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Goh Meng Seng's Tampines Journey - Watch this Space

scroobal

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Feedback and comments received are vital for the government.

The most common complain is still the influx of foreign workers. Even those aunties who work in coffeeshops, normally indifferent to politics, are voicing their discontentment against this influx of foreign workers who are competing against their jobs, suppressing their wages. Many jobless people are also blaming the foreign workers for displacing them. The ANGER from the ground is REAL.

The Malay ground is shifting. Never before have I met YOUNG MALAY PROFESSIONALS willing to approach us to talk about the problems their community faced in the past. But this time round, they took their own initiative to do that, although in a more private way. FT policy and Housing woes are two main issues that are affecting their community adversely. Young Malay couples are finding it difficult to buy any HDB flats and the frustration is turning into anger.

I have never felt so close to the Malay community as they are more forthcoming, willing to listen and support us after we reason it out how Mah BT's HDB policy is going to affect the younger and future generations. They would even willing to offer information about how some of their relatives who need to have a few families living in one single flat. And they are pretty aware about some of their fellow Malays have become homeless campers as well. (Yeah, I know after PAP read this one, they will go into knee jerk action to talk and provide goodies to the Malay community. It will be the leverage effect....)

Although there are a great amount of anger on the ground, generally speaking Singaporeans are still rational in choosing who they will support. Contrary to PAP's worries about "protest votes", I feel that Singaporeans are more matured, rational and choosy when it comes to voting. The fact that we need to do a bit of sales talk and explanation on why Mah BT and HDB policy have to go before they are convinced in supporting us (as in buying our papers as a show of support) is a sign of discretion and rational assessment process. Especially so for our fellow Malay brothers and sisters. It has never been easy to sell our papers to them or getting their endorsement in the past. But this time round, they are willing to give us a chance.

There are of course some skeptics as well as the die hard PAP supporters. The skeptics will ask sharp and analytical questions. It would be a challenge to win them over with a strong foundation of policy and economic knowledge but not impossible at all. Even if they are not totally convinced, but if you show the ability to engage meaningfully on the issues raised, they will still support you in the end. This is a time consuming process. As for the die hard PAP supporters, surprisingly they lack depth in their reasoning. Purely shortsighted views as well as the rhetoric of past success of PAP. Normally I will leave them alone.

I feel that if there is going to be a break through, the main thrust will come from a big swing in the Malay community support. Especially from the young and educated Malay couples and professionals. They are more independent in their assessment of things and views. The middle ground is also shifting subtly. The two key issues are still FT policy and HDB policy.

Interesting enough, even the elderly ones are showing discontent when they are not affected by FT and HDB policies directly. This has to do with rising healthcare cost and some other factors.

Generally speaking, there is a certain percentage of people who will choose to support only certain opposition parties. They will make sure we are from the category of opposition parties before they show their support.

When I go around, I actually feel a bit sad about the whole thing. While the present situation on the ground is naturally an "advantage" for opposition parties, but I think there are too much anger and negativity among the usually silent majority. A nation totally neglected of the people's welfare. A people who are basically pushed to the corners by the ruling party's inconsiderate policies. It is even more important for us, as opposition members, to use our leverage to extract a better deal from PAP government for our people.

A candidate who only thinks about how to win the elections may not win at all in the end. This is because the head and mind are totally misplaced and misunderstood the fundamental basis of power. One could only win if and only if his head and mind are put on how to extract a better deal for the people from this ultra-capitalist ruling party. Many conservative opposition members always like to "keep the cards close to their hearts" so that PAP will not know about what issues they will raise to try to win votes. To me, this can no longer work for the new generation of voters. They want to see how opposition members work for them.... not literally in writing letters and doing charity work for the needy and poor. But in terms of how they could articulate and putting the spurs deeper into the ruling party's hides to make them work harder.

Of course, revealing the "cards" early would mean PAP will have time to react or even find ways to counter argue against us. So be it. If they reacted as in the ways of Mah BT's HDB to right the wrongs of their policies, we would have fulfilled our role as an effective opposition...i.e. providing the effective checks and balances to the ruling party. If by doing so, will not make us win enough votes to get into parliament, so be it. We have done our part and play our role. In time to come, we will just fade away politically.

Of course, if our supporters are motivated enough to help us spread our message through their virtual as well as real life networks, it may just help us better. If not, then it is our failure of leadership to motivate them to become our more proactive supporters as in campaigners. Although we are working against a PAP controlled environment, especially the main stream media, there are ways to win this war if our supporters are motivated campaigners. (BTW, the Chinese Zaobao has just refused to publish our rebuttal to some unreasonable slant against us, accusing us to be "opportunists")

This is the way I am going to conduct politics from now on. Totally different from the traditional conservative ways. When the time is up, I will just follow my higher calling some day.

Goh Meng Seng
 

kingrant

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Dear GMS,

All very well intentioned indeed and I truly wish you success. I do have nagging fears that at the end of it all, people will become victim of the Stockholm syndrome and just fall back into the PAP's lap. Like a jilted lover, the victim being the people who felt jilted after they have been treated rather well materially. each loving gesture, each shadow of a smile, each wink, reminds the victim of those fond memories and torments the poor victim into an emotional tussle - to run back to him, or to go with a new partner.
 

sinren67

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..Many conservative opposition members always like to "keep the cards close to their hearts" so that PAP will not know about what issues they will raise to try to win votes. To me, this can no longer work for the new generation of voters...>

That's exactly what i said for years. I know one opp party that always Keep their "high profile" candidates in low profile; spring a surprise during GE campaign , e.g. create time bombs.

One setback on this tactics is that their candidates tend to lose their toughness, mind weaken, less robust, aggressiveness faded and debating skill lost. This is like soldiers only being trained on IPPT and SOC and then send them to battle fields when war occurred.
 

Highfalutin

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Dear GMS,

All very well intentioned indeed and I truly wish you success. I do have nagging fears that at the end of it all, people will become victim of the Stockholm syndrome and just fall back into the PAP's lap. Like a jilted lover, the victim being the people who felt jilted after they have been treated rather well materially. each loving gesture, each shadow of a smile, each wink, reminds the victim of those fond memories and torments the poor victim into an emotional tussle - to run back to him, or to go with a new partner.

You know how prostitution slaves syndicates work? Once they have their victims in their grasp, the first thing they'll do is to gang rape them continuously until their victims' spirits, self esteem are broken completely. They will become compliant as they feel there are no turning and going back options available. An inner sense of shame which they will try to hide by being feisty or acting nonchalant in some cases.

We had been raped and fucked time and time again by the PAP, forced to make money for them for a largess from their hands and saying thank you to them without being consciously aware of it. Perhaps we had become compliant prostitutes in our own way.
 

iamtalkinglah

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ALL SINGAPOREANS, MALAY, INDIAN, CHINESE, ETC SHOULD STAND UNITE.

Talk is cheap. Action speaks louder than words. So let me voice out what I think and you all, the experts decide whether it is worthwhile doing it.
(Pardon me for repeating some of the points I have said earlier in this forum.)

We are now living in the new age whereby information in the internet get transferred almost immediately. Do not underestimate the power of Netizens. First it was Ris Low's saga, then it was the Mcdonald's pig toy saga (and some might agree, Pastor Tan's saga) therefore I have the feeling that soon more and more people will know about the Gov't's bad policies. In order to speed up this process, maybe someone (from the opposition) could do up a video (funny theme) about it (FT and HDB problem) and let it get circulated in the internet, Facebook etc?
Identify the barriers and educate the public -> You need to address the public's fears.

The opposition parties should target not just Mah Bow Tan, but also Lee Hsien Loong. The real problem that we are facing now is the lax immigration policy. There are just too many FTs in Singapore and at direct competition with all levels of Singaporeans.

The HDB problem arises partly as a result of the lax immigration policy.

Both of these issues hits the heart of ALL SINGAPOREANS.

The FT issue is a nation wide issue, I am not sure why must it be constrained at only the Tampines constituency (using just the HDB issue).
Make this a nation wide issue. Sell this as a nation wide issue and then when it comes to the Tampines constituency, target MBT because of the HDB problem. You know what I mean?

Perhaps the oppositions could have a meeting together to discuss which constituency each party are targeting, in a way that all constituency are targeted.
 

kingrant

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That was what I told a poster that we're worse than prostitutes because we got fucked and have to pay for it. But he thot I was uttering rubbish oneliners.

We had been raped and fucked time and time again by the PAP, forced to make money for them for a largess from their hands and saying thank you to them without being consciously aware of it. Perhaps we had become compliant prostitutes in our own way.
 

Queen Seok Duk

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You know how prostitution slaves syndicates work? Once they have their victims in their grasp, the first thing they'll do is to gang rape them continuously until their victims' spirits, self esteem are broken completely. They will become compliant as they feel there are no turning and going back options available. An inner sense of shame which they will try to hide by being feisty or acting nonchalant in some cases.

I know you've watched Maggie Q's 'Naked Weapon', right ?
 

heartlander

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That was what I told a poster that we're worse than prostitutes because we got fucked and have to pay for it. But he thot I was uttering rubbish oneliners.

Just because another person posted a similar rubbish one-liner doesn't mean yours wasn't rubbish. Rubbish + rubbish = 2X rubbish, not less. Why still so sore man?
 

batman1

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that was what i told a poster that we're worse than prostitutes because we got fucked and have to pay for it. But he thot i was uttering rubbish oneliners.

the miw are one hell of a farking gang of sadists who keep farking the coward and greedy slaves and the coward and greedy slaves in return have got to say "thank you for farking me !!!" lol.lol.lol.
 

Highfalutin

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I know you've watched Maggie Q's 'Naked Weapon', right ?

God help us if we have to depend on just Hong Kong movies to know what goes on in this world!

There was this Thai teenager from the Thai countryside who was unwittingly sold into a prostitution syndicate. Rather than submitting to them, she jumped out of the apartment where she was held. She ended up paralysed for life but told the media drawn to her plight that she rather live life as a paraplegic than be meat for the rest of her life. She was hailed as a heroine by the Thai public and in some way raised the consciousness of Thai society to this shameful part of the country's ills. Things are much better now although prostitution syndicates still exist just as ah longs will continue to exist as long as the human race does.
 
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Highfalutin

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Just because another person posted a similar rubbish one-liner doesn't mean yours wasn't rubbish. Rubbish + rubbish = 2X rubbish, not less. Why still so sore man?

Rubbish is a question of opinion. Of yours, mine is outright. Taunting as flame bait to score points is so juvenile in adult discourse.
 

aurvandil

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Goh Meng Seng is one of those rare politicians who would rather do what is right rather than what is politically correct. This is in sharp contrast to our PAP MPs and Ministers who would do just about anything to stay in power. These include gerrymandering, defamation suits, mass media propaganda and other tactics more commonly associated with a Myanmar style junta than what is supposedly the most honest government in Asia. Small wonder that the white shirt and white pants which used to signify purity and honesty and now looked upon by many Singaporeans as a symbol of hypocrisy and corruption

The PAP has always justified their tactics as being necessary for the greater good of Singapore. The Singapore we see today is the lifetime work of MM Lee. He is determined it is left in the best possible hands. He has written and spoken many times of how Singaporeans must be protected from unscrupulous politicians who place their own interest above the interest of Singaporeans.

What however happens if the unscrupulous politicians are not the opposition who have been persecuted to the brink of extinction? What if the unscrupulous politicians are existing PAP Ministers and MPs? In the past 5 years, there have been many policy failures. Other than KBW, how many PAP Ministers and MPs have honestly stood up to admit their mistakes? By using the instruments of state to cover their failings and mistakes, aren’t the PAP Ministers and MPs looking after their own interests rather than the interest of Singaporeans? Haven’t they become the unscrupulous politicians that MM Lee sought to keep from power?

The elaborate recruitment system set up by the PAP is supposed to bring forward the best and brightest that Singapore has to offer. If the system is working as intended, then the PAP should have nothing to fear from opposition politicians like Goh Meng Seng. Goh Meng Seng has challenged Mr Mah to a policy debate many times. Why is Mr Mah running away? What can we say about a system that repeatedly produces PAP politicians who cannot stand on their own and win in a fair election?

MM Lee once said that if he saw something wrong in Singapore, he would rise from the grave to correct it. MM Lee is not dead yet but there is already something seriously wrong with Singapore. His greatest legacy to Singaporeans would be to enforce free and fair elections before he leaves us. For the upcoming election, let it be a fair competition to see who are the best people to carry on MM Lee’s work, Given his advanced age, this is probably MM Lee’s last chance to do this. If the PAP adopts similar tactics as in previous elections, then it is likely that the same group of PAP politicians will be returned to power. Policy mistakes will continue to be made and then covered up. The Singapore which MM Lee worked so hard to build up will continue its current decay and eventually be destroyed.
 

heartlander

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Rubbish is a question of opinion. Of yours, mine is outright. Taunting as flame bait to score points is so juvenile in adult discourse.

And of course, using prostitution and rape as an analogy is the height of maturity when you are the one doing it :smile: I bet this is how you teach your unfortunate kids. Seriously, go get a mirror if you can afford one
 

Highfalutin

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And of course, using prostitution and rape as an analogy is the height of maturity when you are the one doing it :smile: I bet this is how you teach your unfortunate kids. Seriously, go get a mirror if you can afford one

I got you where I wanted you to be in the first place.lol
 

sincitizen

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This Goh Meng Seng just talking nonsense here...

He criticize Mah B T on the HDB policy, but what alternative he has to bring down housing price and stuff?

And you think taking out Mah B T means taking out HDB policy? HDB policy is government's policy not MAh B T's.

Opposition can only whine, they have NO alternative SOLID solution to whatever problem there is.

PAP WILL BE THE NEXT, NEXT, NEXT,........GOVERNMENT TO RULE SG.
No one can change that! PEROID.
 

yellow_people

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The minister specific policy that GMS touts is utter nonsense. For all anyone knows, MBT might not even contest Tampines or Tampines might not even be there. So what will GMS do then?

GMS like every Chink extremist is looking to capitalize on the PAP failure. Please note that this is one Chink that is worse than that political clown Harsban Singh. At least when that bayi talked about free medical and free transport with no NS everyone knew he was joking. Can we trust this Chink GMS.

Now who the fuck is the president of NSP? And will someone be kind enough to list the dumb Malay that still swear by NSP and is a member? I would like to have a chat with the poor SOB.




This Goh Meng Seng just talking nonsense here...

He criticize Mah B T on the HDB policy, but what alternative he has to bring down housing price and stuff?

And you think taking out Mah B T means taking out HDB policy? HDB policy is government's policy not MAh B T's.

Opposition can only whine, they have NO alternative SOLID solution to whatever problem there is.

PAP WILL BE THE NEXT, NEXT, NEXT,........GOVERNMENT TO RULE SG.
No one can change that! PEROID.
 

sampierre

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Dear Moderator,

I STORNGLY OBJECT TO THIS FORUM PARTICIPANT CALLED YELLOW_PEOPLE 'S RACIST TAUNTS IN THIS FORUM. PLEASE GIVE HIM A STERN WARNING OR ELSE I HAVE A GOOD MIND TO REPORT HIM TO THE POLICE.

THANK YOU.
 

Debonerman

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Dear Moderator,

I STORNGLY OBJECT TO THIS FORUM PARTICIPANT CALLED YELLOW_PEOPLE 'S RACIST TAUNTS IN THIS FORUM. PLEASE GIVE HIM A STERN WARNING OR ELSE I HAVE A GOOD MIND TO REPORT HIM TO THE POLICE.

THANK YOU.

Here we go again, let him speak his mind! He is not spamming is he? Or you support an agenda to steer this forum into a direction set by the most active? Where is the difference from the PAP diabolic? You have a choice here to put him on ignore.:mad:
 
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