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National Heritage Board to study if Oxley Road site is worthy of preservation as national monument

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Lim Tean ,

What Is This Lady Talking About?????

This female news anchor from the sycophantic State Media,whose name I don’t know,and don’t care to know,called Lee Hsien Yang an “unfilial son”.

I don’t give tuppence to her wild claims except to say that people like her are what gives the MSM no credibility at all.And Singaporeans are the ones who have to pay for such low grade journalism,to the tune of $900 million over 5 years,in order to keep the discredited MSM on life support.

Which son can be more filial than Lee Hsien Yang who forked out tens of millions of dollars of his own money to purchase 38 Oxley Road from Lee Hsien Loong, in order to carry out his late parents’ wish to have the house demolished once their daughter Dr Lee Wei Ling no longer lived in it?

How many sons would go to that extent?This lady has no business teaching Singaporeans about filial piety!Don’t try and teach your grandmother how to suck eggs as the saying goes!

How would you like it if after paying tens of millions for a house,you are prevented from doing what you want with it?

History and Singaporeans will judge Lee Hsien Yang very kindly as a most filial son!

And so will his late parents and sister,I am sure!

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with current ongoings.

Did Loong walked away with a good deal ?:thumbsdown::tongue:

Did Yang 's Valuers factored in
this Heritage thing ?


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ChatGPT's Valuation of 38 Oxley Road.


The valuation of Lee Kuan Yew’s residence at 38 Oxley Road is challenging to establish definitively, as the property's future use and historical significance affect its market value.

In general, its location in Singapore’s upscale District 09 and significant land area (approximately 12,060 square feet) suggest a conservative valuation of at least SGD $24 million, based on per-square-foot calculations for prime land.

However, its potential designation as a heritage site could affect the price and restrict development options.

With the recent passing of Lee Wei Ling, future developments regarding its preservation or potential redevelopment will likely influence any final market valuation.
 
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Lim Tean ,

What Is This Lady Talking About?????

This female news anchor from the sycophantic State Media,whose name I don’t know,and don’t care to know,called Lee Hsien Yang an “unfilial son”.

I don’t give tuppence to her wild claims except to say that people like her are what gives the MSM no credibility at all.And Singaporeans are the ones who have to pay for such low grade journalism,to the tune of $900 million over 5 years,in order to keep the discredited MSM on life support.

Which son can be more filial than Lee Hsien Yang who forked out tens of millions of dollars of his own money to purchase 38 Oxley Road from Lee Hsien Loong,in order to carry out his late parents’ wish to have the house demolished once their daughter Dr Lee Wei Ling no longer lived in it? How many sons would go to that extent?This lady has no business teaching Singaporeans about filial piety!Don’t try and teach your grandmother how to suck eggs as the saying goes!

How would you like it if after paying tens of millions for a house,you are prevented from doing what you want with it?

History and Singaporeans will judge Lee Hsien Yang very kindly as a most filial son!

And so will his late parents and sister,I am sure!

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What the heck is Mr Lim Tean yet again talking about?

Hang on a minute - WHO actually owns 38 Oxley Rd now? Our great Founder - the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew, after his passing, left the property, based upon the now highly disputed Last Will to his 3 children.




Extract from CNA:- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sin...ien-loong-lee-hsien-yang-lee-wei-ling-4679401

"In his statement, Mr Lee Hsien Loong also said he had not challenged the validity of his father's last will in court, as he hoped to avoid a public fight that would tarnish Mr Lee Kuan Yew's and his family’s name and reputation.

Upon Mr Lee Kuan Yew's death, his estate was divided equally among the three siblings, and his final will included a clause that allowed Dr Lee to stay there for as long as she desired.

To resolve the family dispute amicably, Mr Lee Hsien Loong said he was prepared to transfer his share of 38 Oxley Road to Dr Lee for a nominal sum of S$1, on the condition that should the property be transacted later or acquired by the government, all proceeds would go to charity.

But a resolution proved impossible.

After the 2015 General Election in September, Dr Lee and Mr Lee Hsien Yang agreed to a fresh proposal by Mr Lee Hsien Loong to transfer his 38 Oxley Road share to Mr Lee Hsien Yang at market value, on the condition that the brothers each donated an amount equivalent to half of that value to charity.

This was to pre-empt any future controversies over compensation or redevelopment proceeds.

Mr Lee Hsien Loong said he was prepared to do this so that his brother and Dr Lee could handle the 38 Oxley Road matter “as they saw fit between them”.

“This is consistent with the position that I had always held and conveyed to my family: That it is not tenable for the family to retain proceeds from any dealing with 38 Oxley Road, as it would look like the family is opposing acquisition and preservation of the house for monetary reasons,” said Mr Lee Hsien Loong at the time.

Lee Hsien Yang was and continues to be unhappy about my taking this position. So, it would appear, is Lee Wei Ling,” Mr Lee Hsien Loong had said.

Five days after his siblings first went public with their accusations, Mr Lee Hsien Loong apologised to Singaporeans for the effect it had on the country's reputation, and Singaporeans' confidence in the government.

In a statement on Jun 19, 2017, he added that "as the eldest of the siblings, it grieves me to think of the anguish that this would have caused our parents if they were still alive".
 
Treason:- the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

The issue had been about a private property & is merely a family & private issue.

Should LHY wants to be TAKEN seriously, as executor of his father's Will, then he best return to Singapore & follow up on the request by our Govt's agency - SPF, to answer a few questions, instead of running away & absconding, & WORSE - to seek for Political Asylum in UK with claims that he is being PERSECUATED in Singapore by Govt authorities.....which is playing a game that is FAR MORE than a mere private family issue, which is on a POLITICAL level...

What does he actually wants?

Is it just over a mere private property or a higher political desire as evident by his tirades against the very system that his great father had worked so hard on, & himself benefitted over decades with no complaints until his hardworking elder brother became not just the PM years back, but the head of the Lee Clan now?
 
National heritage board study means hc study. Stupid.
Who is so stupid to think NHB has the power to decide what to do with ah gong house?
NHB reports to the gov and the overall wah xi yarn is supposed to be the PM but the pm is reporting to the SM and the SM eventually reports to hc
LOL
 
Treason:- the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill or overthrow the sovereign or government.

The issue had been about a private property & is merely a family & private issue.

Should LHY wants to be TAKEN seriously, as executor of his father's Will, then he best return to Singapore & follow up on the request by our Govt's agency - SPF, to answer a few questions, instead of running away & absconding, & WORSE - to seek for Political Asylum in UK with claims that he is being PERSECUATED in Singapore by Govt authorities.....which is playing a game that is FAR MORE than a mere private family issue, which is on a POLITICAL level...

What does he actually wants?

Is it just over a mere private property or a higher political desire as evident by his tirades against the very system that his great father had worked so hard on, & himself benefitted over decades with no complaints until his hardworking elder brother became not just the PM years back, but the head of the Lee Clan now?
Loser.
 
What would NHB do?

In 1975, horrific fires broke out at a plot of land located at the junction between Upper Bukit Timah Road and Jalan Jurong Kechil, used to be known as the Bukit Timah Road 7.5 milestone, was once a popular market and shopping destination for locals during weeknights and weekends. That mere small plot of land also included homes with little amenities even in public utility services. Water supply came from a well with pumps & homes were attap roofs with concrete floors, etc....

As popular as it was, it was a slum & a fire hazard, & most living there were stubborn folks, despite appeals for them to make way for progress. Eventually fires happen, & many residents there, including their relatives living elsewhere, were vocally blaming our Govt as the ones who set the fires to get residents to move out, creating unnecessary harmful controversies ....

Even though that plot of land was prime land, our Govt did nothing to it for several decades, left it fenced up, & instead HELPED many of the residents to move into newly constructed HDB flats, within the Bt Timah/Clementi areas, with priority & generous subsidies, as we leave none behind.....



https://remembersingapore.org/2019/09/22/old-new-beauty-world/
 
What would NHB do?

In 1975, horrific fires broke out at a plot of land located at the junction between Upper Bukit Timah Road and Jalan Jurong Kechil, used to be known as the Bukit Timah Road 7.5 milestone, was once a popular market and shopping destination for locals during weeknights and weekends. That mere small plot of land also included homes with little amenities even in public utility services. Water supply came from a well with pumps & homes were attap roofs with concrete floors, etc....

As popular as it was, it was a slum & a fire hazard, & most living there were stubborn folks, despite appeals for them to make way for progress. Eventually fires happen, & many residents there, including their relatives living elsewhere, were vocally blaming our Govt as the ones who set the fires to get residents to move out, creating unnecessary harmful controversies ....

Even though that plot of land was prime land, our Govt did nothing to it for several decades, left it fenced up, & instead HELPED many of the residents to move into newly constructed HDB flats, within the Bt Timah/Clementi areas, with priority & generous subsidies, as we leave none behind.....



https://remembersingapore.org/2019/09/22/old-new-beauty-world/
fuck you lah cheebai
 
What the heck is Mr Lim Tean yet again talking about?

Hang on a minute - WHO actually owns 38 Oxley Rd now? Our great Founder - the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew, after his passing, left the property, based upon the now highly disputed Last Will to his 3 children.




Extract from CNA:- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sin...ien-loong-lee-hsien-yang-lee-wei-ling-4679401

"In his statement, Mr Lee Hsien Loong also said he had not challenged the validity of his father's last will in court, as he hoped to avoid a public fight that would tarnish Mr Lee Kuan Yew's and his family’s name and reputation.

Upon Mr Lee Kuan Yew's death, his estate was divided equally among the three siblings, and his final will included a clause that allowed Dr Lee to stay there for as long as she desired.

To resolve the family dispute amicably, Mr Lee Hsien Loong said he was prepared to transfer his share of 38 Oxley Road to Dr Lee for a nominal sum of S$1, on the condition that should the property be transacted later or acquired by the government, all proceeds would go to charity.

But a resolution proved impossible.

After the 2015 General Election in September, Dr Lee and Mr Lee Hsien Yang agreed to a fresh proposal by Mr Lee Hsien Loong to transfer his 38 Oxley Road share to Mr Lee Hsien Yang at market value, on the condition that the brothers each donated an amount equivalent to half of that value to charity.

This was to pre-empt any future controversies over compensation or redevelopment proceeds.

Mr Lee Hsien Loong said he was prepared to do this so that his brother and Dr Lee could handle the 38 Oxley Road matter “as they saw fit between them”.

“This is consistent with the position that I had always held and conveyed to my family: That it is not tenable for the family to retain proceeds from any dealing with 38 Oxley Road, as it would look like the family is opposing acquisition and preservation of the house for monetary reasons,” said Mr Lee Hsien Loong at the time.

Lee Hsien Yang was and continues to be unhappy about my taking this position. So, it would appear, is Lee Wei Ling,” Mr Lee Hsien Loong had said.

Five days after his siblings first went public with their accusations, Mr Lee Hsien Loong apologised to Singaporeans for the effect it had on the country's reputation, and Singaporeans' confidence in the government.

In a statement on Jun 19, 2017, he added that "as the eldest of the siblings, it grieves me to think of the anguish that this would have caused our parents if they were still alive".
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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/38-oxley-road-lee-kuan-yew-hsien-yang-demolish-4702691

SINGAPORE: Mr Lee Hsien Yang knows the inaccuracy of his claim about 38 Oxley Road, which he wants to be demolished, and is creating "false urgency" for it to be torn down immediately, the Singapore government said on Friday (Oct 25).
Earlier in the day, Mr Lee, the youngest son of Singapore's founding Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, called on Prime Minister Lawrence Wong to make a decision on the property, saying in a Facebook post that "the time for that decision is now".
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In response, the Singapore government said the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew had accepted that his family home at 38 Oxley Road may be preserved.
Mr Lee Kuan Yew, who died in 2015, had written to the Cabinet in 2011 acknowledging that they were of the view that the property should not be demolished.
"Thereafter, having accepted that the property may be preserved, Mr Lee Kuan Yew also submitted renovation and redevelopment plans for the property, and obtained approval from URA (the Urban Redevelopment Authority). This was in March 2012.
"Mr Lee Kuan Yew was, in submitting the plans, proceeding on the basis that the property will be preserved," said a Singapore government spokesperson from the Ministry of Digital Development and Information (MDDI).

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38 Oxley Road: A timeline of events

"ELABORATE EDIFICE OF LIES"​

In pushing for the house to be torn down, Mr Lee Hsien Yang has repeatedly cited his father's last will, executed in 2013. The will stated that the late Mr Lee wanted the house to be demolished, and if that were not possible, the property should be closed to everyone except family and descendants.
Mr Lee Kuan Yew's long-time lawyer was not involved in preparing the last will.
In 2020, the Court of Three Judges, led by the Chief Justice, found that Mr Lee Hsien Yang and his wife, Mrs Lee Suet Fern, had procured the execution of the last will with "unseemly haste (that) can only be described as improper and unacceptable".
A disciplinary tribunal also found Mrs Lee guilty of misconduct over the handling of Mr Lee Kuan Yew’s last will.
On Friday, the government spokesperson added that Mr Lee Hsien Yang chose not to mention that he and his wife had misled Mr Lee Kuan Yew on the execution of his last will.
The couple were also found to have lied under oath.
The disciplinary tribunal and the Court of Three Judges said that Mr Lee Hsien Yang and Mrs Lee Suet Fern had presented "an elaborate edifice of lies ... both on oath … and through their public and other statements", the government spokesperson noted.
"The affidavits were contrived to present a false picture. Several of the lies were quite blatant," the government spokesperson said.
"Mr Lee Hsien Yang's continued allegations must be seen in this light."
The government added that it is trying to keep options open and give time for current and future generations of Singaporeans to decide on what to do with the former home of the late Mr Lee.
Options include demolition or preservation of all or part of 38 Oxley Road.
"Instead of closing all options now, we should keep the options open and consider them carefully, in the fullness of time, taking into account Mr Lee Kuan Yew's wishes, the historical value of the site and what it can mean for current and future generations of Singaporeans," said the statement.
Mr Lee Hsien Yang and his wife have been out of Singapore since 2022 after deciding not to attend a scheduled police interview over potential offences of giving false evidence in judicial proceedings regarding the will of his father.
He said on Oct 22 that he is now a political refugee in the United Kingdom after seeking asylum protection in 2022.
In response to media queries from The Guardian about Mr Lee's asylum status, the Singapore government said there is "no basis” to allegations of "a campaign of persecution" against him as well as other claims about political repression in the country.

LEE KUAN YEW'S STANCE​

Mr Lee Kuan Yew had on several occasions publicly expressed his wish for the house to be demolished after his death.
He said in a letter to the Cabinet in October 2010 that it should “not be kept as a kind of relic for people to tramp through” and that it has “no merit as architecture”.
In his book Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going, published in January 2011, he was quoted as saying: "Because of my house the neighbouring houses cannot build high. Now demolish my house and change the planning rules, go up, the land value will go up."
He reiterated his stance in July 2011 in another letter to the Cabinet, but was met with opposition from ministers when he asked them about it.
Subsequently, in another letter to the Cabinet in December 2011, Mr Lee said he had reflected on the matter after the Cabinet was unanimous in saying the property should not be demolished; and that he had decided that if it was to be preserved, work needed to be carried out.
“Cabinet members were unanimous that 38 Oxley Road should not be demolished. I have reflected on this and decided that if 38 Oxley Road is to be preserved, it needs to have its foundations reinforced and the whole building refurbished. It must then be let out for people to live in. An empty building will soon decline and decay,” he said.
"Mr Lee Kuan Yew's will, while stating his preference for the property to be demolished, also acknowledges that the property may be preserved," the government said on Friday.
"Mr Lee Kuan Yew's views are quite clear. His preference was for the property to be demolished. But he accepted that it need not be demolished, and he gave his views on how the property ought to be preserved. All of this is set out in the report of the ministerial committee on 38 Oxley Road, published in April 2018," it added.
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NHB TO STUDY OXLEY ROAD SITE​

The National Heritage Board (NHB) on Thursday said it would study the Oxley Road site to assess if it is worthy of being preserved as a national monument.
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Mr Lee Hsien Yang applied to URA on Oct 21 to carry out the demolition works, about two weeks after his sister Dr Lee Wei Ling died. She had been living in the house before her death.
Demolishing 38 Oxley Road now will rule out a "proper and full consideration" of the options presented in the 2018 ministerial committee report, said the board.
Minister for Culture, Community and Youth Edwin Tong wrote in a Facebook post on Thursday that "we do not think that any option should be precluded, or closed off, at this stage".
"It is important that we approach the matter with an open mind, as well as keep our options open. The passage of time will help us better appreciate the matter in its proper context, with the benefit of some hindsight."
The study will be conducted by NHB's preservation of sites and monuments advisory board, which includes experts from various sectors.
NHB will then submit its recommendation to the Minister for Culture, Community and Youth to decide whether to issue a preservation order for the site under the Preservation of Monuments Act.
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If the minister intends to preserve the site, NHB will notify the owner and occupier to submit any objections “within a reasonable period” before the minister makes a final decision.
If the government decides to preserve the site as a national monument, all options for its fate will remain open to current and future governments, said NHB.
A preservation order can be amended or revoked and no rezoning or alternative use of the site will be allowed until a decision is made in the future, it added.
Source: CNA/zl(gs)
 
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