Goh Meng Seng's Tampines Journey - Watch this Space

[yellow_people]

Dear Moderator,

I STORNGLY OBJECT TO THIS FORUM PARTICIPANT CALLED YELLOW_PEOPLE 'S RACIST TAUNTS IN THIS FORUM. PLEASE GIVE HIM A STERN WARNING OR ELSE I HAVE A GOOD MIND TO REPORT HIM TO THE POLICE.

THANK YOU.

Please go ahead and make your report. I don't see your objection when the Chinks refer to my mother's private parts after losing an argument here. And please in future use sentence case. Its a lot easier to read.

 

[scroobal]

Just ignore him. Don't bother to engage someone who does not have the values or the upbringing to discuss serious issues without reciprocating in a like and decent manner.

Dear Moderator,

I STORNGLY OBJECT TO THIS FORUM PARTICIPANT CALLED YELLOW_PEOPLE 'S RACIST TAUNTS IN THIS FORUM. PLEASE GIVE HIM A STERN WARNING OR ELSE I HAVE A GOOD MIND TO REPORT HIM TO THE POLICE.

THANK YOU.

 

[dunbluffme]

MBT very selfish... All the SG lands he used leow for his monthly Flat Building KPI... The next minister taking over him surely KPKB for leaving behind no land for him to build Leow....

Goh Meng Seng
Alfrescian (S)

Feedback and comments received are vital for the government.

The most common complain is still the influx of foreign workers. Even those aunties who work in coffeeshops, normally indifferent to politics, are voicing their discontentment against this influx of foreign workers who are competing against their jobs, suppressing their wages. Many jobless people are also blaming the foreign workers for displacing them. The ANGER from the ground is REAL.

The Malay ground is shifting. Never before have I met YOUNG MALAY PROFESSIONALS willing to approach us to talk about the problems their community faced in the past. But this time round, they took their own initiative to do that, although in a more private way. FT policy and Housing woes are two main issues that are affecting their community adversely. Young Malay couples are finding it difficult to buy any HDB flats and the frustration is turning into anger.

I have never felt so close to the Malay community as they are more forthcoming, willing to listen and support us after we reason it out how Mah BT's HDB policy is going to affect the younger and future generations. They would even willing to offer information about how some of their relatives who need to have a few families living in one single flat. And they are pretty aware about some of their fellow Malays have become homeless campers as well. (Yeah, I know after PAP read this one, they will go into knee jerk action to talk and provide goodies to the Malay community. It will be the leverage effect....)

Although there are a great amount of anger on the ground, generally speaking Singaporeans are still rational in choosing who they will support. Contrary to PAP's worries about "protest votes", I feel that Singaporeans are more matured, rational and choosy when it comes to voting. The fact that we need to do a bit of sales talk and explanation on why Mah BT and HDB policy have to go before they are convinced in supporting us (as in buying our papers as a show of support) is a sign of discretion and rational assessment process. Especially so for our fellow Malay brothers and sisters. It has never been easy to sell our papers to them or getting their endorsement in the past. But this time round, they are willing to give us a chance.

There are of course some skeptics as well as the die hard PAP supporters. The skeptics will ask sharp and analytical questions. It would be a challenge to win them over with a strong foundation of policy and economic knowledge but not impossible at all. Even if they are not totally convinced, but if you show the ability to engage meaningfully on the issues raised, they will still support you in the end. This is a time consuming process. As for the die hard PAP supporters, surprisingly they lack depth in their reasoning. Purely shortsighted views as well as the rhetoric of past success of PAP. Normally I will leave them alone.

I feel that if there is going to be a break through, the main thrust will come from a big swing in the Malay community support. Especially from the young and educated Malay couples and professionals. They are more independent in their assessment of things and views. The middle ground is also shifting subtly. The two key issues are still FT policy and HDB policy.

Interesting enough, even the elderly ones are showing discontent when they are not affected by FT and HDB policies directly. This has to do with rising healthcare cost and some other factors.

Generally speaking, there is a certain percentage of people who will choose to support only certain opposition parties. They will make sure we are from the category of opposition parties before they show their support.

When I go around, I actually feel a bit sad about the whole thing. While the present situation on the ground is naturally an "advantage" for opposition parties, but I think there are too much anger and negativity among the usually silent majority. A nation totally neglected of the people's welfare. A people who are basically pushed to the corners by the ruling party's inconsiderate policies. It is even more important for us, as opposition members, to use our leverage to extract a better deal from PAP government for our people.

A candidate who only thinks about how to win the elections may not win at all in the end. This is because the head and mind are totally misplaced and misunderstood the fundamental basis of power. One could only win if and only if his head and mind are put on how to extract a better deal for the people from this ultra-capitalist ruling party. Many conservative opposition members always like to "keep the cards close to their hearts" so that PAP will not know about what issues they will raise to try to win votes. To me, this can no longer work for the new generation of voters. They want to see how opposition members work for them.... not literally in writing letters and doing charity work for the needy and poor. But in terms of how they could articulate and putting the spurs deeper into the ruling party's hides to make them work harder.

Of course, revealing the "cards" early would mean PAP will have time to react or even find ways to counter argue against us. So be it. If they reacted as in the ways of Mah BT's HDB to right the wrongs of their policies, we would have fulfilled our role as an effective opposition...i.e. providing the effective checks and balances to the ruling party. If by doing so, will not make us win enough votes to get into parliament, so be it. We have done our part and play our role. In time to come, we will just fade away politically.

Of course, if our supporters are motivated enough to help us spread our message through their virtual as well as real life networks, it may just help us better. If not, then it is our failure of leadership to motivate them to become our more proactive supporters as in campaigners. Although we are working against a PAP controlled environment, especially the main stream media, there are ways to win this war if our supporters are motivated campaigners. (BTW, the Chinese Zaobao has just refused to publish our rebuttal to some unreasonable slant against us, accusing us to be "opportunists")

This is the way I am going to conduct politics from now on. Totally different from the traditional conservative ways. When the time is up, I will just follow my higher calling some day.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[QXD]

Who? Your pappy dog swine bapok chow ah kua sisters from Changi Point?

isn't your gang ardent stalkers and fans of gohmengseng? u should be posting about his yellow van, his shop, his mum, his mistress and all his daily activities and keep everyone updated.

if gohmengseng wins a GRC or a SMC, someone ( or the gang) is going to be very pissed and unhappily jealous.

 

[Ramseth]

Goh Meng Seng's Tampines Journey? Sounds like Journey To The East for the holy scriptures, or grail.

 

[kingrant]

I see the twit is at it again! Best is to ignore his rubbish. Somebody shld sweep him up.

Rubbish is a question of opinion. Of yours, mine is outright. Taunting as flame bait to score points is so juvenile in adult discourse.

 

[kitelover3112]

If targeting MBT and his HDB policies are high on your agenda then I believe you're being one-dimensional and not listening to the ground well enough. The Malay community is facing problems not only in buying homes. They also face the issues of teenage pregnancies, high divorce rates and high birth rate when their incomes are low amongst others.

What are your plans to tackle these problems GMS??? Don't just focus on one bloody issue and just hype it up like a bad record. If you're sincere to work with the Malays, you would know their problems and find ways to help them, not just focus on issues of housing.

 

[jw5]

If targeting MBT and his HDB policies are high on your agenda then I believe you're being one-dimensional and not listening to the ground well enough. The Malay community is facing problems not only in buying homes. They also face the issues of teenage pregnancies, high divorce rates and high birth rate when their incomes are low amongst others.

What are your plans to tackle these problems GMS??? Don't just focus on one bloody issue and just hype it up like a bad record. If you're sincere to work with the Malays, you would know their problems and find ways to help them, not just focus on issues of housing.

Isn't there a ministar in charge of solving these problems?

 

[IR123]

There is a need to be fair, to all politicians. How will electing an opposition MP make teenage pregnancies go away? How will electing a PAP MP do the same?

Teenage pregnancies are the result of a failure in the family. The parents' values are either problematic or they did not transmit good values to their own children. The solution therefore start with the family. At the political level, the Minister of Community Development might monitor it but what else can he do? Give money to the teenagers so that they will not have unprotected sex? Give them enough money so that they will have an incentive to remain virgins?

High divorce rates are similarly the problem of the couples. Their values and attitudes suck. They should solve their own problems instead of blaming the MP.

High birth rate can be the result of their religious values - that children are a blessing. Thus the resolution must come from their own religious leaders. At the most, the MP can recommend they use condoms but that may not go well with them. Certainly the MP cannot have unmarried couples in close proximity arrested.

Low income versus that of other races. Seem to be a recurrent theme. Other races are not struggling? In some of their weddings and religious services, the whole road is parked with cars. Their weddings are more and more lavish and extravagant. With so much value-added given, how much more is needed?

I feel that every Singaporean, regardless of race and religion, face the problems of unwanted teenage pregnancies, divorce rates, either too high or too low birth rates and feelings of being poor. Except for the last point, the rest should be tackled at the family level. It is the responsibilty of the family to look after their own children, marriage and parents. Not the MP.

For the last point, the MPs can talk about inflation, jobs and economy. Yesterday papers say that due to a revision of inflation computation, the figures will be now lower than before. The gini coefficient is also narrowing. That's their response. Did you hear about the Oppositions' response?

Know that this is a Singaporean issue, not a racial issue - foreign talents, inflation, jobs, economy, eroding income. It is not about prospering a racial group but all Singaporeans (which today will include more races than we can count on two hands).

Which brings me back to the question: what had been the oppositions' response so far? WP talked about job credits. SDA talk about ???. The question then is: Can GMS do better? If yes, give him a chance. If not, label him in the same category as SDA.

Then if your psyche is such that an opposition has value just because he stands for election against the PAP, then vote for him. Never mind if he just sits on his arse for the next five years.

And if your psyche is that an opposition must demonstrate value, then vote to bring in good oppositions and cast out the ineffective, incompetent and inefficient to the wilderness.

That's your choice and your right as a citizen.

But note, low income is not a racial issue. It is a singaporean issue that affects all races.

 

[aurvandil]

Did you hear about the Oppositions' response?

For the past 2 months, Goh Meng Seng has been calling for a policy debate with Mr Mah. Mr Mah has ignored him and instead issued a press release with "funny numbers".

Whose fault is it then you don't hear about the Oppositions' reponse?

 

[IR123]

For the past 2 months, Goh Meng Seng has been calling for a policy debate with Mr Mah. Mr Mah has ignored him and instead issued a press release with "funny numbers".

Whose fault is it then you don't hear about the Oppositions' reponse?

I don't know. Frankly a part of me had given up that the oppositions can make any difference.

 

[Hawkeye1819]

I don't know. Frankly a part of me had given up that the oppositions can make any difference.

Be patient. I think GMS is on the right track. The breakthroughs don't come in mega leaps but in small steps like this one, in the right direction.

 

[sampierre]

[QUOTE=Hawkeye1819;407747]Be patient. I think GMS is on the right track. The breakthroughs don't come in mega leaps but in small steps like this one, in the right direction.[/QUOTE]

HOW CAN GOH MENG SENG BE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WHEN HE HAD OPENLY ENDORSED THE NON-CONSTITUENCY MP SCHEME ??

THERES IS NO NEED FOR MAHBORO TAN TO ENGAGE GMS IN A PUBLIC DEBATE WHEN GMS IS HAPPY JUST TO GET 35% OF THE VOTES IN TAMPINES.

I HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THIS "TAKING SMALL STEPS FOR THE OPPOSITION" CRAP SINCE THE YR 2001 ELECTIONS TILL NOW.
THE CHINESE SAY" WAIT LONG LONG" !!!

 

[scroobal]

Now you know why 99% of politician don't bother engaging people on the net. You keep harping on the same thing. No one can meet all your requirements. Just don't vote for him if he upsets you so much. Just vote for Mah.

[QUOTE=Hawkeye1819;407747]Be patient. I think GMS is on the right track. The breakthroughs don't come in mega leaps but in small steps like this one, in the right direction.

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[SneeringTree]

HOW CAN GOH MENG SENG BE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WHEN HE HAD OPENLY ENDORSED THE NON-CONSTITUENCY MP SCHEME ??

THERES IS NO NEED FOR MAHBORO TAN TO ENGAGE GMS IN A PUBLIC DEBATE WHEN GMS IS HAPPY JUST TO GET 35% OF THE VOTES IN TAMPINES.

I HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THIS "TAKING SMALL STEPS FOR THE OPPOSITION" CRAP SINCE THE YR 2001 ELECTIONS TILL NOW.
THE CHINESE SAY" WAIT LONG LONG" !!!

You sound as if GMS has publicly endorsed the slaughter of kittens. The NCMP is not a bad scheme as it puts election candidates in parliament. The scheme can be the basis to evolve our parliament to a hybrid proportional representational one.

Moreover, okaying the NCMP scheme does not mean that one does not want to win the election! Saying I don't mind winning the consolation prize of $65 in the 4D lottery does not mean (a) I will reject the top prize of $2000 and (b) I am not aiming for the top prize!

You think that the NCMP is the devil's spawn, but that's your own position. They are others who strongly disagree with you, as are others who would agree with you.

 

[sampierre]

You sound as if GMS has publicly endorsed the slaughter of kittens. The NCMP is not a bad scheme as it puts election candidates in parliament. The scheme can be the basis to evolve our parliament to a hybrid proportional representational one.
Moreover, okaying the NCMP scheme does not mean that one does not want to win the election! Saying I don't mind winning the consolation prize of $65 in the 4D lottery does not mean (a) I will reject the top prize of $2000 and (b) I am not aiming for the top prize!

Dear Tree,

Please explain how the NCMP scheme, which is devised ONLY by the PAP govt without consultation with the Opposition, can SLOWLY evolve into a proportional representation Parliamentary system??? In 50 years' time??

WHY WOULD THE PAP WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR 95% CONTROL OF PARLIAMENT THRU THE FIRST-PAST-THE-POST SYSTEM IN FAVOUR OF A PROPORTIONAL REP SYSTEM ???

Your example of the 4D lottery is totally frivolous, and distracts us from the REAL issue about winning an election. Please read by previous posts on why Opposition candidates should NOT throw in the towel even before the fight has begun.

 

[sampierre]

[QUOTE=scroobal;408434]Now you know why 99% of politician don't bother engaging people on the net. You keep harping on the same thing. No one can meet all your requirements. Just don't vote for him if he upsets you so much. Just vote for Mah.
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Dear Moderator,

The problem doesn't lie with me, it's with Opposition candidates like GMS.
By just relying mainly on HDB policies and hoping to get a public debate with Mahboro Tan without doing any kind of grassroots work in TAMPINES, the electoral result is a foregone conclusion, as far as I'm concerned.

What I'm doing here is to point out GMS' shortcomings so that hopefully there's time for his NSP team to rectify them before GE is called for later this year.
I WANT NSP TEAM TO WIN AND ENTER PARLIAMENT THRU THE FRONT DOOR WITH THEIR HEADS HIGH. ONLY THEN CAN YOU TRULY PUT SPEARS INTO THE PAP'S BAKSIDES.

 

[3_M]

Dear Tree,

Please explain how the NCMP scheme, which is devised ONLY by the PAP govt without consultation with the Opposition, can SLOWLY evolve into a proportional representation Parliamentary system??? In 50 years' time??

WHY WOULD THE PAP WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR 95% CONTROL OF PARLIAMENT THRU THE FIRST-PAST-THE-POST SYSTEM IN FAVOUR OF A PROPORTIONAL REP SYSTEM ???

Your example of the 4D lottery is totally frivolous, and distracts us from the REAL issue about winning an election. Please read by previous posts on why Opposition candidates should NOT throw in the towel even before the fight has begun.

NCMP are only meant for the losers. Let discuss about it after the election when the outcome is known. It suicidal to talk about NCMP as we are already jumping to conclusion that GMS is going to lose. We should focus on what GMS can do as an MP rather as a NCMP.

Politicians everywhere need to campaign from a position of strength and not weakness.

 

[scroobal]

Agree.......

It suicidal to talk about NCMP as we are already jumping to conclusion that GMS is going to lose. We should focus on what GMS can do as an MP rather as a NCMP.

Politicians everywhere need to campaign from a position of strength and not weakness.

 

[SneeringTree]

Please read by previous posts on why Opposition candidates should NOT throw in the towel even before the fight has begun.

This will be my last response to you because you don't seem to get it. A willingness to accept a NCMP position does not mean that one does not want to be elected MP or that one won't try as hard to be elected.

I have not seen anything from you to show that a willingness to accept a NCMP position is to "throw in the towel" before the fight has begun.