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E-scooters to be banned from Singapore footpaths from Nov 5

hofmann

Alfrescian
Loyal
124 people died on the roads last year and thousands more were injured so why are you only concerned about PMD safety when the streets and the highways are literally death traps with lots of carnage and destruction added to the mix?

for the sake of argument, it's a matter of probability. On a per trip basis, the probability of death/injury while in a car is way lower than while on a PMD in Singapore context.

I'm certain there were more deaths and serious injuries from motorbikes than from cars. Most bikers I know are fully aware of the dangers of riding and consciously accept that risk. All the bikers I know have had at least one accident resulting in injury during their riding careers. The same cannot be said for drivers.

Ren bao tie vs tie bao ren.

(Man wrap machine for motorbikes vs machine wrap man for cars)

PMDs fall into the motorbikes category.
 

LaoTze

Alfrescian
Loyal
Maggots maggotess in white sensed a way to extract more $$$$$ from Singaporeans
Introduced legislation later for licenses and tests to be taken and pieces of paper to be given to commercial delivery riders
Then they can laff and laff even louder on way to their banks.

BUT FIRST HATAM THEM SILLY WITH OUTRIGHT BAN SO THEIR BALLS DROP AND LATER WILL LOOK ON THE LICENSING FEES AND TESTS WITH GREAT RELIEF AND GRATITUDE TO THE FUCKING PAP MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS



Dont even need no fake degree
Any degree or no degree also can
Scrap of paper from Uptron ACL also can do
As long as you a CECA Indian

No need to imagine anything.
Just know we are the 4th class down trodden bastards in a country stolen from us by maggots maggotess in white and demanded that
they be paid through our noses and arseholes or they will steal and rob even more from us.
That we all go down down on our heads and faces and our arse up high high to be tiew and kann and fucked by them and the foreignt trash that they brought in
To displace us all to third and 4th class in a country stolen from us




PAP maggots maggotess in white directed this mother fucker who made the arrangement for them to come in.





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ARRANGEMENT MADE DELIBERATELY TO ENSURE SINGAPOREANS
WILL REMAIN POOR AND LITTLE OR NO MONEY REMAINING TO GO FUND OPPOSITION

PAP ALSO DELIBERATELY UNDERFUND CHARITY RESULTING IN HORDES OF FLAG SELLERS TO TUG ON HEART STRINGS TO SOAK UP
EVEN MORE MONEY SO NO MONEY LEFT TO GO FUND OPPOSITION

THEN PAP UNLEASH NUCLEAR BOMB ON SINGAPOREANS BY OPENING FLOOD GATES FOR INDIANS PINOYS BANGLA TIONGS TO GET
MONEY THAT THEY THEN SEND BACK TO HOME COUNTRY

TO ENSURE SINGAPOREANS
WILL REMAIN POOR AND LITTLE OR NO MONEY REMAINING TO GO FUND OPPOSITION



PAP want to retain on to their power. And their ability to laff and laff and laff on way to their banks.

PAP also know money in Singaporean hands and pockets very very dangerous to them.
Part of those money can be used to finance political fight against PAP.

So how to decrease those money in Singaporeans.
Making things and services in Singapore for Singaporeans ultra expensive not enough to remove the money floating about.
Even if that make cronies of PAP very rich not enough.

It is political necessity for PAP to remove as much money from Singaporeans as possible as maid levies COEs , ever rising water and electricity and GST etc etc not enough.

PAP also know money in Singaporean hands and pockets very very dangerous to them.
Part of those money can be used to finance political fight against PAP.



GET FOREIGNERS INTO SINGAPORE TO SOAK UP AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE.
BE THAT BY INDIANS OR BANGLAS OR PINOYS OR TIONGS WHO WILL SAVE AND SAVE AND SEND THAT MONEY BACK
LESS MONEY IN SINGAPOREANS MEANT LESS MONEY TO FIGHT PAP

SO PAP CAN LAFF AND LAFF AND LAFF AND THEIR UNCLES AND AUNTIES AND SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND NIECES AND NEPHEWS CAN LAFF AND LAFF NON STOP ON THE WAY TO THEIR BANKS.
AND THEIR CRONIES AND PAPER GENERALS AND CECAs PIECES OF SHIT CAN LAFF AND LAFF AND LAFF

FUCK THE SINGAPOREANS WHO CAN CRY AND CRY AND BE PANDA FOOD DELIVERERS AND SELL TISSUE PAPERS AT HAWKER CENTERS AND PICK UP CARDBOARD

WHO CARES AS LONG AS PAP MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS IN WHITE CAN CONTINUE TO LAFF AND LAFF AND LAFFF


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VOTE OUT THE FUCKING PAP MAGGOTS MAGGOTESS IN WHITE.
AT THAT ONE STROKE, THEIR CRONIES AND PAPER GENERALS ALL BE GONE.
NTUC ANOTHER FUCKING FRAUDULENT CLOWN SHOW OF PAP BY PAP FOR PAP.
NEVER EVER NTUC FOR SINGAPOREANS

WHO THEN WILL PROTECT RAMESH AND HIS KIND OF CHEATING FRAUDULENT WORMS IN STEALING JOBS THAN SINGAPOREANS CAN DO BETTER?

Forward this on your WhatsApp and make this go viral.
Get this onto the handphones of all in Singapore

VOTE OUT ALL THE MAGGOTS AND MAGGOTESS IN WHITE AND TURN STINKAPORE BACK INTO SINGAPORE

OR OUR KIDS END UP BECOMING SECURITY GUARDS TO BE KICKED IN FACE BY CECAs OR PANDA FOOD DELIVERIES OR PICKING UP CARDBOARDS OR SELLING TISSUE PAPER IN HAWKER CENTERS
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
for the sake of argument, it's a matter of probability. On a per trip basis, the probability of death/injury while in a car is way lower than while on a PMD in Singapore context.

I'm certain there were more deaths and serious injuries from motorbikes than from cars. Most bikers I know are fully aware of the dangers of riding and consciously accept that risk. All the bikers I know have had at least one accident resulting in injury during their riding careers. The same cannot be said for drivers.

Ren bao tie vs tie bao ren.

(Man wrap machine for motorbikes vs machine wrap man for cars)

PMDs fall into the motorbikes category.

The probability of death or injury is way lower for the DRIVER of a car but not for his innocent victims who could be pedestrians, motorcyclists or PMD riders.

On the other hand the probability of death or injury from being hit by a PMD ranges from very low to low.

Would you rather be run over by a Mclaren weighing 1500kg going 100kph or a 20kg PMD going 25kph?
 

AhMeng

Alfrescian (Inf- Comp)
Asset
E-scooter riders gather to voice frustration over ban at Meet-the-People session in Ang Mo Kio
www.channelnewsasia.com

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SINGAPORE: Around 50 electric scooter riders gathered at a Meet-the-People session (MPS) in Ang Mo Kio on Wednesday (Nov 6) night to voice their frustration over the recently announced ban.

The riders, many of whom were wearing green GrabFood delivery uniforms, were hoping to meet Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who helms the Teck Ghee ward.

A few of them had arrived at 6pm even though the MPS at Ang Mo Kio Avenue 3 was only scheduled to start at 8pm.

Several came on e-scooters and parked their devices at the nearby connector and void deck.

A representative from the group of riders met with an MPS volunteer, while another rider spoke to ward grassroots adviser Dr S Vasoo.

By about 9pm, only around five riders remained.

The PMDs parked alongside a pathway at Ang Mo Kio on Nov 6, 2019.

Speaking to CNA, one delivery rider said she could not do her work because of the ban.

"A lot of the (people) here ... they have children to pay for, instalments to pay for, they have house to pay for. Some of them don't even have a house, they have to rent," said delivery rider Dana.

"So, you suddenly tell us one day, the next day we cannot work. How are we going to pay all these instalments, how are we going to pay all the expenses? It's not possible, physically not possible really," she added.

Ms Kelly Lee, another delivery rider, also said she hoped the Government could help the riders with their predicament.

About 50 e-scooter riders gathered at an Ang Mo Kio Meet-the-People session on Nov 6, 2019.

"(We) hope the Government can help, do something for us. We need this job," said the 46-year-old in Mandarin.

"Let us ride if we follow the rules ... How do I find a job? Today you said ban, tomorrow it takes effect. I can find a job immediately? How many can find jobs?"

She added: "At least provide us some alternatives, like giving food delivery riders wearing uniforms who use compliant e-scooters a licence to ride on footpaths."

E-scooters have been banned from footpaths, with offenders facing fines of up to S$2,000 and jail time of up to three months once the ban is strictly enforced from 2020.

The use of e-scooters remains banned on roads, although such devices are allowed to be used on cycling paths and park connector networks.

There will be an advisory period until Dec 31, during which errant users will be given warnings, to allow e-scooter riders time to adjust.

Earlier on Wednesday, Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam - who is an MP for Nee Soon GRC - said he met with 30 PMD riders who had come to see him at his MPS in Yishun.

"They explained their position, their difficulties," said Mr Shanmugam in a Facebook post, adding that while he "understood their position", they would have to convey their views to the Ministry of Transport and to Cabinet.

Additional reporting by Melissa Goh.
 

AhMeng

Alfrescian (Inf- Comp)
Asset
My advice to these Grab delivery boys and girls...Get a proper motorbike and ride on thr roads. Otherwise, go fuck the PAP for not allowing you on the roads.
 

AhMeng

Alfrescian (Inf- Comp)
Asset
Angry PMD users flood Lam Pin Min’s Facebook page with angry comments – Mothership.SG
mothership.sg

On Nov. 4, Senior Minister of State for Transport Lam Pin Min announced in Parliament that the use of e-scooters will be prohibited on all footpaths, starting Nov. 5.

In response to the sudden ban, many Singaporeans took to voicing their support for the move, with claims of having been terrorised by speeding PMD riders who had little regard for safety.

PMD riders, on the other hand, weren’t too pleased.

Lam slammed for hurting livelihoods

Critical comments slamming Lam surfaced on his Facebook post.

The criticism was largely centred on the blanket ban on PMDs, which has hurt the livelihoods of those who deliver food to earn their keep.

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Some also felt that the ban was unfair to them, on the basis that they used the PMD as a device to get around because of health problems, and for daily chores.
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Personal mobility aids (PMAs) are not banned on footpaths, although confusion could have set in as the ban was carried out overnight along with punitive measures devised to keep users in check.

Government will work with food delivery companies to resolve issue

The general sentiment that the ban would deal a blow to the livelihood of PMD riders was further echoed by Member of Parliament (MP) Liang Eng Hwa, who asked on Nov. 4 if any help will be offered to food delivery riders.

Liang said: “I want to ask SMS (Lam) how he sees this decison affecting the food delivery businesses and more importantly, the PMD riders? They depend on the PMDs to earn a living, [will there be] existing measures to help them to continue to have a way to do their business?”

In response, Lam said that the government has been engaging with food delivery companies FoodPanda, Deliveroo, and GrabFood, to help their PMD riders switch from e-scooters to either motorcycles or bicycles.

He further noted that there were 7,000 food delivery riders using PMDs engaged by these three companies, although less than 30 per cent of all food deliveries were done using PMDs.

Lam said: “For FoodPanda, only 12 per cent of their food deliveries are done using PMDs. Deliveroo, about 5 per cent.”
 

hofmann

Alfrescian
Loyal
The 124 deaths you cited, was it pedestrian deaths or driver/biker deaths? Or a mix? I'm guess it's driver/biker deaths.

How many pedestrians get killed by cars in Singapore each year? 10? 11? Maybe 12? Out of millions of trips and billions of kilometers travelled.

So far, there have been 2,3 maybe 4 deaths of pedestrians from collisions with pmds and/or PABs. Out of hundreds of thousands of trips and maybe a million km travelled.

I do believe the statistics are in favour of cars over PMDs.

I would rather be run over by a Tesla, because given the modern driver assist/anti collision aids on it, it is highly unlikely it will ever happen. None of the PMDs/PABs have such capability.

The probability of death or injury is way lower for the DRIVER of a car but not for his innocent victims who could be pedestrians, motorcyclists or PMD riders.

On the other hand the probability of death or injury from being hit by a PMD ranges from very low to low.

Would you rather be run over by a Mclaren weighing 1500kg going 100kph or a 20kg PMD going 25kph?
 

Hypocrite-The

Alfrescian
Loyal
If I were the MP, I would tell them, we all love to fuck but we need to fuck responsibly and not anyhow shoot and not think of the consequences. Go get a bicycle, carry on with your food delivery job and get fit at the same time. Remember the PAP is "With you, for you, for Singapore." :biggrin:
Bicycles on foot path safer than pmds? What drugs are the authorities on?
 

glockman

Old Fart
Asset
Bicycles on foot path safer than pmds? What drugs are the authorities on?
Bicycles do not zip around like bats out of hell. Anything with a motor is capable of traveling longer distances at higher speeds than a human powered device. In the hands of an incapable or inconsiderate rider, a motorised device is more dangerous.
 

Leongsam

High Order Twit / Low SES subject
Admin
Asset
Bicycles do not zip around like bats out of hell. Anything with a motor is capable of traveling longer distances at higher speeds than a human powered device. In the hands of an incapable or inconsiderate rider, a motorised device is more dangerous.

That's absolute rubbish I can do 160km on my bike at an average of 28kph without working up a sweat. No PMD in Singapore could do the same.
 

JohnTan

Alfrescian (InfP)
Generous Asset
I've been busy for the past few days, meeting with the residents and low caste sinkies to address their concerns about the PMDs. What about the jiak liao bee oppies?

 
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