Going Back to Tanaka and Zhou EnLai in 1972 on the Senkaku Issue.

[Bigfuck]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20121002a9.html
Zhou Enlai shelved Senkaku issue at '72 talks
Kyodo

SHANGHAI — When Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka raised the Senkaku Islands issue in negotiations with China 40 years ago on normalizing diplomatic relations, Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai's clear stance was that their sovereignty should be shelved, according to his official interpreter at the talks.

Zhou Bin



In a recent interview, Zhou Bin, 77, said both sides came to an understanding that the territorial dispute over the East China Sea islets, which are called Diaoyu in China and are now claimed by Beijing, would be postponed and left for future generations to resolve.

According to Japanese records, when the Senkaku issue was broached in the third round of summit talks Sept. 27, 1972, Zhou Enlai said he did not "want to talk about it this time." He was quoted as later adding, "It's no good to talk about this now."

In Japan, however, the widely held perception is that the Chinese leader "is not understood to have used the word 'shelve,' " a former Japanese diplomat said.

During the normalization talks, "Premier Zhou suggested solving (the territorial dispute) in future intergovernmental peace negotiations, and Prime Minister Tanaka agreed," Zhou Bin said.

In a speech in June, former Chinese State Councilor Tang Jiaxua, who wields strong influence over Sino-Japanese relations, said that during the 1972 negotiations the two sides "reached an important understanding, namely 'to set the issue aside for a while, and leave it to the next generation' " to resolve.

Japan denies the existence of any territorial dispute with China.

 

[chuckyworld]

Japan, will never admit it, their banzai spirit will never allow them to admit any wrong.....cantonese ( sei gai yang fun koi) saying dead chicken still kicking cooker lid.

 

[Television]

Talk so much for fuck? What generation chink are you? Your ancestor ran away from china, REMEMBER THAT. Don't yaya papaya just because China is up there now.

 

[Sideswipe]

Mr Zhou Enlai was the ultimate keling snake during that time.

 

[@rmadill0]

Actually talk so much also no use lah. Just war!

 

[Liquigas]

Zhou said that way back in 1972 and Deng repeated the same thing sometime in the late 1980s that the Senkaku issue be resolved by leaders not of the present generation but by future generations of both countries. Think now is still not the time yet, maybe they can sit down and start talking only in 2030 and after...

 

[syed putra]

japan should do the right thing by invading and raping the chinese because that is the only language they understand. After all, the monggolians did this 800 years ago and probably every china man has monggolian blood in his veins. Its time to impregnate japanese blood in chinese veins.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

japan should do the right thing by invading and raping the chinese because that is the only language they understand. After all, the monggolians did this 800 years ago and probably every china man has monggolian blood in his veins. Its time to impregnate japanese blood in chinese veins.

jeepun kia got so much sperm to impregnate so many mei meis bo?

 

[KoalaJack]

china so huge and have problems...why add more problems with these 2 islands?

 

[Sideswipe]

china so huge and have problems...why add more problems with these 2 islands?

the Chinese govt can build up the nationalist spirit, inspire patriotism among her people through all this. useful islands for political wayang.

 

[drifter]

The truest grace is not to forgive, but to have never found fault. Nobody wanted to be with a person who constantly reminds you of the things u have done even u already apologize .

 

[chuckyworld]

The truest grace is not to forgive, but to have never found fault. Nobody wanted to be with a person who constantly reminds you of the things u have done even u already apologize .

Would you want to be with a person , who rape and torture but deny they ever did it, like Rape of Nanjing ever happen, is that ok?

'No massacre in Nanking,' Japanese lawmakers say.

Former Justice Minister Shigeto Nagano denied that the massacre had occurred, claiming it was a Chinese fabrication.

Professor Ienaga Saburo spent many years fighting the Japanese government in the courts with only limited success for not allowing true accounts of Japanese war atrocities to be given in school textbooks.

There is also opposition to the idea among ordinary Japanese people. A film called Don't Cry Nanjing was made by Chinese and Hong Kong film-makers in 1995 but it was several years before it was shown in Japan.

 

[drifter]

Would you want to be with a person , who rape and torture but deny they ever did it, like Rape of Nanjing ever happen, is that ok?

'No massacre in Nanking,' Japanese lawmakers say.

Former Justice Minister Shigeto Nagano denied that the massacre had occurred, claiming it was a Chinese fabrication.

Professor Ienaga Saburo spent many years fighting the Japanese government in the courts with only limited success for not allowing true accounts of Japanese war atrocities to be given in school textbooks.

There is also opposition to the idea among ordinary Japanese people. A film called Don't Cry Nanjing was made by Chinese and Hong Kong film-makers in 1995 but it was several years before it was shown in Japan.

If those ah tiong can fake astronaut walking in space .... They even can product video I start to wonder http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/42_S4.pdf

 

[halsey02]

Would you want to be with a person , who rape and torture but deny they ever did it, like Rape of Nanjing ever happen, is that ok?

'No massacre in Nanking,' Japanese lawmakers say.

Former Justice Minister Shigeto Nagano denied that the massacre had occurred, claiming it was a Chinese fabrication.

Professor Ienaga Saburo spent many years fighting the Japanese government in the courts with only limited success for not allowing true accounts of Japanese war atrocities to be given in school textbooks.

There is also opposition to the idea among ordinary Japanese people. A film called Don't Cry Nanjing was made by Chinese and Hong Kong film-makers in 1995 but it was several years before it was shown in Japan.

Both sides have blood on their hands, be fair about this. Who let in the Japanese into China? our brothers!!, who sold their country!. The communists killed many people during the cultural revolution & Tian An Men protest!?

Who doesn't have ancestors who were killed by the Japanese, can that be erased, no? but, the Chinese have blood on their hands too...

 

[drifter]

Both sides have blood on their hands, be fair about this. Who let in the Japanese into China? our brothers!!, who sold their country!. The communists killed many people during the cultural revolution & Tian An Men protest!?

Who doesn't have ancestors who were killed by the Japanese, can that be erased, no? but, the Chinese have blood on their hands too...

Even Mao Ze "tiong " also say he thanks Japan for the war

 

[drifter]

Mao Ze "tiong " also killed many of his fellow ah tiong but now all the ah tiong still treat him like god .. Talking about double standard

 

[drifter]

Actually talk so much also no use lah. Just war!

There will be no war , trust me . Money more important nowadays

 

[halsey02]

Mao Ze "tiong " also killed many of his fellow ah tiong but now all the ah tiong still treat him like god .. Talking about double standard

This is an old saying, but I am sure you would have heard it one time or the other, "For Money, the Chinese will sell anything, even their________"

 

[drifter]

This is an old saying, but I am sure you would have heard it one time or the other, "For Money, the Chinese will sell anything, even their________"

Hahahah .... True .. Very true .. No more Confucius Liao

 

[chuckyworld]

If those ah tiong can fake astronaut walking in space .... They even can product video I start to wonder http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/42_S4.pdf

As horrible as it was it could have been worse, but thanks to the foreigners in the Nanking Safety Zone, 200,000 Chinese were protected. The outsiders’ leader was John Rabe; a German business man who, thanks to his Nazi Party affiliation, was able to exert pressure on the Japanese to stay out of the area, for Berlin and Tokyo had signed what was basically an anti Soviet Union pact the year before. In addition Robert O. Wilson, a Harvard graduated American born in Nanking, who was the only surgeon remaining to care for thousands of casualties , and Minnie Vautrin, an American missionary and teacher who furiously protected the lives and honor of Nanking's women, are also worthy of praise.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch21-3.htm
Thanks, so it is ok to rape and torture and invade your home, and later on turn around and deny it that itnever happen and the apologise make wasn't sincere at all.

If we take the witness statement of german and american they must be telling lie to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/223038.stm

Scarred by history: The Rape of Nanjing

Thousands of bodies were buried in ditches

Based on estimates made by historians and charity organisations in the city at the time, between 250,000 and 300,000 people were killed, many of them women and children.

The number of women raped was said by Westerners who were there to be 20,000, and there were widespread accounts of civilians being hacked to death.
Yet many Japanese officials and historians deny there was a massacre on such a scale.

They admit that deaths and rapes did occur, but say they were on a much smaller scale than reported. And in any case, they argue, these things happen in times of war.
Japanese papers reported competitions among junior officers to kill the most Chine
There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today
Minnie Vautrin
US woman in Nanjing
One Japanese newspaper correspondent saw lines of Chinese being taken for execution on the banks of the Yangtze River, where he saw piles of burned corpses.

Photographs from the time, now part of an exhibition in the city, show Japanese soldiers standing, smiling, among heaps of dead bodies.

Tillman Durdin of the New York Times reported the early stages of the massacre before being forced to leave.

He later wrote: "I was 29 and it was my first big story for the New York Times. So I drove down to the waterfront in my car. And to get to the gate I had to just climb over masses of bodies accumulated there."

"The car just had to drive over these dead bodies. And the scene on the river front, as I waited for the launch... was of a group of smoking, chattering Japanese officers overseeing the massacring of a battalion of Chinese captured troops."

"They were marching about in groups of about 15, machine-gunning them."

As he departed, he saw 200 men being executed in 10 minutes to the apparent enjoyment of Japanese military spectators.

He concluded that the rape of Nanjing was "one of the great atrocities of modern times".

'The memories cannot be erased'

A Christian missionary, John Magee, described Japanese soldiers as killing not only "every prisoner they could find but also a vast number of ordinary citizens of all ages".

"Many of them were shot down like the hunting of rabbits in the streets," he said.

Some victims were reportedly buried alive

After what he described as a week of murder and rape, the Rev Magee joined other Westerners in trying to set up an international safety zone.

Another who tried to help was an American woman, Minnie Vautrin, who kept a diary which has been likened to that of Anne Frank.

Her entry for 16 December reads: "There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today. Thirty girls were taken from the language school [where she worked] last night, and today I have heard scores of heartbreaking stories of girls who were taken from their homes last night - one of the girls was but 12 years old."

Later, she wrote: "How many thousands were mowed down by guns or bayoneted we shall probably never know. For in many cases oil was thrown over their bodies and then they were burned."

"Charred bodies tell the tales of some of these tragedies. The events of the following ten days are growing dim. But there are certain of them that lifetime will not erase from my memory and the memories of those who have been in Nanjing through this period."

Minnie Vautrin suffered a nervous breakdown in 1940 and returned to the US. She committed suicide in 1941.

Also horrified at what he saw was John Rabe, a German who was head of the local Nazi party.

He became leader of the international safety zone and recorded what he saw, some of it on film, but this was banned by the Nazis when he returned to Germany.

He wrote about rape and other brutalities which occurred even in the middle of the supposedly protected area.

Confession and denial

After the Second World War was over, one of the Japanese soldiers who was in Nanjing spoke about what he had seen.