Of course not. They just reminded me that it's against the law, and I have to renounce either one. So i just told them i will give this matter some thought then I left the building.
If I didn't renounce, then next time I enter SG using another country's passport, they may or may not, pull me aside to remind me again.
I think it all depends if you are on their radar or not.
Jail or just fine? I doubt they would make an example of you. Will you come back again after this trip? Will they let you leave coz you enter sinkapore with local passport? Keep us posted. Yours is the first case report on Sam's.
I think they will not jail or fine you, unless you're Dr.Chee or Alex Tan of States Time review.
I've renounced SG citizenship over the counter at ICA. Quite convenient process, don't even need to notarize the documents.
I will further update the bit about those young boys who left SG and migrated overseas before 10 yrs old, and what happens when the enlistment letter comes, exit permits & NS deferment request and ultimately renunciation when they are 21.
This bit will take longer as my son is only 14.
Again, policies do change over time. so let's see how this journey goes.
I encourage those with son's who have migrated to share their experience about the enlistment bit, NS deferment and renunciation when 21.
This will be a more accurate information that benefits those who have left. Better than those half truth from you know who.
I think they will not jail or fine you, unless you're Dr.Chee or Alex Tan of States Time review.
I've renounced SG citizenship over the counter at ICA. Quite convenient process, don't even need to notarize the documents.
I will further update the bit about those young boys who left SG and migrated overseas before 10 yrs old, and what happens when the enlistment letter comes, exit permits & NS deferment request and ultimately renunciation when they are 21.
This bit will take longer as my son is only 14.
Again, policies do change over time. so let's see how this journey goes.
I encourage those with son's who have migrated to share their experience about the enlistment bit, NS deferment and renunciation when 21.
This will be a more accurate information that benefits those who have left. Better than those half truth from you know who.
With the ungrateful attitude that people have here, as if those who post here owe it to others when it doesn't quite work out the way you want it, it probably makes more sense that we DO NOT share anymore.
Good luck folks! You are on your own.
Scroobal doesn't owe anyone anything. He has given advice out of goodwill.
The whole subject about keeping Singapore citizenship while holding another country's citizenship seems to be a have your cake and eat it. Although people have said it is "possible" and that there is no legal documentation that outlaws it, it is a moot point in my opinion. As I had mentioned before, clearly ICA would not renew or issue passports to people who declare that they have dual citizenship. If you falsely declare that you do not hold another citizenship then you are guilty of committing fraud. Really, seriously, if you are so intent on keeping your Singapore citizenship for whatever reason, then just don't get another country's citizenship.
Otherwise just renounce Singapore citizenship and take the CPF as a "bonus". I do know that for those who never ask to renew their Singapore passports, sometimes ICA doesn't know what is happening and never asks them to renounce one of their citizenships. But when something happens that brings them to ICA's attention, then they get letters informing them they should renounce one of their citizenships.
As for the NS deferment issue for male children, that's different because the children are not allowed to renounce till they are aged 21. Yet they want them to serve NS then renounce. That is pretty crazy. Having said that, I do know friends who have got their sons to go back to serve NS for the family's sake. Especially those who migrated after the age of 11.
There is no need to ridicule good people like Scroobal who are merely trying to help with what information they know. As far as I know, the NS issue is a case by case review. So every case is treated differently. Which is why there is no real consensus on this issue.
As we all know how Singapore works, if you share your case here, you probably run the risk of being on their radar and might jeopardize your son's case on an individual basis. So good luck to whoever wants to share.
With the ungrateful attitude that people have here, as if those who post here owe it to others when it doesn't quite work out the way you want it, it probably makes more sense that we DO NOT share anymore.
Good luck folks! You are on your own.
Why did you renounce? CPF?
Why did you renounce? CPF?
When he's giving out advice based on false information, then it is a problem. He has on numerous occasions mentioned ICA allow dual citizenship as there is no law specifically prohibiting it. Well, I queried the ICA case officer on this and she specifically refuted those information that was peddled by Scroobal.
The problem about the NS bit and young men wanting to renounce but not able to is of concern to many. Every damn thing is case by case basis, that's the problem with SG. Not a set of rules that's transparent for all, and applied equally to all.
Related to who & who, can defer 12 yrs. No relation, GFYS.
If those rules and regulations are fair and transparent, there wouldn't be a need for this thread.
The problem with many Singaporeans is their inability to accommodate different perspectives, beliefs and ways of thinking. Most of the knowledge and experience gained by those who left Singapore is not shared here in the forum anyway. For those with true desire to leave, whatever has been posted in the Emigration folder over the years is more than sufficient to get them started. The rest are merely action items.
The measure of the person can be discerned by the aspersions cast. If your words make sense, they will stand on their own. Only those who give up easily will be swayed.
Why was the decision reversed on overseas Singaporeans having to pay healthcare premiums?
Why do people still ask the same old questions about dual citizenship and NS obligations after so many years?
These are very simple questions people can keep asking why, or thinking about, until they reach a few simple truths. But then again, it's tough when people have to read the right stuff in Singapore.
You are either a dishonest person or unable to comprehend English. Let me break it down in bullet points.
1. There is no law against holding more than one citizenship if you are Singaporean. So it is not offence.
2. The government has categoically stated that it does not encourage dual or multiple ctizenship. Thats their stand but it is not the law. Only an idiot cannot tell the difference. The PAP uses government agencies like People Association to campaign at each and every election. So what they say or do is not necessarily right. Don't be a gullible idiot and believe what they want you to believe.
3. The approach to seek deferment for those who migrated has not changed materially since conscription began but they have not publicly stated the policy and many kids who migrated have been classified as defaulter when they are perfectly eligible to get deferment. This is due to the lack of transparency. Some of us here help to clear the fog so that more kids do not end up unable to visit Singapore.
4. If you do not need to withdraw your CPF when you migrate, might as keep your citizenship as the practice of multiple ciizenship is gaining ground in a global world. Oz which by law disallowed holding dual ot multiple citizenship for many years has its law repealed circa 2004. Singapore cabinet discussed this quite extensively and Old Man categorically stated that it will be brough up again as no decision has been made.
5. ICA has renewed PP of people holding foreign citizenship where they have declared their foreign ctizenship. The new forms which was introduced in recent years asked a number of questions including what travel documents was used to travel if one's passport has already expired whilst outside the country. That tells you that it is done selectively. And for a reason.
6. There are privileges with citizenship such as purchase of landed property without the need for Commissioner of Land consent as an example. The notion of citizenship has nothing to do with the PAP. Its a fucking political party that has overstayed its welcome long time ago and continues to fool people who are gullible or cannot understand simple English.
Here comes the name calling.
Twist all the words you want, but that doesn't changes the fact that you are giving out bad advice based on wrong information.
Did you acquire another country's citizenship? Have you renounced SG citizenship? Have you went up to ICA and deal with them personally? I was specifically told by ICA senior case officers the laws in SG prohibit Singaporean from holding dual citizenship. I think on this matter, they are more credible than you.
If you have not,then you should't talk so much here.
and I wonder why so many threads on migration have died off....
Hock,
i was reading the older threads then I realized that you should be in Canada by now. How's everything?
You claimed its against the law. Now what is your stand? Show me the law. All the statutues are online.
Thank you for the article. It's rather helpful for the shallow reader, or gullible fool, isn't it? Where is the link to the statutes?
Oh wait, let me help place the text directly here. I can see that Article 134 states:
Deprivation of citizenship on acquisition of foreign citizenship
(1) The Government may, by order, deprive a citizen of Singapore of his citizenship if the Government is satisfied that —
(a) he has, while of or over the age of 18 years, at any time after 6th April 1960 acquired by registration, naturalisation or other voluntary and formal act (other than marriage) the citizenship of any country outside Singapore or having so acquired such citizenship before the age of 18 years continues to retain it after that age; or
(b) the citizen, being a woman who is a citizen of Singapore by registration under Article 123(2), has acquired the citizenship of any country outside Singapore by virtue of her marriage to a person who is not a citizen of Singapore.
(2) Where the Government has made an order under this Article depriving a citizen of Singapore of his citizenship, he shall cease to be a citizen with effect from the date of the order.
So... NOWHERE do I see an actual, specific declaration that it is unlawful to hold dual citizenship, or that it is prohibited.
Is it so hard to read? Or to comprehend?
What pisses me off is when people keep talking in circles and can't point to the specific law at all. This is exactly why comprehension is too complicated a word for people to understand.
Thanks Nayr69sg, for writing out a detailed explanation. I'm sorry I don't have the patience to have done that. I find that the large problem with Singaporeans is that they cannot read, cannot think through or are just plain stubborn because of their own experience.
I get that people have their personal experiences and I don't discount it nor disqualify it. But to outright put down others down and brush them aside speaks volumes and points to how parochial Singaporeans tend to be. Furthermore, to insist that "my belief and experience proves it and nothing else proves otherwise" is emblematic of rigidity and stubbornness. These two traits are among the worst and most common in some Singaporeans.
