Goh Meng Seng attacks Yaw Shin Leong on his blog

[aurvandil]

Well, just cross your fingers that no photos or any other concrete evidence surfaces. You got to pray very hard, really really very hard for that.

This incident has almost faded completely from view. Unlike Steve Chia's case, no evidence has emerged. Hence it will most likely be forgotten.

The enemies of YSL who started this should know this as well. Hence if the evidence does exisit, it should be deployed now. Failure to do so would suggest that the evidence does not exist.

As some bros have pointed out, the lack of evidence does not mean he is innocent. Moving forward, YSL should be aware that he has a big target painted on his back. If he wants to continue to be in politics, he will need to start to live like a monk. If he had been fooling around and continues to do so, he can count on evidence surfacing at the most inappropriate time.

On Hougang, it is a safe WP seat. The WP support there is based more around LTK rather than YSL. I watch political events rather carefully. Other than this incident, YSL has not made any major contribuitions. It is therefore no major loss if YSL is replaced with another candidate after his first term. My understanding is that after GE 2011, WP has managed to attract a large number of high calibre talent so there is no shortage whatsoever if WP really needs to do their own "internal disciplinary action".

 

[skponggol]

This incident has almost faded completely from view. Unlike Steve Chia's case, no evidence has emerged. Hence it will most likely be forgotten.

For the PAP, it is in their best interest that the incident is faded from public view....., at least for the moment. So that WP can be deluded into thinking that everything is ok and that YSL can still remain as a party leader and MP. If the rumour is true, with such flawed character in the party, it will be a cancer that will slowly destroy the party.

The enemies of YSL who started this should know this as well. Hence if the evidence does exisit, it should be deployed now. Failure to do so would suggest that the evidence does not exist.forgotten.

What will the enemies of WP gain by deploying the evidence now ? WP may be forced to sack YSL and a by-election be held which WP would most certainly retain comfortably by a candidate more qualified and formidable than YSL. Why should PAP want to replace a weak WP MP with a strong one ? Most probably, this evidence would be deployed 4 years down the road , just a few months/weeks/days before the next GE so that the maximum fatal damage can be brutally inflicted onto WP when they have no time to react. It'll also have a demoralizing domino effect on their other campiagn. Why should they deploy the evidence now, the trump card, with nothing to gain ?

As some bros have pointed out, the lack of evidence does not mean he is innocent. Moving forward, YSL should be aware that he has a big target painted on his back. If he wants to continue to be in politics, he will need to start to live like a monk. If he had been fooling around and continues to do so, he can count on evidence surfacing at the most inappropriate time..

With a big target hanging behind his back, how can he perform his parliament duty and consitutency duty as competent and confident as before ? His self-confidence would be constantly challenged and shaken. PAP would most certainly shine their limelight on him to make him become the face and voice of WP so as to tarnish the party image. He would be over-stress and over-pressured for constantly being scrutinised and examined.

On Hougang, it is a safe WP seat. The WP support there is based more around LTK rather than YSL. I watch political events rather carefully. Other than this incident, YSL has not made any major contribuitions. It is therefore no major loss if YSL is replaced with another candidate after his first term. My understanding is that after GE 2011, WP has managed to attract a large number of high calibre talent so there is no shortage whatsoever if WP really needs to do their own "internal disciplinary action".

By the time they replace him in the next GE, it will be too late. It is an admission of guilt and misjudgment. The people will question why the party take so long to make such a decision.

They may attract a large number of high calibre talents after GE2011, but after this incident, how many can they attract and retain ?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

As I have said, if this is church member's "self righteous" job, he or she would have exposed ALL the women but no, this is not the case. This is especially so when other church members had mentioned to TRE that this is "NOT the FIRST TIME"... why no mention on who is the one previously? Not the first time most probably referring to Yaw's first marriage. The other woman last time must be also from the same church!

WB= Whistle Blower. The one who send emails to ALL newspapers including TRE.

Insider back stabbing till this stage is more worrying to the party itself. It means that there is a BIG CANCEROUS tumor in there. You will never know when it will explode.

All signs are pointing at one direction. Nothing about attacking "integrity" of insects... if they really have any in the first place.

Goh Meng Seng

insider's job cannot be church goer job ??? church goers tend to be pretty self righteous !!!

what is WB btw???




you keep focusing on the internal bickering and internal scheming by members... no1 except an Opp insider will think so much ...


these "insects" used to be your comrades... at the very least being both in Opp .... you guys are suppose to be on the same side.....
I also heard that many of these insects cry like babies when they heard of your brother's death

its 1 thing to condemn their PR and media skills ... it is another to attack the integrity of the members with wild speculation ...

but dun stop because we are not kids, we can discern for ourselves what is good anallysis and what is speculation ........

 

[jw5]

Goddamn, i can't believe i voted for this wanker in 2006

You voted for WP with GMS in 2006. They lost.
you voted for WP without GMS in 2011. They won.
Cause for celebration.

 

[jw5]

Many people thought that its because of the argue of one GRC in GE2011 that make me angry. Well, I am totally entitled to be angry because WP has sent a third rate team there without any intention to fight to win there as compared to NSP's resolve to fight to win there.

And you would have sent a team there comprising one or more of yourself, Tony, Hazell, or Nicole?
You are actually lucky, because if LTK had sent himself or Sylvia there and ended up losing both Aljunied and MK, you would not even have to target elected opposition MPs now to piss off opposition supporters.

You have shown your true colours, which is that the quest of being an MP is simply about yourself.
Nothing to do with having a more balanced political scene, making the government more responsible and accountable, reducing pap power, having more voices for the people, or even simply having more elected opposition MPs.

One thing you don't seem to understand is that most of us are not really that interested or even bias towards individual opposition parties or individual candidates. The main goal is to make the government more accountable and peoples' lives better. We won't easily forget that you tried to be a stumbling block to that objective when the next GE comes around.

 

[LeMans2011]

And you would have sent a team there comprising one or more of yourself, Tony, Hazell, or Nicole?
You are actually lucky, because if LTK had sent himself or Sylvia there and ended up losing both Aljunied and MK, you would not even have to target elected opposition MPs now to piss off opposition supporters.

You have shown your true colours, which is that the quest of being an MP is simply about yourself.
Nothing to do with having a more balanced political scene, making the government more responsible and accountable, reducing pap power, having more voices for the people, or even simply having more elected opposition MPs.

One thing you don't seem to understand is that most of us are not really that interested or even bias towards individual opposition parties or individual candidates. The main goal is to make the government more accountable and peoples' lives better. We won't easily forget that you tried to be a stumbling block to that objective when the next GE comes around.

Goh Meng Seng is a forgotten character. One can see he tries really hard to remain relevant and remembered. The right thing to do is to put him on your ignore list.

 

[wikiphile]

You voted for WP with GMS in 2006. They lost.
you voted for WP without GMS in 2011. They won.
Cause for celebration.

and without the other clown James Gomez too, would have like to say 'couldn't say it better myself' but thats my two cents worth.

 

[zhihau]

you voted for WP without GMS in 2011. They won.
Cause for celebration.

splendid observation

 

[brocoli]

This incident has almost faded completely from view. Unlike Steve Chia's case, no evidence has emerged. Hence it will most likely be forgotten.

aurvandil, you are the worst of the lao ah pek here ... scoobal is only trying to avoid the issue but you, you are just mindlessly defending WP...

with Steve Chia, people dun really care because there was closure with police report, the husband and wife are still together...
even showed the press nude photos to the press... there was proper accounting..e only hurt was his wife...
he was the brightest opp prospect then but look at how far his star has fell since......

from now on, when people see Yaw, they not only see sex fiend... they also see coward, hypocrite and cheater... the 1st label wun kill him, the last 3 labels will

As I have said, if this is church member's "self righteous" job, he or she would have exposed ALL the women but no, this is not the case. This is especially so when other church members had mentioned to TRE that this is "NOT the FIRST TIME"... why no mention on who is the one previously? Not the first time most probably referring to Yaw's first marriage. The other woman last time must be also from the same church!

Insider back stabbing till this stage is more worrying to the party itself. It means that there is a BIG CANCEROUS tumor in there. You will never know when it will explode.

Goh Meng Seng

maybe the Whistle blower is close to the other woman like her fren and she dun wan sabo her fren and that is why sexpose Angela only ??? because Angela is a public figure and so must be sexpose for the public interest.....

I dunno why you keep blaming the rank and file unknow members...

if anything the BIG CANCEROUS tumor is the CEC, the party leadership... they didnt have the guys to act properly and deal with it professionally...

why dun you suggest removing this CANCEROUS party leadership... ??

the way I see it, you are a hypocrite for not daring to say the truth ... not daring to whack Low and Sylvia and just anyhow humtum some unknown insect...
cook up some conspiracy to bluff chewren...

even if your conspiracy theory is correct, that guy must be very senior to be jealous probably in the CEC and jealous got sideline...
why dun you dare to say that, why dun you say that party leadership has failed all opp and singaporeans...
you are also not acting professionally!!!

u wanna bet a plate of chakuaitiao? i say YSL is toast, and LTK will drop him in the next GE.

who's YSL? he's really a nobody.

if YSL is nobody? why not toast him now ??? why wait until GE and let them stir gao gao ?????

the best way to save Yaw now is to initiate full disciplinary inquiry, demote him to ordinary member

ask him to quit his seat and run for by-election.... even LKY quit his seat and went for by-election before,,,
let the media and public have their show ... because this what it is, 1 big wayang show,,,

after all is done and dusted... Yaw is bruised but still wiser... he still keep his MP seat... he is vindicated by the loyal hougang resident .... he will work slowly back into favour and become a CEC member after a lull

 

[SDPhopelessParty]

KNNBPCB, Singapore Dog Party

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I agree with the proposition made, the scandal will not kill off YSL or WP but the way they manage the crisis will affect them most politically.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[brocoli]

KNNBPCB, Singapore Dog Party

those who wan to protect Yaw and not let him to die are the real KNNBPCB, Singapore Dog Party

they know there is no point hanging Yaw now... they wan to whack him when it really hurt...

really is KNNBPCB, Singapore Dog Party

 

[aurvandil]

I agree with the proposition made, the scandal will not kill off YSL or WP but the way they manage the crisis will affect them most politically.

Given the circumstances, I think guys YSL and WP played this quite well. They correctly bet that those who started this would be unable or unwilling to produce evidence.

 

[scroobal]

Agree. ......

Given the circumstances, I think guys YSL and WP played this quite well. They correctly bet that those who started this would be unable or unwilling to produce evidence.

 

[captainxerox]

Given the circumstances, I think guys YSL and WP played this quite well. They correctly bet that those who started this would be unable or unwilling to produce evidence.

or perhaps would be exposed later. the sword of demacoles.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Frankly speaking, right now, from one perspective, it doesn't matter whether YSL and WP admit to the rumor or not because most people who read about their responses would come to the conclusion that YSL is guilty. The only difference between coming out to confirm or deny now is about the perception of transparency, accountability and integrity (honesty).

If YSL didn't comment, people will take it as he did it and he doesn't have the moral courage to admit it (regardless of whether the rumor is really true or not). The doubt on his integrity and moral courage will always be hanging up there. Furthermore, if the rumor is really true, there will be a risk that more compelling evidence would surface and if that happens, both YSL and WP's credibility will go down the drain: the doubt on their integrity would be confirmed.

If YSL come up and admit it (if it is true), he is just saying something everybody already knows but at the very least, he could savage that whatever little credibility left by being honest.

This is a very obvious cost and benefit analysis. Yes, it is a kind of head they lose, tail they also lose. But it is just a matter of losing how much.

Goh Meng Seng

Given the circumstances, I think guys YSL and WP played this quite well. They correctly bet that those who started this would be unable or unwilling to produce evidence.

 

[captainxerox]

This is a very obvious cost and benefit analysis. Yes, it is a kind of head they lose, tail they also lose. But it is just a matter of losing how much.

Goh Meng Seng

yup. precisely. that's what it is all about.

 

[Khun Ying Pojaman]

Frankly speaking, it doesn't matter whether YSL and WP admit to the rumor or not because most people who read about their responses would come to the conclusion that YSL is guilty. The only difference between coming out to confirm or deny now is about the perception of transparency, accountability and integrity (honesty).

Precisely !

 

[Perspective]

yup. precisely. that's what it is all about.

Looks like by now, perhaps everyone is resigned to the fact that the rumours could be true, hence I guess some people feel that keeping silent is better, some feel admitting it is better. Opinions are divided.

Personally for me speaking from political angle, silence is better because political costs are not as much or as damaging as curiousity costs. If admitting, you will stoke more stories by who the woman is, how they met or for some Sammyboy bros here, "where they did it" or "which position", the looks of both of them etc.

Look at SPP for example. Or RP, PKMS, SDA. All these parties had recent fallouts. SPP even kept the flame alive leading to 5 continuous days of news reports. But despite the fact that political costs are adding up, it still doesn't add up to a significant extent.

 

[wikiphile]

Looks like by now, perhaps everyone is resigned to the fact that the rumours could be true, hence I guess some people feel that keeping silent is better, some feel admitting it is better. Opinions are divided.

Personally for me speaking from political angle, silence is better because political costs are not as much or as damaging as curiousity costs. If admitting, you will stoke more stories by who the woman is, how they met or for some Sammyboy bros here, "where they did it" or "which position", the looks of both of them etc.

Look at SPP for example. Or RP, PKMS, SDA. All these parties had recent fallouts. SPP even kept the flame alive leading to 5 continuous days of news reports. But despite the fact that political costs are adding up, it still doesn't add up to a significant extent.

We all have short memories especially if it doesn't happen to us personally or on a grand scale (i.e. WWII). This will not be the first and not be the last. Ask a man on the street if he remembers Nassim Jade, Mrs Goh Chok Tong's 'peanut' comment or Steve Chia's photography hobbies?

I can assure you at least 4 won't remember, 3 needs refreshing, 2 don't care and 1 never heard of such a thing out of 10.

If GMS wants to bring this up 4 years later, it only means he likes to chew on bitten bones and not look for new ones. I am waiting and watching.