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kaninabuchaojibye

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All units at Lorong 3 Geylang vacated as land returns to state ownership

01 Jan 2021 04:18PM (Updated: 01 Jan 2021 04:20PM)

SINGAPORE: All 191 terrace house units at Lorong 3 Geylang have been vacated, as ownership of the site returned to the state after the leases expired on Thursday (Dec 31).

“The return of leasehold land to the State upon lease expiry enables the land to be rejuvenated to meet these various needs of Singaporeans,” the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) said on Friday.

"SLA will hoard up and clear the site in preparation for redevelopment."
It was announced in June 2017 that the land occupied by the units will return to the state once the 60-year lease expires. It will be redeveloped for public housing as part of the larger plan to rejuvenate Kallang, SLA said previously.

Of the 191 units at the site, 40 were occupied by owners, 16 were used for religious purposes and 135 were used as foreign workers’ accommodation.
Those who own the units they occupy received assistance over the last three years to prepare them for relocation, SLA said.

“An SLA officer was assigned to each household to guide them through their relocation plans and to provide assistance according to their unique circumstances,” the authority said.

“SLA worked with the Housing & Development Board (HDB) to ensure that no one would be left without a housing option.”

SLA also worked with the Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth, as well as the relevant religious organisations, to help the occupants of the units used for religious purposes.

At a media briefing on Dec 3, SLA said that 13 of these 16 units will either relocate or wind down.

Occupants of the remaining units said at the time that they are reviewing their options, which include co-locating with religious organisations in other areas or renting from commercial or industrial premises.

The occupants of the units were also informed that they could seek assistance from the relevant member organisations of the National Steering Committee on Racial and Religious Harmony, SLA added.

As for the foreign workers, SLA said it worked with the Ministry of Manpower and employers to make relocation arrangements for them.

“The Government takes into consideration various national, social and economic needs in making land planning decisions and redevelopment plans,” SLA said on Friday.
Source: CNA/ga(gs)
 

laksaboy

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If you don't own the land, you own nothing. You are just a temporary guest in a hotel. :wink:

"SLA will hoard up and clear the site in preparation for redevelopment."

Yes, build more high-rise dwelling places. 10 million population and beyond. :cool:
 

kaninabuchaojibye

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7 Major Risk Factors When Counting On An En-bloc Sale
- Property Blog Singapore
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en bloc sale

“Don’t worry,” some sellers might tell you, “older properties mean more en-bloc potential”. And that’s how some buyers end up with 40+ year old properties, that they struggle to sell when said en-bloc doesn’t come to pass.
Due to the en-bloc fever of 2017/18, or during the property heyday of 2013, some buyers are under the impression that collective sales are a sure-fire bet. After all, how many condos get past 40 years of age before an en-bloc?
However, it’s not a good idea to get overconfident with major commitments like home ownership. Even if most condos do go en-bloc before lease expiry, that’s of no consolation if you end up with one of the uncommon condos that don’t. There are some potential risk factors to consider, before you decide to buy an old property for en-bloc gains:
  • Larger developments may see limited demand due to ABSD deadlines
  • Policy changes are unpredictable, and can foil en-bloc plans
  • Restrictions in terms of maximum Gross Plot Ratio
  • Traffic restrictions are now a factor
  • The ultimate landowner may not want to renew the lease
  • Timing issues and the SSD can pose an unexpected hazard
  • Bulk ownership can be an issue
1. Larger developments may see limited demand due to ABSD deadlines
Small and mid-sized developments (around 600 units or less) are a bit less risky in the en-bloc department. But large developments, especially 1,000+ unit mega-projects, are best avoided if you’re counting on an en-bloc.
The main reason is the Additional Buyers Stamp Duty (ABSD) for developers. This is a tax of 30 per cent on the land price, if developer is unable to complete and sell every unit within five years.
The ABSD deadline applies regardless of size: if the project has 300 units, the developer has five years to finish and sell it. If the project has 1,200 units, the developer also has five years to finish and sell it.
Take into account, the Tampines Court en-bloc, which has been relaunched as Treasure at Tampines. At its current take up rate of 57%, it has sold 1,256 units so far – which for even some mega developments (Stirling Residences, JadeScape come to mind), would have already represented a fully sold project.
Those staying in similar mega developments like Mandarin Gardens, Pine Grove, and Pandan Valley hoping for en-bloc will be hoping that Treasure at Tampines would end up with a successful 100% sold status by the end of 5 years. Anything less, and developers would definitely be less inclined to look for bigger projects moving forward.
As such, many developers hesitate to purchase large land plots / developments. A good recent example is Braddell View; at 1.14 million sq. ft. and over 900 units, analysts even called its failed en-bloc attempt “unsurprising”.
The massive Pine Grove is another example, with 3 failed en-bloc attempts so far.
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Having new MRT stations, malls, and other amenities nearby do raise en-bloc potential; but you also need to consider if the sheer size of the development is going to be a drawback.
2. Policy changes are unpredictable, and can foil en-bloc plans
Some policy changes – such as cooling measures – can change the real estate market overnight. Developers, just like individual buyers, tend to have a knee jerk reaction when they happen.
In July 2018 for instance, new measures kicked in that increased the ABSD. By December of that year, 30 en-bloc attempts across the island had failed. This was despite half of them lowering prices, in light of the new cooling measures.
Spanish Village en-bloc
Our recently reviewed Spanish Villageis one of them
You could have been waiting for years for an en-bloc, only to have it crushed after a single government announcement.
(Incidentally, the fees to consult the legal firm, property firm, and other parties for the en-bloc don’t go away even if the en-bloc fails; it’s likely to come from the maintenance fund you’ve been contributing to, so it’s wasted money).
3. Restrictions in terms of maximum Gross Plot Ratio
We have an earlier article on how plot ratios work, and how they’re defined in the master plan. The maximum Gross Plot Ratio (GPR) determines how many units can be built, along with the maximum height.
In the same article, we pointed out that the GPR can be revised downward, as was the case with Hillview House.
All of this is pertinent to en-bloc potential. Developers need to ensure they can build sufficient units to cover the cost of:
  • Buying the land from you
  • Topping up the lease (if it’s 99-years)
  • Paying for the Development Charges of the property
  • Covering the cost of construction, marketing, legal fees, etc.
This almost always means the new project has to be bigger than the last one, to cover the costs and still make a profit. If that’s not possible, developers are unlikely to proceed with the sale.
While you can check the URA Master Plan anytime, you can’t predict where and how URA will decide to change the GPR. This makes for another risk factor that’s outside your control.
4. Traffic restrictions are now a factor
Developers no longer need approval from just URA. They’re now required to get approval from the Land Transport Authority (LTA) also, regarding the number of units they’re allowed to build.
A traffic impact assessment is used to determine if the new number of units would contribute to traffic congestion. This is in addition to usual restrictions, like the maximum GFA (see point 3).
Developers may offer less for an en-bloc sale, if they have to trim the total number of units.
5. The ultimate landowner may not want to renew the lease
We’ve mentioned this in an earlier article, where we explained how a 99-year leasehold property can be sitting on freehold land (i.e. the owner of the land rented it out for 99-years).
In these cases, the developer has to pay the land owner, not the government, to top-up the 99-year lease. Problems arise, however, if the land owner isn’t inclined to renew the lease (they may have other plans for the land).
In these cases, an en-bloc isn’t possible as the developer can’t top up the lease.
Leasehold properties on freehold land are seldom indicated outright; so this is something you need to specifically ask about. Avoid these sorts of properties if you’re hoping for an en-bloc.
6. Timing Issues and the SSD can pose an unexpected hazard
Goodluck en-bloc
The Sellers Stamp Duty (SSD) applies when selling within the first, second, or third year of purchasing a property (12 per cent, eight per cent, and four per cent of sales proceeds respectively).
The SSD still applies in the event of an en-bloc sale. So if you buy an old property and it goes en-bloc in the same year, you’ll pay a 12 per cent tax.
There are also opportunity costs involved – you might have lost the chance to purchase another desired unit, by buying your now-to-be-en-bloc’ed property. There’s also the inconvenience of having to move out again; sometimes for little more than break-even gains after paying the SSD.
Beyond this, there are timing complications. A developer might be giving you the sales proceeds as late as two years after the en-bloc; this can mean having to use a bridging loan, paying for temporary accommodation, etc. If you have a new home in mind, bear in mind the price can go up, or it can become unavailable, by the time you get your sale proceeds.
These all add unexpected costs that diminish an “en-bloc windfall”.
We can help you with the timing issues though, if you’re facing an en-bloc and need a new home. Contact us on Facebook, so we can present you with some cost-effective options.
7. Bulk ownership can be an issue
Some properties may have a number of units owned by a single investor (very possible back in the day), or by a single entity. As an example, the Lumos has 34 unsold units owned by a private equity real estate group. Not that the Lumos will be going en-bloc anytime soon, but if that was ever a possibility, having such a large group would no doubt have a huge sway on the outcome of an en-bloc deal.
Of course, on the flip side, this could be a good thing too – so it is really dependant on the motivations of the investor/entity. But ultimately, know that these are things not within your control.
We’re not saying an en-bloc is a bad thing.
It’s great when it happens at the right time, and the potential for en-bloc gives private properties a big lead over HDB counterparts.
But the potential an en-bloc has become overused as a marketing gimmick, especially for very old properties. It’s just not as straightforward as some sellers make it out to be; and if you’re getting a 30+ year old leasehold property, it should never be with the assumption that an en-bloc will happen.
You can also browse alternative options on Stacked, where we provide in-depth reviews of Singapore’s private property market.
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
If you don't own the land, you own nothing. You are just a temporary guest in a hotel. :wink:



Yes, build more high-rise dwelling places. 10 million population and beyond. :cool:
Even if one owns a freehold property, pap can tell you to fuck off. In short, every inch of land in Sinkieland belongs to the pap.

Freehold status can be changed
Many property buyers are attracted to the allure of a “forever” property, but freehold status isn’t permanent.

If the government decides to build a military base, or satellite dish, or run an MRT line right through the land where your house is sitting, it’s gone; freehold or no.

At best, you will receive compensation at market value. But don’t succumb to any notions of permanence; it’s all subject to Urban Redevelopment Authority’s (URA) masterplans.

Also, be aware that freehold property is prone to en-bloc sales; after 30 or 40 years, your neighbours might decide they’re sick of the scenery. Then your condo is sold off and you’re back to house hunting…

Well, this may great for the younger folks who will benefit from the cash in, but not too great if all you want is a stable home.

https://blog.moneysmart.sg/property/freehold-condo-property-disadvantage/



SLA serves notice of possession to 3 landed properties after owners fail to move out after deadline
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    Apr 25, 2017, 6:31 pm
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SINGAPORE - Three freehold landed properties at Merpati Road were legally possessed by the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) from Tuesday (April 25), even though their owners have not handed over the keys to the property.

The homeowners at 27, 29 and 33 Merpati Road were served notice to move out by SLA's deputy chief executive Simon Ong and four other officers this morning. Their 12 other neighbours have already moved out before Tuesday - the final deadline given to the residents.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...-after-owners-fail-to-move-out-after-deadline
 

JohnTan

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
Buying leasehold condos in SG are ego traps.

Buying condos for investment in Singapore can be profitable if you do your homework before investing.

Next move will be when banks refuse loans for properties with leased less than 60 years remaining.

Why would you want to buy a leasehold with less than 60 years? Unless I have very strong sentimental value to that leasehold, I would have sold it off by the time it was left with 75 years on the lease.
 

Papsmearer

Alfrescian (InfP) - Comp
Generous Asset
Singapore
All units at Lorong 3 Geylang vacated as land returns to state ownership

01 Jan 2021 04:18PM (Updated: 01 Jan 2021 04:20PM)

SINGAPORE: All 191 terrace house units at Lorong 3 Geylang have been vacated, as ownership of the site returned to the state after the leases expired on Thursday (Dec 31).

“The return of leasehold land to the State upon lease expiry enables the land to be rejuvenated to meet these various needs of Singaporeans,” the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) said on Friday.

"SLA will hoard up and clear the site in preparation for redevelopment."
It was announced in June 2017 that the land occupied by the units will return to the state once the 60-year lease expires. It will be redeveloped for public housing as part of the larger plan to rejuvenate Kallang, SLA said previously.

Of the 191 units at the site, 40 were occupied by owners, 16 were used for religious purposes and 135 were used as foreign workers’ accommodation.
Those who own the units they occupy received assistance over the last three years to prepare them for relocation, SLA said.

“An SLA officer was assigned to each household to guide them through their relocation plans and to provide assistance according to their unique circumstances,” the authority said.

“SLA worked with the Housing & Development Board (HDB) to ensure that no one would be left without a housing option.”

SLA also worked with the Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth, as well as the relevant religious organisations, to help the occupants of the units used for religious purposes.

At a media briefing on Dec 3, SLA said that 13 of these 16 units will either relocate or wind down.

Occupants of the remaining units said at the time that they are reviewing their options, which include co-locating with religious organisations in other areas or renting from commercial or industrial premises.

The occupants of the units were also informed that they could seek assistance from the relevant member organisations of the National Steering Committee on Racial and Religious Harmony, SLA added.

As for the foreign workers, SLA said it worked with the Ministry of Manpower and employers to make relocation arrangements for them.

“The Government takes into consideration various national, social and economic needs in making land planning decisions and redevelopment plans,” SLA said on Friday.
Source: CNA/ga(gs)
These are HDB units moron, what has private condos got to do with it?
 

eatshitndie

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
land acquisition act allows gov to take over any parcel, including freehold. even late old fart’s private residence may not be spared and can be gazetted. best is to own freehold property away from busy “hubs” where there’s little to no future plans for pubic acquisition. sg is so small and dense. it’s just a matter of time (not now but may be in 69 years) that all freehold will be subdivided to smithereens. best is to settle down in no mans land in alberta or british columbia like doc has done.
 

Papsmearer

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Generous Asset
land acquisition act allows gov to take over any parcel, including freehold. even late old fart’s private residence may not be spared and can be gazetted. best is to own freehold property away from busy “hubs” where there’s little to no future plans for pubic acquisition. sg is so small and dense. it’s just a matter of time (not now but may be in 69 years) that all freehold will be subdivided to smithereens. best is to settle down in no mans land in alberta or british columbia like doc has done.
UnOfficially in the SLA, there are "no go" areas where freehold land can never be taken over by the Land Acquisitions Act. These are mostly in District 10 and 11, Bukit timah, Binjai, Astrid, etc. Too many Ministers live there. Other no go areas are Seletar and Changi.
 

knnccb

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Loyal
Singapore
All units at Lorong 3 Geylang vacated as land returns to state ownership

01 Jan 2021 04:18PM (Updated: 01 Jan 2021 04:20PM)

SINGAPORE: All 191 terrace house units at Lorong 3 Geylang have been vacated, as ownership of the site returned to the state after the leases expired on Thursday (Dec 31).

“The return of leasehold land to the State upon lease expiry enables the land to be rejuvenated to meet these various needs of Singaporeans,” the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) said on Friday.

"SLA will hoard up and clear the site in preparation for redevelopment."
It was announced in June 2017 that the land occupied by the units will return to the state once the 60-year lease expires. It will be redeveloped for public housing as part of the larger plan to rejuvenate Kallang, SLA said previously.

Of the 191 units at the site, 40 were occupied by owners, 16 were used for religious purposes and 135 were used as foreign workers’ accommodation.
Those who own the units they occupy received assistance over the last three years to prepare them for relocation, SLA said.

“An SLA officer was assigned to each household to guide them through their relocation plans and to provide assistance according to their unique circumstances,” the authority said.

“SLA worked with the Housing & Development Board (HDB) to ensure that no one would be left without a housing option.”

SLA also worked with the Ministry of Culture, Community and Youth, as well as the relevant religious organisations, to help the occupants of the units used for religious purposes.

At a media briefing on Dec 3, SLA said that 13 of these 16 units will either relocate or wind down.

Occupants of the remaining units said at the time that they are reviewing their options, which include co-locating with religious organisations in other areas or renting from commercial or industrial premises.

The occupants of the units were also informed that they could seek assistance from the relevant member organisations of the National Steering Committee on Racial and Religious Harmony, SLA added.

As for the foreign workers, SLA said it worked with the Ministry of Manpower and employers to make relocation arrangements for them.

“The Government takes into consideration various national, social and economic needs in making land planning decisions and redevelopment plans,” SLA said on Friday.
Source: CNA/ga(gs)


@glockman wont have this problem, he stay in gcb mansion
 

eatshitndie

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Asset
UnOfficially in the SLA, there are "no go" areas where freehold land can never be taken over by the Land Acquisitions Act. These are mostly in District 10 and 11, Bukit timah, Binjai, Astrid, etc. Too many Ministers live there. Other no go areas are Seletar and Changi.
yes, was going to say live near and around a (senior) ministar if one could afford it. some zones in nassim road and yeast coast are also “protected” for their large plots (for vvips and billionaire refugees and or fugitives from neighboring cuntries).
 

eatshitndie

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or live in a retirement village in NZ with Uncle Sam as your neighbour ... bliss till 96 and beyond ...

agree. all angmoh cuntries run by british empire (5-eye be according to tanwahtiu) are great places of refuge and retirement.
 

cocobobo

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Its about time gahmen be fair and convert all FHs and 999 years to 99yrs lease.
Of course its difficult as they and their ilk own most of these.
 

Annunaki

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Freehold status can be changed
Many property buyers are attracted to the allure of a “forever” property, but freehold status isn’t permanent.
If the government decides to build a military base, or satellite dish, or run an MRT line right through the land where your house is sitting, it’s gone; freehold or no.

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