Doping - Swimming Sensation?

[cocobobo]

if you tell any amateur european rider involved in competitive cycling that the tour de france is clean, they will laugh at your naievity.

anyone involved in cycling knows without drugs it will take 2 months to complete the race instead of the standard 20 days.

ditto for swimming.

China is king in sports involving technique and dexterity.
It needs something extra to win power sports against naturally better built human races.

Seriously, I really hope that for those who have never being involved in any competitive sports, to please keep quiet and stop talking nonsense. To win, it's both physical, and mental. Besides, to be a world champion, it takes talent. Immense talent. But in the end, it's all mental and lots of practice, practice, practice and you need funds and proper coaching. In a nutshell, you need a healthy environment with government support for a country to produce world champions and corporate sponsorships too. That's why China has sent its swimmers to be trained overseas. But for table tennis, gymnastics and diving, it is exporting its coaches overseas, and these countries are improving, thanks to the coaching.

 

[wendychan]

Couple of points




I recall how Lim Hng Kiang, Ho Ching, Mrs Goh Chok Tong and Denyse Tessansohn were fully behind TT Durai despite all the red flags. All highly influential people. So what went wrong.

Haha im really ROFL

 

[streetcry]

Swimming Women's 200m Individual Medley Final Full Replay from the Aquatics Centre at the London 2012 Olympic Games. -- 31 July 2012


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[streetcry]

Chinese teenage swimming sensation Ye Shiwen said the doping row surrounding her in London had inspired her to a second Olympic gold medal with victory in the 200m medley on Tuesday.

Sixteen-year-old Ye, whose explosive win in the 400m medley in world record time last Saturday drew allegations of drug use, sealed the medley double with victory in 2min 07.57sec, a new Olympic record.

Afterwards, Ye insisted: "I don't feel upset or sad about what the media have been saying about me.
"I feel calm, but it just encouraged me to prove myself.

"Of course, I think (the comments) are a bit unfair towards me, but I am not affected," added Ye, who was adamant in denying doping at any stage of her short career.

"Absolutely not," she said, when asked if she had ever taken a banned substance.

"I do two-and-a half hours (training) every morning, two-and-a-half hours every afternoon and I have trained for nine years.
"I think everyone can achieve their goal. In my mind everyone can be a genius.

"I think in other countries people have won multiple medals and no one says anything about them, so why should they say these things about me?
"There is likely to be more good (Chinese) swimmers coming behind me because others have the same potential that I have."

Ye, the world champion, pulled away in the closing stages Tuesday to finish ahead of Australia's Alicia Coutts and American Caitlin Leverenz.
The Chinese girl lit up the Olympics on Saturday after slicing five seconds off her personal best and taking more than a second off the world record to win gold.
But she said she didn't get out to celebrate that win until almost 2:00am following the mandatory drugs test for all medallists.

Her stunning last 50 metres in the 400IM was faster than men's champion Ryan Lochte, a fact that has been seized upon by sceptics who point to the litany of drug scandals which dogged Chinese swimming through the 1990s.

John Leonard, executive director of the World Swimming Coaches' Association, raised suspicions about the authenticity of her swims.
However, several pool greats pointed out Ye had never failed a drugs test and should, therefore, be regarded as a "clean" athlete.
Former British swimmer Adrian Moorhouse, a gold medallist in the 100m breaststroke in the 1988 Seoul Games, said given China's vast population of 1.3 billion and the country's state-backed elite sports programmes, it was possible the country's swimming system had simply unearthed a phenomenon.

"There are a lot of people in China. The base of their pyramid is so wide -- if they train thousands and thousands and thousands of kids they might have just found their Michael Phelps," Moorhouse said.
"They might have found this really talented kid who can work really hard, whose got the perfect shape and can cope with all the pressure that's thrown at her," he added.

Phelps's coach Bob Bowman became the latest to voice support for Ye, describing attacks on her as "unfair."

"I think it is a natural cynicism that results from the history, the long history, of what has happened with China in this sport," Bowman told Britain's Daily Telegraph.
"Having said that I think it is unfair to immediately just jump on someone who has had an extraordinary swim because it is something that happens."

 

[streetcry]

Swimming Women's 400m Individual Medley Final - China United States China Highlights from the Aquatics Centre at the London 2012 Olympic Games. -- 28 July 2012

Gold Medal - YE Shiwen (CHN) - NEW WORLD RECORD
Silver Medal - BIESEL Elizabeth (USA)
Bronze Medal - LI Xuanxu (CHN)


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[streetsmart73]

what new stroke is this ?....Oysterstroke? Abalonestroke?...

hi there


1. hahaha!
2. don't be surprise when ye comes out with a little prick down there.
3. acts something like a balancer or what!

 

[erection2015]

haha rudder leh.

hi there


1. hahaha!
2. don't be surprise when ye comes out with a little prick down there.
3. acts something like a balancer or what!

 

[streetcry]

[h=1]London 2012: Gold medal swimming coach defends Ye Shiwen - video[/h] Swimming coach Jon Rudd, who masterminded Lithuanian Olympic gold medalist Ruta Meilutyte's win, criticises US coach John Leonard for doubting the talent of record-breaking swimmer Ye Shiwen. Leonard called the Chinese 16-year-old's gold medal-winning performance in the 400m individual event 'disturbing' and raised a debate on doping in the sport

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[zeebjii]

If Ye Shiwen had doped and it's systemic, why only enter her in 2 races and we do not see any other Chinese swimmers winning Gold, besides Sun Yang, and he wins only 1 Gold.

If it's a dope regime, then it's a major failure and stupidity. But I doubt China is that stupid nowadays to have systemic doping regime, and you guys keep saying China is communist, but if you're key into China's progress, it's now calling itself socialist politically and capitalist commercially.

Look at the women's synchronized diving. Wu Minxia pair up with 3 different partners over 3 different Olympics and still outclass all in the field with big margin. That shows the success of the training system.

Look at Table Tennis, total dominance over 16 Olympics years.

Look at Gymnastics, total dominance over 3 Olympics - Sydney, Beijing & London (yet to see. lol).

If China is on dope, you'll see Liu Xiang breaking his own world record over the years, but this is not the case.

If China is on dope, you'll witness a flourish of golds from its athletics team, [/COLOR]but I doubt so this will happen.

Chinese doping, if any only works in sports where there's absence of black/hegro athletes.

So Chinese even when doped can never do well in sports like football, sprinting, long distance running and the most obvious one-BASKETBALL.

 

[chorut]

if you tell any amateur european rider involved in competitive cycling that the tour de france is clean, they will laugh at your naievity.

anyone involved in cycling knows without drugs it will take 2 months to complete the race instead of the standard 20 days.

ditto for swimming.

China is king in sports involving technique and dexterity.
It needs something extra to win power sports against naturally better built human races.

What a load of unsubstantiated bull. Talking of power, China won 3 Golds in Weightlifting so far (Men & Women) and more coming this week. Check out the facts and not rumors.

 

[chorut]

Chinese doping, if any only works in sports where there's absence of black/hegro athletes.

So Chinese even when doped can never do well in sports like football, sprinting, long distance running and the most obvious one-BASKETBALL.

What nonsense racist shit are you spewing? Try saying this on Tweeter and you'll be lambasted till kingdom cometh.

 

[yellowarse]

So Chinese even when doped can never do well in sports like football, sprinting, long distance running and the most obvious one-BASKETBALL.

What talking you?

Liu Xiang was the first person - black, white, brown or yellow - to go under 12.90s for the 110m hurdles when he set the world record of 12.88s in 2006 in Switzerland.

He equalled the current world record of 12.87s this year in Oregon, but the record wasn't ratified because of a slight tailwind.

The world record for the women's 10,000m was set by Wang Junxia in 1993. It remains the longest held track record in the world, and is yet to be broken today.

And Yao Ming, at 2.26m and the 2nd tallest in the NBA (after the plodding Shawn Bradley) was widely considered at his peak to be the most agile big center in the sport. Many commentators said he played like a small forward.

 

[eatshitndie]

Why do you think I got hooked?

one of these days, they're gonna snap off your lanjiao with their powerful cunts. :o

 

[chuckyworld]

You guys got it all wrong.

To all competing countries except good old USA... yeah ...you better listen up.

You can win gold medal preferably not, please refrain from breaking OR or WR.

Uncle Sam (USA) have the exclusives Pattern and Copyright to breaking OR or WR, if any of you does it you will be label as doper and cheater.....period.

As you have seen how uncle sam flex it muscle in Iraq let that be a warning, by the way we are still looking for the tell tale sign of WMD......

 

[Received_by_Kings]

You're just a useless and displaced Singaporean chink. Back to your cage gold or brass and behave yourself as you are untalented and unfit to speak.

Swimming sensation Ye Shiwen became the hottest topic in the office today. I was so fed up with all the accusatory comments that I told all the doubting Thomases that one should not simply pass judgment based on the following few frivolous facts;

1. Over 40 Chinese swimmers have been caught for doping over the years
2. Chinese team caught with enough human growth hormones for a team in Thermos flask carried by a swimmer on arrival in Australia for the Sydney Games
3. Her fellow compatriot Le Zhesi also aged 16 was busted a few months ago for doping

And Ye herself said the following “There’s absolutely no problem with doping. The Chinese team has always had a firm policy of anti-doping.”. So there you have it - only China has a firm anti-doping policy and it came straight from the horses mouth. No other country has it.

Watch this space as bio-mechanical and pacing experts get into the act.

 

[tonychat]

i am still waiting for the physical test result of Ye, if it turn out that she is dope-negative, then i will go to the USA forum and blast their yankie shit away.

 

[votepapout]

Olympics: Ye's Australian mentor says doping claims wrong
Posted: 02 August 2012 1637 hrs

SYDNEY: An Australian mentor of Chinese swimming sensation Ye Shiwen has slammed claims her Olympic achievements were fuelled by drugs, saying he was "100 percent certain" the teenager was clean.

The 16-year-old's explosive win in the Olympic 400m medley in world record time drew allegations of doping from John Leonard, executive director of the World Swimming Coaches' Association.

His suspicions were raised after her astonishing final lap was faster than US winner Ryan Lochte and Michael Phelps in the men's competition.

Ye knocked five seconds off her own personal best time and has since added the 200m medley gold.

But Denis Cotterell, the former coach of Australian Olympic gold medallist Grant Hackett, has trained Ye and other top Chinese swimmers and said he was "100 percent certain" the youngster was clean.

"You have to have a look at the improvements in Beijing," he told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation of Chinese swimmers.

"It is a combination of their talent and their work ethic."

Cotterell said Ye's five-second improvement was not a one-off, pointing to Ian Thorpe and Michael Phelps as swimmers who also excelled early.

"(There have) been great achievements by people in the sport, it's part of the history ... and talent comes along and makes a good drop and shocks a few people but we generally seem to have accepted it," he said.

"But for some reason in this case now, it's not, because of the Chinese (history of drug use).

"Ian Thorpe, no one questioned. Michael Phelps, no one questioned," he added.

"And having worked with the girl and seeing how hard she works and the talent she is, it is disappointing that the kid is in the media conference on her own with 100 journalists having to defend herself."

Swimming's world governing body FINA has insisted there was "no factual basis" for speculation Ye's medley double was aided by banned drugs and she has also won support from numerous pool greats.

- AFP/de

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Using pussy power, she managed to push her way to an extra 5 second improvement. Swimmers use their entire feet but if they also used their toes to propel them then that's another 2-3 seconds over a 400 metre race. With rare pussy power blowing warm air out during body thrusts, a 5-second improvement is not impossible.

 

[Kuailan]

swimming sensation ye shiwen became the hottest topic in the office today. I was so fed up with all the accusatory comments that i told all the doubting thomases that one should not simply pass judgment based on the following few frivolous facts;

1. Over 40 chinese swimmers have been caught for doping over the years
2. Chinese team caught with enough human growth hormones for a team in thermos flask carried by a swimmer on arrival in australia for the sydney games
3. Her fellow compatriot le zhesi also aged 16 was busted a few months ago for doping

and ye herself said the following “there’s absolutely no problem with doping. The chinese team has always had a firm policy of anti-doping.”. So there you have it - only china has a firm anti-doping policy and it came straight from the horses mouth. No other country has it.

Watch this space as bio-mechanical and pacing experts get into the act.

power to the tcm in china, o-lim-pig council can't stop china for the doping,

even after testing those altheletes ite came out negative!!! Well done china 'a' team!!

 

[zeebjii]

What talking you?

Liu Xiang was the first person - black, white, brown or yellow - to go under 12.90s for the 110m hurdles when he set the world record of 12.88s in 2006 in Switzerland.

He equalled the current world record of 12.87s this year in Oregon, but the record wasn't ratified because of a slight tailwind.

The world record for the women's 10,000m was set by Wang Junxia in 1993. It remains the longest held track record in the world, and is yet to be broken today.

And Yao Ming, at 2.26m and the 2nd tallest in the NBA (after the plodding Shawn Bradley) was widely considered at his peak to be the most agile big center in the sport. Many commentators said he played like a small forward.

LOL I just know someone will come up with these two names. There will always be exceptions, especially in chinese with over 1 billion people.

Anyway liu xiang has exceptional technique. He'll never make it as a pure sprinter. Freak of nature like yao ming will emege once in while. Does it say something when the world's shortest and tallest man all hail from china?

And it's accepted knowlege now the ma's army records were fuelled by drugs. They 'disappeared' just as fast as they emerged. The women's 100m, 200m, 800m record are even older, times all set by suspected or known dope cheats.

If you want to prove me wrong, show me a chinese world-class sprinter or long distance runner, events where 98 out of 100 runners are black (fyi the other 2 arent chinese!). Or when china can produce a world class basketball or football TEAM.