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Confuseous

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Ministerial salaries review committee to adopt very different model - CNA


SINGAPORE: The Chairman of the committee that's undertaking a review of ministerial salaries in Singapore, Mr Gerard Ee said his committee will adopt a very different model to assess how much ministers should be paid.

It will use job specifications of ministers as a starting point.

Currently, the salaries are benchmarked to two thirds of the median income of the top eight earners from six professions such as lawyers, in the private sector.

Speaking to Channel NewsAsia, Mr Ee said there should also be other points of reference, such as a general wage level.

This means when the economy goes up or down, the salaries should also have a mechanism to reflect this.

"The big difference is that this (model), you look at the work and you say 'for this work, for this skill, for this knowledge in the private sector, how much will you have to pay to have someone perform such a work?'," said Mr Ee.

"It's a very different model altogether."

Mr Ee said he accepted the role after he was approached by Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam less than a week ago.

He said: "I had to ask myself honestly, whether I would really be able to be neutral to it, and look at it very objectively like a professional. And when I was comfortable with that view, I accepted the appointment.

"Obviously, there is a trepidation, I know that this is a task that whatever the answer is, it will not please everybody, there will always be a difference of opinion and I know it is a job that is difficult and at the end of the day, you must be able to defend it robustly."

The 61-year-old, who is a familiar face in the charity sector, is Chairman of the National Kidney Foundation and Changi General Hospital.

He was also a former Nominated MP.

He said his committee will comprise independent-minded people, who are known to speak their minds.

He added that they also have the intellect to tackle such a major task.

Mr Ee said the committee will need to collect a lot of data involving experts in human resource.

It will come up with recommendations that still need to be robustly debated in parliament.

CONFUSEOUS says - THIS is going to be hilarious. I hope they broadcast this live, uncut. Can you imagine seeing Lim Shit Say arguing why he deserves his salary in his Choh Boh Ministry without Porfolio in the PM's office or Vivian inisisting that his salary be reduced further because he is now in a less important ministry or Bargain Hen threatening to go back to private practice if they really cut his pay?

Mr Ee added that the committee will not rush matters.

But any changes to the salary scales will take effect retrospectively from the day the ministers were sworn in (21 May).

"The inclination, obviously, once the PM (Lee) says to reflect the ethos and values of the political appointments, you can expect, that in all probability it will be a cut," said Mr Ee.
 
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I looked at the Committee and I said to myself, "Oh, full of pro-estab guys!" and I wondered whether there will be any crunching changes. You have one from the Council of Prez Advisors (!), Allen & Gledhill(!), Stephen Lee (!), Fang, inter alia..

And the C'ttee's TOR is to review comparability to private sector's pay levels. Why not international benchmarks of other countries? This tells me that the scope is already hemmed in.

Shall we then rely on Gerard Ee's sense of public service and spirit, LHL's remark on politics not being a job or career promotion, but of public service??

I hope we are not again being shortchanged by a sleight of hand.
 

kazuo

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Come on guys, you think this grand opera was only scripted yesterday?

Fat gerald is just one of the cogs in the papee juggernaut. The whole script was already cooking before the hustings, and they were watching closely how certain scenarios would turn out.

After Aljunied fell, they probably went with plan b, but they make it seem like everyday is a revelation of a new frontier.

Million dollars for great tale spinners
 
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scroobal

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Once I saw the list of committee members, I gave up. Everyone of them is tainted. One is the brother of a former PAP Cabinet Minister, one had a PHD from a degree mill and was exposed and the rest are the usual Govt batting team when it comes to "Independent" review committees. Even Lucien is the mentor of Shanmugam another cabinet Minister.

Its like asking Mas Selamat to look for Osama, and the rest of the country to hold their breath. Why not Tan Cheng Bock, Tan Soo Khoon and even Chiam See Tong now that he is out of politics. All qualified.

Mr John De Payva, president of the National Trades Union Congress;

Ms Fang Ai Lian, chairman of the Charity Council and chairman of Methodist Girls' School Board of Management;

Mr Stephen Lee Ching Yen, president of Singapore National Employers Federation;

Mr Po'ad Shaik Abu Bakar Mattar, a member of the Council of Presidential Advisers and a member of the Public Service Commission;

Mr George Quek, founder and chairman of Breadtalk Group Ltd, vice-president of Teochew Poit Ip Huay Kuan, chairman of Xinmin Secondary School Advisory Committee;

Mr Lucien Wong, managing partner of Allen & Gledhill LLP and chairman of Maritime and Port Authority; and

Mr Wong Ngit Liong, chairman of the National University of Singapore Board of Trustees and chairman & CEO of Venture Corporation Limited.
 

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Once I saw the list of committee members, I gave up. Everyone of them is tainted. One is the brother of a former PAP Cabinet Minister, one had a PHD from a degree mill and was exposed and the rest are the usual Govt batting team when it comes to "Independent" review committees. Even Lucien is the mentor of Shanmugam another cabinet Minister.

Its like asking Mas Selamat to look for Osama, and the rest of the country to hold their breath. Why not Tan Cheng Bock, Tan Soo Khoon and even Chiam See Tong now that he is out of politics. All qualified.

Mr John De Payva, president of the National Trades Union Congress;

Ms Fang Ai Lian, chairman of the Charity Council and chairman of Methodist Girls' School Board of Management;

Mr Stephen Lee Ching Yen, president of Singapore National Employers Federation;

Mr Po'ad Shaik Abu Bakar Mattar, a member of the Council of Presidential Advisers and a member of the Public Service Commission;

Mr George Quek, founder and chairman of Breadtalk Group Ltd, vice-president of Teochew Poit Ip Huay Kuan, chairman of Xinmin Secondary School Advisory Committee;

Mr Lucien Wong, managing partner of Allen & Gledhill LLP and chairman of Maritime and Port Authority; and

Mr Wong Ngit Liong, chairman of the National University of Singapore Board of Trustees and chairman & CEO of Venture Corporation Limited.
Like I said, given the current composition of so many dogs, the results and actions can only radicalize the people. So be it.
 

karmabear

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What a total waste of time and tax payers money. Why don't we just pay the ministers $200 billion so that the state can be made bankrupt? We can start a clean slate and new politicians will be only doing out of love for the country as a bankrupt country can't afford to pay anyway.

:oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:
 

scroobal

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I am truly disappointed. These guys have been with associated with the PAP for nearly 3 decades siting in various committees and endorsing the PAP's policies.



Like I said, given the current composition of so many dogs, the results and actions can only radicalize the people. So be it.
 

Windsor

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Gerard Ee better not fuck up big time as this is unlike PTC where he screwed the poor. We know about him always a YES man to the PAP and his performance so far has shown he is in this not for the common people. We are watching the PAP and also Gerard Ee. Do the right thing for the common good or else your name will be m&d. Be warned.
 
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leoman

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yep, he overview d buses distance-based travel not 2 long ago
n claimed ..... 2/3 travellers will PAY LESSER

sbs transit annual reports show: THEY MADE $MILLION$ MORE aft tis implementation


Gerard Ee better not fuck up big time as this is unlike PTC where he screwed the poor. We know about him always a YES man to the PAP and his performance so far has shown he is in this not for the common people. We are watching the PAP and also Gerard Ee. Do the right thing for the common good or else your name will be m&d. Be warned.
 

longbow

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All the wayang is useless. At the end of the day, voters will benchmark minister's pay against those of ministers from 1st world nations.

And the question again will be, "If Obama, Cameron, Merkel is paid XXXX why must our ministers be paid 3XXXX.

That is the big problem they face. Also my test for whether MM is still pulling the strings is this issue of mnister's pay. This is MM's POV and if Pm can make changes it will show that PM is now his own man.

Hope that they will address MP drawing full MP allowance and yet keep their day job. Also there is the big fat conflict of interest where MPs sit on BOD of many local companies.

At the end of the day - voters will come to the conclusion whether this is wayang or real change.
 

bcrick

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On top of all that has been said...

Mr George Quek, founder and chairman of Breadtalk Group Ltd

Seriously? How is this guy the relevant and appropriate individual to review political salaries?

Might as well throw in the 77th Street founder for good measure.
 

kukubird58

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hahaha....those who think that it is still business as usuall and just wayang wayang.....are wrong.
papee is genuinely afraid of the tidal changes.....
for sure there will be reduction of pay.....the only question is by how much...
how much is enough to satisfy the majority......5%, 10%, 15%, 20%......
(this job specs BS thing was done in MINDEF donkey years ago.....
as with all systems, the concept is good.....but implementation is full of BS)
 

wikiphile

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This committee would have been more credible if it includes at least 1 oppsition party member. Taking a step forward to do something is not the same as having the will to go through with painful measures. Nothing drastic has changed and nothing much will for the next 5 years, the events of the past few days have more or less set the pace.
 

annexa

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Is the ministar wage cut affects the civil servants one? Can we save a billion or 2 from SAF pay and graduity cut?
 

kingrant

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They all feed from the same metaphorical trough. Case of monkeys scratching my back today and I'll scratch yrs another day.

No wonder PAP always think Singapore's talent pool is so small - they only look at those around the same trough.

I am truly disappointed. These guys have been with associated with the PAP for nearly 3 decades siting in various committees and endorsing the PAP's policies.
 

Boss_555

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No wonder PAP always think Singapore's talent pool is so small - they only look at those around the same trough.

Well, yes mens with high qualifications are hard to come by these days. PAP's idea of talent - Tin Tin. I rest my case.
 

Amakusa Kourin

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This committee would have been more credible if it includes at least 1 oppsition party member. Taking a step forward to do something is not the same as having the will to go through with painful measures. Nothing drastic has changed and nothing much will for the next 5 years, the events of the past few days have more or less set the pace.

I do not think that is a good idea. Best to pass the buck to independents who (and their family members) are not linked to government and opposition. This will ensure a very fair review. And this committee better not be under PMO.
 
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