey or for that matter a wolve and a tiger? I don't want to try because I know it will not work. You don't need an animal breeder to tell you all this. It's in the Bible when God made all animals of its kind: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:25)

After God has made the beasts including all primates, He then proceeded to create mankind and this is the 'one species' that is totally from the beast: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:26-27)

Unlike beasts including primates that live by instinct, mankind don't. Mankind live by obeying God's laws and His commandments. You understand now?

 

[drifter]

Aiyoh....what kind of animal breeder are you? Answer so simple.

Tiger, liger, tiglons, lion, leopard are all of the same species (or of the same kind as told in the Bible). They all belonged to the 'Big Cat' family or species! So, you can cross-breed animals of the same species or of the same kind.

Like you can also cross-breed a dog and a wolve because they belonged to the canine species. But you cannot cross-breed a wolve and a tiger because they belonged to different species. You are an animal breeder?....Why not try cross-breed a dog and monkey or for that matter a wolve and a tiger? I don't want to try because I know it will not work. You don't need an animal breeder to tell you all this. It's in the Bible when God made all animals of its kind: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:25)

After God has made the beasts including all primates, He then proceeded to create mankind and this is the 'one species' that is totally from the beast: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:26-27)

Unlike beasts including primates that live by instinct, mankind don't. Mankind live by obeying God's laws and His commandments. You understand now?

i dont call you stupid for nothing ...'Big Cat' family " means can cross breed ? try to cross breed leopard and lion together see can anot ? stupid fuck ... it all depends on how closely related the animals are genetically similar
horses and moose, though both have hooves and basic structure, are not close enough to mate.
yet a horse and a donkey, which have the same simulairities to each other as the moose have, can because they are closely related. most hybrids happen in captivity, they also occur more naturally in the wild, and usually is the start of a whole new species or subspecies (like the red wolf, (coyote/greywolf) . also, some men/women DO get involved with other animals. (not just chimps either) It is called 'beastality', however, i do not suggest you look it up unless you are above the age of 18

please do not quote from your storybook because your storybook are full of fake ...need me to quote you all the bullshit again ? The bible HAS MANY "grey" areas for humans to dwell in.god allowed abraham to lie. god allowed a prostitute (without quitting her job) to spy for him and to serve him.

Jesus did not stone a prostitute although the law says she MUST be stoned .

your invisibleman allowed killings to happen in wars, even to kill women and children, for whatever reason there is .

women are told not to be preachers in church in the bible yet there ARE MANY female prophets, apostles in the bible.

How can Christianity or God be simply black and white, or right and wrong? use your brain before you post ....idiot .

 

[Psalm23]

......'Big Cat' family " means can cross breed ? try to cross breed leopard and lion together see can anot ? .....
yet a horse and a donkey, which have the same simulairities to each other ....also, some men/women DO get involved with other animals. (not just chimps either) It is called 'beastality'....

Call yourself an animal breeder....simple thing also don't know!

While you can cross-breed animals from the same species, it doesn't mean that all animals belonged to the same specie can automtically be cross-bred. But the reverse is ALWAYS true - if animals are from different species (or 'its kind as referred to in the Bible) they CANNOT be crossbred. In otherwords, even animals are in the same species it doesn't mean that they can automatically be cross-bred because to cross-breed, their DNA must have some compatibility. This is not just in the animal kingdom but also in the plant-kingdom. So, you cannot cross-bred corn and coconut but you can cross-bred some species of flowers to come out with hybrid like those in the orchid family. And that doesn't mean you can cross-bred all orchids. For that matter, not all orchids can be cross-bred with one another and the success rate is very small to cross-breed orchid plants.

Because horse and donkey are sub-species of a bigger species known as equidae species, and they can be cross-bred as their DNA has great similarities. Also, it is interesting to know that the offspring of a horse and a donkey is a mule. Two facts are known of mule: It is one of the stipudest animals and mule cannot be reproduced themeselves because they are infertile. This is one of the messages that God is telling evil man - don't anyhow create, or recreate and upside My laws of creation. You see, if you upset God's law when God says you can only 'beget' from the same species, God is very serious about it. Doing anything outside His laws will result in tragic results. So, you can now understand why there are many scientists warning other scientists not to manipulate DNA and to cross breed animals or plants by artificially altering their natural genetic make up. The end results can be very disastrous - and it's simple: Because by manipulating the DNA they are upseting God's laws of creation.

You got it? I think you need to go back to Japan and to learn more on cross-breeding, if you are not already there.

'beastality' - Hmmnn...heard it many, many years ago and just don't believe such thing can happen to human race, and I have no intention whatsoever to read or look up further. Any by the way - are you personally involved in some way? Ok, ok...just keep it to yourself. Don't share further on this...ok? Just can't believe such thing can take place. The world is already evil enough, don't make it more evil!

 

[drifter]

Call yourself an animal breeder....simple thing also don't know!

While you can cross-breed animals from the same species, it doesn't mean that all animals belonged to the same specie can automtically be cross-bred. But the reverse is ALWAYS true - if animals are from different species (or 'its kind as referred to in the Bible) they CANNOT be crossbred. In otherwords, even animals are in the same species it doesn't mean that they can automatically be cross-bred because to cross-breed, their DNA must have some compatibility. This is not just in the animal kingdom but also in the plant-kingdom. So, you cannot cross-bred corn and coconut but you can cross-bred some species of flowers to come out with hybrid like those in the orchid family. And that doesn't mean you can cross-bred all orchids. For that matter, not all orchids can be cross-bred with one another and the success rate is very small to cross-breed orchid plants.

Because horse and donkey are sub-species of a bigger species known as equidae species, and they can be cross-bred as their DNA has great similarities. Also, it is interesting to know that the offspring of a horse and a donkey is a mule. Two facts are known of mule: It is one of the stipudest animals and mule cannot be reproduced themeselves because they are infertile. This is one of the messages that God is telling evil man - don't anyhow create, or recreate and upside My laws of creation. You see, if you upset God's law when God says you can only 'beget' from the same species, God is very serious about it. Doing anything outside His laws will result in tragic results. So, you can now understand why there are many scientists warning other scientists not to manipulate DNA and to cross breed animals or plants by artificially altering their natural genetic make up. The end results can be very disastrous - and it's simple: Because by manipulating the DNA they are upseting God's laws of creation.

You got it? I think you need to go back to Japan and to learn more on cross-breeding, if you are not already there.

'beastality' - Hmmnn...heard it many, many years ago and just don't believe such thing can happen to human race, and I have no intention whatsoever to read or look up further. Any by the way - are you personally involved in some way? Ok, ok...just keep it to yourself. Don't share further on this...ok? Just can't believe such thing can take place. The world is already evil enough, don't make it more evil!

1 ) idiot plactic mold christain terrorist , first you post " They all belonged to the 'Big Cat' family or species! So, you can cross-breed animals of the same species or of the same kind " . now you try to eat your words and said " it doesn't mean that all animals belonged to the same specie can automtically be cross-bred " . you are really a serpent that your story book have mention trying to snake around ?

2) " This is one of the messages that God is telling evil man - don't anyhow create, or recreate and upside My laws of creation. You see, if you upset God's law when God says you can only 'beget' from the same species, God is very serious about it. Doing anything outside His laws will result in tragic results. So, you can now understand why there are many scientists warning other scientists not to manipulate DNA and to cross breed animals or plants by artificially altering their natural genetic make up. The end results can be very disastrous - and it's simple: Because by manipulating the DNA they are upseting God's laws of creation " .

are you stupid or what ? hybrid cross breed are bringing more money then a pure breed animal ...for example theres tons of hybrid cross breed of arowana , lizards , corn snake , ball python ....ect in the market that cost more then your monthly salary ...what god creation you talking about ? are you going to give stupid quotes again ? oh i forgot your storybook dont even know what is liger , albino corn snake ....ect ...your storybook is only suitable for ppl living in caves ...


just to name a few examples cattle and bison, wolves and coyotes and fin and blue whales are all perfectly capable of breeding. they all interbreed commonly in the wild and the offspring are all perfectly fertile and have young themselves.
even lions and tigers will produce offspring that are capable of producing cubs, though most are not, and there have been at least 2 documented cases of mules having foals.
Unless you wants to argue that cattle and buffalo are the same species ( i know you will said that they are the same species ) then ability to produce fertile offspring doesn't prevent two animals being seperate species in any way.
for your information ... turkeys can breed with chickens.
well since i have proved your stupid belief completely wrong, and you now know that interspecies breding is common, even in the wild, i guess you will now accept evolution? oh i forgot ...a delusional blind faith christains will never adimt that they are stupid ...




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[Psalm23]

1 ) idiot ........just to name a few examples cattle and bison......turkeys can breed with chickens.
...

There you go....double confirmed. Your gene/DNA is truly working well!

Can't say anything more than I have already done.....cross-breeding can only within the same species...this is scientific facts....but it does not automatically can be done. The Bible is very clear and give examples cattle begat cattle..this is 100% for sure.....and you cannot cross-breed animals from different species, this is also 100% for sure.

Cattle and bison belonged to a same sub-species of Bovinae. So, nothing surprising!

Another name for a female domesticated turkey is also called 'hen' and what's so surprising for hen to have babies with roaster (please, not with chicken! Call yourself an animal breeder!). Turkey and roaster are all belong to the 'bird' family.

So, simple also don't know. You animal-breeder? Please don't make yourself a joker here!

 

[drifter]

1 ) idiot ........just to name a few examples cattle and bison......turkeys can breed with chickens.
...

There you go....double confirmed. Your gene/DNA is truly working well!

Can't say anything more than I have already done.....cross-breeding can only within the same species...this is scientific facts....but it does not automatically can be done. The Bible is very clear and give examples cattle begat cattle..this is 100% for sure.....and you cannot cross-breed animals from different species, this is also 100% for sure.

Cattle and bison belonged to a same sub-species of Bovinae. So, nothing surprising!

Another name for a female domesticated turkey is also called 'hen' and what's so surprising for hen to have babies with roaster (please, not with chicken! Call yourself an animal breeder!). Turkey and roaster are all belong to the 'bird' family.

So, simple also don't know. You animal-breeder? Please don't make yourself a joker here!

you are still very delusion ... turkey and chicken are totally separate species of birds . if you think all bird family can cross breed ...what about parrot breed with eagle ? for your infor there are 9,775 bird species in the world ...for a stupid person like you.. you will think all belongs to the same species as long they got feathers ... and all birds can cross breed .
and there are 1 million different known species of insects in the world,
and some experts estimate that there might be as many as 10 million. so can a stick insect breed with beetle ? go on and post stupid stuff here and make us laugh ... . for your infor some different species of animals can cross breed some cant it depends . once again your bible is nothing but just a story book for entertainment sake ..if you treat it seriously you will end up in IMH ....you are already one step there

 

[drifter]

1 ) idiot ........just to name a few examples cattle and bison......turkeys can breed with chickens.
...

There you go....double confirmed. Your gene/DNA is truly working well!

Can't say anything more than I have already done.....cross-breeding can only within the same species...this is scientific facts....but it does not automatically can be done. The Bible is very clear and give examples cattle begat cattle..this is 100% for sure.....and you cannot cross-breed animals from different species, this is also 100% for sure.

Cattle and bison belonged to a same sub-species of Bovinae. So, nothing surprising!

Another name for a female domesticated turkey is also called 'hen' and what's so surprising for hen to have babies with roaster (please, not with chicken! Call yourself an animal breeder!). Turkey and roaster are all belong to the 'bird' family.

So, simple also don't know. You animal-breeder? Please don't make yourself a joker here!

you are still very delusion ... turkey and chicken are totally separate species of birds . if you think all bird family can cross breed ...what about parrot breed with eagle ? for your infor there are 9,775 bird species in the world ...for a stupid person like you.. you will think all belongs to the same species as long they got feathers ... and all birds can cross breed .
and there are 1 million different known species of insects in the world,
and some experts estimate that there might be as many as 10 million. so can a stick insect breed with beetle ? go on and post stupid stuff here and make us laugh ... . for your infor some different species of animals can cross breed some cant it depends . once again your bible is nothing but just a story book for entertainment sake ..if you treat it seriously you will end up in IMH ....you are already one step there

 

[drifter]

1 ) idiot ........just to name a few examples cattle and bison......turkeys can breed with chickens.
...
bible is nothing but just a story book for entertainment sake ..if you treat it seriously you will end up in IMH ....you are already one step there

double post

 

[Psalm23]

1 ) idiot ........just to name a few examples cattle and bison......turkeys can breed with chickens.
...


you are still very delusion ... turkey and chicken are totally separate species of birds . if you think all bird family can cross breed ...what about parrot breed with eagle ? for your infor there are 9,775 bird species in the world ...for a stupid person like you.. you will think all belongs to the same species as long they got feathers ... and all birds can cross breed .
and there are 1 million different known species of insects in the world,
and some experts estimate that there might be as many as 10 million. so can a stick insect breed with beetle ? go on and post stupid stuff here and make us laugh ... . for your infor some different species of animals can cross breed some cant it depends . once again your bible is nothing but just a story book for entertainment sake ..if you treat it seriously you will end up in IMH ....you are already one step there

Call yourself an animal breeder? Also told you already...please go and find out more....a domesticated female turkey is also called "hen" and there is nothing surprising for hen and roaster to mate and produce offsprings. So, simple also cannot understand.

What you tell people here are nothing unusual. Cross-breeding with same species or same sub-species like horse and donkey, or dog and wolves is part of the law of nature (but for believers, we call this God's law of creation because God created animals and plants of its own kind that is species and that they can only procreate within its own kind). You will have proved yourself correct that there is no such thing as creation but evolution if only you can show people that cross-breeding between an elephant and a monkey is possible and had been done. I guaranteed you, even though I am not an animal breeder, it cannot be done because they are of different kinds or species. They have different DNA. So easy to understand and yet still don't know.

Although procreation can be done between sub-species of a common species, it does not mean that it can be done for all kinds of animals even though from the same family of species or sub-species. The same goes for plants. Doesn't mean all flowers or fruit-plants can be cross-bred. So, can you produce an hybrid flower by combining the seeds of sunflowers and orchid? I don't know and even it cannot, so what. Though there are all flowers, but they have different DNA and genetic makeup. As to why different animals from same species or sub-species of a wider species can cross-bred while others cannot, no one know eactly why. But from Bible and God's perspective, there is always a reason for God for doing something (or not doing something) and even we don't understand that doesn't mean God is wrong. Can you imagine if cross-bred can take place by all the animals of the same species or subspecies of a same wider species, we will end up have very confused, in zoological terms. God is God of order and not of confusion. You must note that cross-breeding especially in the wild is an exception rather than the norm. Leaving the animals alone, often they don't cross-bred. This cross-breeding is normally done in controlled captive environment and still it is then an exception rather than the norm. With this small exceptions, you will find that scientists could discover many mysteries surrounding the science of DNA and come out with many scientific theories to educate people about animals, their procreation instinct, etc. In short, this small exceptions help people to understand better the science of zoology and God is using this small exceptions to help people understand His knowledge after all life is about understanding God and His knowledge. You understanding now? Animal breeder?

 

[drifter]

Call yourself an animal breeder? Also told you already...please go and find out more....a domesticated female turkey is also called "hen" and there is nothing surprising for hen and roaster to mate and produce offsprings. So, simple also cannot understand.

What you tell people here are nothing unusual. Cross-breeding with same species or same sub-species like horse and donkey, or dog and wolves is part of the law of nature (but for believers, we call this God's law of creation because God created animals and plants of its own kind that is species and that they can only procreate within its own kind). You will have proved yourself correct that there is no such thing as creation but evolution if only you can show people that cross-breeding between an elephant and a monkey is possible and had been done. I guaranteed you, even though I am not an animal breeder, it cannot be done because they are of different kinds or species. They have different DNA. So easy to understand and yet still don't know.

Although procreation can be done between sub-species of a common species, it does not mean that it can be done for all kinds of animals even though from the same family of species or sub-species. The same goes for plants. Doesn't mean all flowers or fruit-plants can be cross-bred. So, can you produce an hybrid flower by combining the seeds of sunflowers and orchid? I don't know and even it cannot, so what. Though there are all flowers, but they have different DNA and genetic makeup. As to why different animals from same species or sub-species of a wider species can cross-bred while others cannot, no one know eactly why. But from Bible and God's perspective, there is always a reason for God for doing something (or not doing something) and even we don't understand that doesn't mean God is wrong. Can you imagine if cross-bred can take place by all the animals of the same species or subspecies of a same wider species, we will end up have very confused, in zoological terms. God is God of order and not of confusion. You must note that cross-breeding especially in the wild is an exception rather than the norm. Leaving the animals alone, often they don't cross-bred. This cross-breeding is normally done in controlled captive environment and still it is then an exception rather than the norm. With this small exceptions, you will find that scientists could discover many mysteries surrounding the science of DNA and come out with many scientific theories to educate people about animals, their procreation instinct, etc. In short, this small exceptions help people to understand better the science of zoology and God is using this small exceptions to help people understand His knowledge after all life is about understanding God and His knowledge. You understanding now? Animal breeder?

" Also told you already...please go and find out more....a domesticated female turkey is also called "hen" and there is nothing surprising for hen and roaster to mate and produce offsprings. So, simple also cannot understand " .


delusional terrorist christain ...a turkey is a turkey ..does a turkey looks like hen ? the reason why turkey are call hen is just a word ..does it also means all woman attend " hen party " is a chicken ?

" As to why different animals from same species or sub-species of a wider species can cross-bred while others cannot, no one know eactly why. But from Bible and God's perspective, there is always a reason for God for doing something (or not doing something) and even we don't understand that doesn't mean God is wrong "

idiot... if you dont know the answer why some sub-species can cross bred while other cannot please dont act smart and refer all the things you dont know to your invisibleman ...it does not make you look smart . again you are trying to praise your invisibleman for nothing ..

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I have no issue with religion being exclusive in teaching - in fact, it's what they are supposed to teach, because they explain the origin of life and all have not only different but contradicting explanations. The fundamental of truth, before being the truth, is that it has to be exclusive if there is only one plausible answer.

E.g. if I say TFBH is a clone of Ram, it is either true or false. Ram will jump and so will you. That doesn't mean both of you don't respect views or democracy, but you have to respect truth. Now, if whether Ram and TFBH are the same person has ramifications on humanity, would humanity not jump at it because it is false and affects them personally. Nevertheless it doesn't make any negative action right - we will stop at jumping i.e. clarifying, justifying or whatever, but not killing or imposing because that is a different issue already.

Perhaps all religions are wrong, but they can't all be right because they contradict one another.

Your reply touches on many issues. Firstly, from a atheist's POV, religion only seeks to explain the truth, because religion by definition cannot back up its claims by empirical evidence. To be fair, the same can be said about science, because science by definition only concerns itself with what is falsifiable, and statements like "God exists", or "the universe is a work of art" do not fall within its realm. To the extent that science imposes on itself restrictions as to the scope of its investigations and methods by which it carries out those investigations, it cannot similarly assume itself to hold a monopoly on truth. And anyone who says that science is right and religion wrong is as ignorant as someone who wants to abolish the teaching of evolution and replace it with creationism. Science and religion are thus two different and irreconcilable ways of looking at reality, and truth is something that both are trying to reach, using their own methods. However truth in my opinion, like perfection, cannot ever be fully attained, because of the simple fact that it can never be completely defined.

Your second paragraph talks about the impact of the religious endeavor on humanity. And that is where I have strong views. I feel that religion has set back humanity's progress. Stem cell research, for example, could have progressed more quickly absent the intervention of the religious lobby.

 

[Psalm23]

" Also told you already...please go and find out more....a domesticated female turkey is also called "hen" and there is nothing surprising for hen and roaster to mate and produce offsprings. So, simple also cannot understand " .


delusional terrorist christain ...a turkey is a turkey ..does a turkey looks like hen ? the reason why turkey are call hen is just a word ..does it also means all woman attend " hen party " is a chicken ? " As to why different animals from same species or sub-species of a wider species can cross-bred while others cannot, no one know eactly why. But from Bible and God's perspective, there is always a reason for God for doing something (or not doing something) and even we don't understand that doesn't mean God is wrong "

idiot... if you dont know the answer why some sub-species can cross bred while other cannot please dont act smart and refer all the things you dont know to your invisibleman ...it does not make you look smart . again you are trying to praise your invisibleman for nothing ..

We are now discussing about procreation of animals and plants within species or sub-species of a wider species of family. What this has to do with "women attending party?" Very sad...your mind is so warped with nothing but rubbish. I don't mean to be "holier than thou". Far from it. If Apostle Paul claimed to be that he was the 'worst of all sinner' let me proclaim here that I am even a greater sinner than Apostle Paul.

It's really very sad. Very sad indeed. You have written to tell people of "beastialism", I really hope you didn't go to far into it, please. Are you pro-beastialism, anti-beastialism, or are you neutral? What's in your mind? We are already evil enough. Don't make it more evil.

So sad....

Yes, I don't know many answers why certain species can be cross-bred and why some cannot, and there are just as many people don't know. That's why there are specialised professonal who are specially trained as professional animal-breeders (which in my most honest opinion after reading what you have written, you cannot be one of these professionals, at 'best' an amateur). The fact that there are people trained as professional animal-breeders - I mean those specialists and who are actively involved in the science of procreation of animals trying to cross-breed different animals from the same species - shows that cross-breeding of different animals is an exception and not a norm. As mentioned, leaving the animals alone in the wild, they don't cross-breed. Cross-breeding takes place in controlled captive environment and merely are done by scientists to understand the science of reproduction of animals. Cross-bred animals has never been an important factor in the whole eco-system that is strictly governed and determined by the animals created by the natural law (i.e. God's law). Every animal from the tiny ants to one of the biggest animals like elephants, whales, dolphines, they play very important roles in the eco-system system, but cross-bred animals has no role in the eco-system. You understand now?

I write and reply all these, frankly, not so much for you but for the general viewers to read and if they are interested, they can go and find more. There are alot of materials in the public domain that tells us all these. Certainly, readers can contribute and disagree what I write...but please be relevant...relating partying women to the science of procreation of animals....well....unless something really very wrong with your mind...I really cannot connect the two! So, sad!

 

[Pervert]

So Psalm23, do u believe in the number 23 and 7?

 

[drifter]

We are now discussing about procreation of animals and plants within species or sub-species of a wider species of family. What this has to do with "women attending party?" Very sad...your mind is so warped with nothing but rubbish. I don't mean to be "holier than thou". Far from it. If Apostle Paul claimed to be that he was the 'worst of all sinner' let me proclaim here that I am even a greater sinner than Apostle Paul.

It's really very sad. Very sad indeed. You have written to tell people of "beastialism", I really hope you didn't go to far into it, please. Are you pro-beastialism, anti-beastialism, or are you neutral? What's in your mind? We are already evil enough. Don't make it more evil.

So sad....

Yes, I don't know many answers why certain species can be cross-bred and why some cannot, and there are just as many people don't know. That's why there are specialised professonal who are specially trained as professional animal-breeders (which in my most honest opinion after reading what you have written, you cannot be one of these professionals, at 'best' an amateur). The fact that there are people trained as professional animal-breeders - I mean those specialists and who are actively involved in the science of procreation of animals trying to cross-breed different animals from the same species - shows that cross-breeding of different animals is an exception and not a norm. As mentioned, leaving the animals alone in the wild, they don't cross-breed. Cross-breeding takes place in controlled captive environment and merely are done by scientists to understand the science of reproduction of animals. Cross-bred animals has never been an important factor in the whole eco-system that is strictly governed and determined by the animals created by the natural law (i.e. God's law). Every animal from the tiny ants to one of the biggest animals like elephants, whales, dolphines, they play very important roles in the eco-system system, but cross-bred animals has no role in the eco-system. You understand now?

I write and reply all these, frankly, not so much for you but for the general viewers to read and if they are interested, they can go and find more. There are alot of materials in the public domain that tells us all these. Certainly, readers can contribute and disagree what I write...but please be relevant...relating partying women to the science of procreation of animals....well....unless something really very wrong with your mind...I really cannot connect the two! So, sad!

1 ) "We are now discussing about procreation of animals and plants within species or sub-species of a wider species of family. What this has to do with "women attending party?"

it was you who say a female turkey is called hen ..i told you hen is just a word it does not mean turkey is also a hen ..thats why i gave you example of " hen party " . does hen party means only " hen " going to the party ?


2) " That's why there are specialised professonal who are specially trained as professional animal-breeders (which in my most honest opinion after reading what you have written, you cannot be one of these professionals, at 'best' an amateur) " .

theres no school for animals breeder for your information its just trial and error ...we all learn from mistakes . i have been breeding animals for the past 15years or more ...if you want to think i just started my breeding business by all means i dont need to prove anything to a delusional terrorist christain like you . if you can believe a virgin can give birth ...theres nothing much for you to talk about my profession .

3) " I mean those specialists and who are actively involved in the science of procreation of animals trying to cross-breed different animals from the same species - shows that cross-breeding of different animals is an exception and not a norm " As mentioned, leaving the animals alone in the wild, they don't cross-breed. Cross-breeding takes place in controlled captive environment and merely are done by scientists to understand the science of reproduction of animals. Cross-bred animals has never been an important factor in the whole eco-system that is strictly governed and determined by the animals created by the natural law (i.e. God's law) " .

whahahaha you think animals breeder are scientist ? i have some customers who is as young as 18 years old doing reptiles breeding at home for hobby ...you think they are scientist ? anyone who knows and love animal can become a breeder .

4) " Every animal from the tiny ants to one of the biggest animals like elephants, whales, dolphines, they play very important roles in the eco-system system, but cross-bred animals has no role in the eco-system. You understand now? "

what eco-system you talking about if they are going to be sold as pets ? you think customer who buy animals , reptiles , amphibians ...ect going to throw their pet in the garden or wild and let them survive on their own ? idoit terrorist ...those ppl who buy animals , reptiles and amphibians kept their pets in tanks or cages ...i really pity you ..you dont even know the pet trade yet you want to talk about it ...you better stick to your storybook and stay in cave ...

 

[Psalm23]

1 ) "We are now discussing about procreation of animals and plants within species or sub-species of a wider species of family. What this has to do with "women attending party?"

it was you who say a female turkey is called hen ..i told you hen is just a word it does not mean turkey is also a hen ..thats why i gave you example of " hen party " . does hen party means only " hen " going to the party ?


2) " That's why there are specialised professonal who are specially trained as professional animal-breeders (which in my most honest opinion after reading what you have written, you cannot be one of these professionals, at 'best' an amateur) " .

theres no school for animals breeder for your information its just trial and error ...we all learn from mistakes . i have been breeding animals for the past 15years or more ...if you want to think i just started my breeding business by all means i dont need to prove anything to a delusional terrorist christain like you . if you can believe a virgin can give birth ...theres nothing much for you to talk about my profession .

3) " I mean those specialists and who are actively involved in the science of procreation of animals trying to cross-breed different animals from the same species - shows that cross-breeding of different animals is an exception and not a norm " As mentioned, leaving the animals alone in the wild, they don't cross-breed. Cross-breeding takes place in controlled captive environment and merely are done by scientists to understand the science of reproduction of animals. Cross-bred animals has never been an important factor in the whole eco-system that is strictly governed and determined by the animals created by the natural law (i.e. God's law) " .

whahahaha you think animals breeder are scientist ? i have some customers who is as young as 18 years old doing reptiles breeding at home for hobby ...you think they are scientist ? anyone who knows and love animal can become a breeder .

4) " Every animal from the tiny ants to one of the biggest animals like elephants, whales, dolphines, they play very important roles in the eco-system system, but cross-bred animals has no role in the eco-system. You understand now? "

what eco-system you talking about if they are going to be sold as pets ? you think customer who buy animals , reptiles , amphibians ...ect going to throw their pet in the garden or wild and let them survive on their own ? idoit terrorist ...those ppl who buy animals , reptiles and amphibians kept their pets in tanks or cages ...i really pity you ..you dont even know the pet trade yet you want to talk about it ...you better stick to your storybook and stay in cave ...

To be sold as pets? Wonder anyone would like to keep a mule as his or her pet?

By the way, you have skipped this question: You have written to tell people of "beastialism", I really hope you didn't go to far into it, please. Are you pro-beastialism, anti-beastialism, or are you neutral? What's in your mind? We are already evil enough. Don't make it more evil.

It is well-documented that animals left alone in the wild do not cross-breed. Answer simple: God has built an 'safety' feature in their procreation instinct. When animals cross-breed, the offsprings are usually weaker and suffer infirmity like infertility. Each animal has an instinct to keep to their pure 'seed' and prefer not to adulterated with other species. Even animals are aware that cross-breed is not healthy and lead to problems of their future offsprings, hence they do go and mate with other animals even though they are of the same species - genetically speaking. This is also warned by scientists that if cross-breeding becomes prevalent, there is a great danger that it could produce an animal of inferior quality or dilute a purebred gene pool to the point of extinction of a given breed of animal. This is particularly so if cross-breeding is done irresponsibly - your 15 years as cross-breeder...so horrible of you! Isn't this is worst than animals - animals and beasts even have the instinct not to cross-breed to maintain their pure pool of gene. And human do this just to keep as pets....so evil!

You animal breeder? What a joke! Domesticated female turkey is also called 'hen" - this is a term used by those people who domesticate turkey for commercial purpose. I did not create the term myself! Go and ask your Japanese animal breeders. You are as animal breeder for 15 years and still don't know this and relate to 'women partying'? You are just a clown!

 

[drifter]

To be sold as pets? Wonder anyone would like to keep a mule as his or her pet?

By the way, you have skipped this question: You have written to tell people of "beastialism", I really hope you didn't go to far into it, please. Are you pro-beastialism, anti-beastialism, or are you neutral? What's in your mind? We are already evil enough. Don't make it more evil.

It is well-documented that animals left alone in the wild do not cross-breed. Answer simple: God has built an 'safety' feature in their procreation instinct. When animals cross-breed, the offsprings are usually weaker and suffer infirmity like infertility. Each animal has an instinct to keep to their pure 'seed' and prefer not to adulterated with other species. Even animals are aware that cross-breed is not healthy and lead to problems of their future offsprings, hence they do go and mate with other animals even though they are of the same species - genetically speaking. This is also warned by scientists that if cross-breeding becomes prevalent, there is a great danger that it could produce an animal of inferior quality or dilute a purebred gene pool to the point of extinction of a given breed of animal. This is particularly so if cross-breeding is done irresponsibly - your 15 years as cross-breeder...so horrible of you! Isn't this is worst than animals - animals and beasts even have the instinct not to cross-breed to maintain their pure pool of gene. And human do this just to keep as pets....so evil!

You animal breeder? What a joke! Domesticated female turkey is also called 'hen" - this is a term used by those people who domesticate turkey for commercial purpose. I did not create the term myself! Go and ask your Japanese animal breeders. You are as animal breeder for 15 years and still don't know this and relate to 'women partying'? You are just a clown!

1) " To be sold as pets? Wonder anyone would like to keep a mule as his or her pet "?

why not ? if ppl can pet elephant , tiger even ants ( yes , ants ) as pet why not mule ? is your brain really that small ?


2) " You have written to tell people of "beastialism", I really hope you didn't go to far into it, please. Are you pro-beastialism, anti-beastialism, or are you neutral? What's in your mind? We are already evil enough. Don't make it more evil".


are you high on LSD while reading your storybook ? since when i said im pro-beastialism or against beastialism ? i just mention some men/women DO get involved with other animals. (not just chimps either) It is called 'beastality'" . but if you want to get involved with animals i wont stop you either .



3) " When animals cross-breed, the offsprings are usually weaker and suffer infirmity like infertility "

who told you that ? not all offspring will turn out to be weaker or infertility , it depends ..if not how breeder continue to breed those with cross-breed genes to sell ...rememeber its demand and supply ? you are talking through your ass again .



4) " This is also warned by scientists that if cross-breeding becomes to prevalent, there is a great danger that it could produce an animal of inferior quality or dilute a purebred gene pool to the point of extinction of a given breed of animal " .

let me tell you again christain terrorist , most of the so-called scientist is as delusional as you ..they also believe in virgin birth ...the reason they said that is because they want their storybook to telly with the nature ....theres no proof that cross breeding will lead to extinction ...because theres always ppl out there who breed pure breed of animals .




2) " This is particular so if cross-breeding is done irresponsibly - your 15 years as cross-breeder...so horrible of you! Isn't this is worst than animals - they even have the instinct not to cross-breed to maintain their pure pool of gene. And human do this just to keep as pets....so evil! "

human evil ? then your parents and wife your children also very evil . welcome to the real world and its time you step out of your cave ...its demand and supply ....stupid chirstains terrorist ... your storybook is more evil Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
John 15:20 20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Jeremiah 17:18 Let them be confounded that persecute me, but let not me be confounded: let them be dismayed, but let not me be dismayed: bring upon them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction.

3) " You animal breeder? What a joke! Domesticated female turkey is also called 'hen" - this is a term used by those people who domesticate turkey for commercial purpose. I did not create the term myself! Go and ask your Japanese animal breeders. You are as animal breeder for 15 years and still don't know this and relate to 'women partying'? You are just a clown!


yes ...its just a term that female turkey is call hen ...it does not mean that a turkey is a hen !!!! UNDERSTAND ? the term hen party also does not mean hen attend a party ...ITS JUST A TERM !!! UNDERSTAND ??