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Doping - Swimming Sensation?
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If there is one for horses, best!
Couple of points
1. Gone are the days of straight steroids and muscular over development. So don;t both looking for the hulk except amongst neighbourhood gyms.
2. All countries have issues with doping but no other countries has such a high rate of culprits in swimming than China. 40 is no laughing matter. And Ye compatriot of the same age was recently busted. It is a state programme , how did it enter her system. May be the Americans poisoned her.
3. The Chinese operate a State programme similar to E Berlin.
4. If they can be bold enough to con the whole world with the little girl doing a milli vanilli, it tells you the psyche that is behind this.
5. They do it to showcase the invincibility and the power of the Politburo aimed at its own people and their need to hold power. No different to the E Germans. They can;t be bothered about what others thinks.
Lets wait for 8 years and see what happens.
I recall how Lim Hng Kiang, Ho Ching, Mrs Goh Chok Tong and Denyse Tessansohn were fully behind TT Durai despite all the red flags. All highly influential people. So what went wrong.
1. Gone are the days of straight steroids and muscular over development. So don;t both looking for the hulk except amongst neighbourhood gyms.
2. All countries have issues with doping but no other countries has such a high rate of culprits in swimming than China. 40 is no laughing matter. And Ye compatriot of the same age was recently busted. It is a state programme , how did it enter her system. May be the Americans poisoned her.
3. The Chinese operate a State programme similar to E Berlin.
4. If they can be bold enough to con the whole world with the little girl doing a milli vanilli, it tells you the psyche that is behind this.
5. They do it to showcase the invincibility and the power of the Politburo aimed at its own people and their need to hold power. No different to the E Germans. They can;t be bothered about what others thinks.
Lets wait for 8 years and see what happens.
I recall how Lim Hng Kiang, Ho Ching, Mrs Goh Chok Tong and Denyse Tessansohn were fully behind TT Durai despite all the red flags. All highly influential people. So what went wrong.
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She's just won the 200m IM in a new Olympic record.
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ok, ioc have spoken and have come to her defence, and it's official now. according to the ioc, she has been tested by wada, and she's clean from a series of tests which last or have durations for at least a year. i accept the official stance by the ioc, until future tests prove otherwise.
of course, wada can only do so much playing catch-up with the most sophisticated drug doping and gene doping advancements out there. possibly in gene doping, wada may never catch up. it will perhaps require up to a decade to catch up, but by then the science and tech of doping, especially gene doping, will have leapfrogged a decade ahead. steroid doping is rampant in professional sports in the u.s. billions of dollars are at stake. it's a multi-billion dollar industry in the u.s. now that gene therapy and gene doping high tech is becoming available, the demand and money will move there.....rapidly....in olympic and world record speed. no country, except papua new guinea and bangladesh, is clean. :p
of course, wada can only do so much playing catch-up with the most sophisticated drug doping and gene doping advancements out there. possibly in gene doping, wada may never catch up. it will perhaps require up to a decade to catch up, but by then the science and tech of doping, especially gene doping, will have leapfrogged a decade ahead. steroid doping is rampant in professional sports in the u.s. billions of dollars are at stake. it's a multi-billion dollar industry in the u.s. now that gene therapy and gene doping high tech is becoming available, the demand and money will move there.....rapidly....in olympic and world record speed. no country, except papua new guinea and bangladesh, is clean. :p
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That's the "Lance Armstrong" defense. "I've been tested more than 500 times throughout my career and never failed!".
However, USADA is still after his ass and things are coming to a head.
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USADA is a disgrace for going after their citizen, china will never do it
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usada, imo, is more advanced and aggressive than wada in catching up with dopers. dopestrong will face the music nonetheless.
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Congrats, Shiwen. You did GREAT!!!
I watched the 200m IM swim, and again, she trailed in 3 legs
and only in her last freestyle leg, she swam passed Alicia Coutts. If she's on dope,
it would be really freaking dumb for her coach and her to adopt this strategy. This
manner of swim is similar to her 400m IM, where she capitalized on her freestyle prowess.
My only suspicion is why she did not enter herself for the 200m freestyle. Hmmm....
Ye is congratulated by Caitlin Leverenz (left) of the United States, Alicia Coutts (top) of Australia and Katinka Hosszu (right) of Hungary
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ley-setting-Olympic-record.html#ixzz22F0wo8c0
I watched the 200m IM swim, and again, she trailed in 3 legs
and only in her last freestyle leg, she swam passed Alicia Coutts. If she's on dope,
it would be really freaking dumb for her coach and her to adopt this strategy. This
manner of swim is similar to her 400m IM, where she capitalized on her freestyle prowess.
My only suspicion is why she did not enter herself for the 200m freestyle. Hmmm....
Ye is congratulated by Caitlin Leverenz (left) of the United States, Alicia Coutts (top) of Australia and Katinka Hosszu (right) of Hungary
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ley-setting-Olympic-record.html#ixzz22F0wo8c0
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i have given it a bit if thought
china want as much gold as possible, they do not care who got it
they have lots of good swimmers
so they spread out the load, the party choose which race you enter
usa different, they leave their swimmer to choose whatever race they want to enter
one about greater good, another about individual glory
china want as much gold as possible, they do not care who got it
they have lots of good swimmers
so they spread out the load, the party choose which race you enter
usa different, they leave their swimmer to choose whatever race they want to enter
one about greater good, another about individual glory
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Well, I was comparing 2011 World Championship results and this London Olympics for all the girls' timings.
Ye Shiwen clocked 2:08:90 in 2011 and was touted as a prodigy, and it seems that some dumb reporters/commentators prefer to forget that in London Olympics 2012, both COUTTS Alicia (2:08.15) and LEVERENZ Caitlin (2:08.95), both of them lowered their timings and COUTTS Alicia (2:08:15) beats Ye Shiwen's timing (2:08:90) set in World Championship 2011, and LEVERENZ Caitlin (2:08:95) came close too.
Besides all the girls bettered their own timings and slashed around 1s off their own timings. So, there you're. No bullshit. No doping, I'm afraid. The competitors themselves knew it and that's why they were so quick to congratulate Ye Shiwen, unlike some coach potatoes here, talking about some gene and marrow doping black-market therapy, when it's only 2 Gold medals at stake for China. China's other swimmers all did not fare well, except Sun Yang. If it's doping, I'll like to see a systemic pattern in the Chinese swimmers performance across board, but there is NONE.
London Olympics 2012
YE Shiwen 2:07.57
COUTTS Alicia 2:08.15
LEVERENZ Caitlin 2:08.95
RICE Stephanie 2:09.55
KUKORS Ariana 2:09.83
Shanghai World Championship 2011
YE Shiwen 2:08:90
COUTTS Alicia 2:09:00
LEVERENZ Caitlin 2:10.40
RICE Stephanie 2:09.65
KUKORS Ariana 2:09.12
Read all about the progress and timings of the main competitors during the 2011 World Championship:
Source: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/27664.asp
SHANGHAI, China, July 25. THE host nation erupted with joy when China's Ye Shiwen became the first swimmer in a textile suit to break the 2:09 barrier in the women's 200 IM at the FINA World Long Course Championships.
Ye dropped the hammer on the final two laps of the race, much to the delight of the Chinese in Shanghai, and clocked an astonishing time of 2:08.90. That swim eclipsed her previous textile best of 2:09.37, and gave hope that maybe a textile-clad swimmer might track down Ariana Kukors' world record of 2:06.15 from the techsuit era. Ye's time from this evening is the 10th fastest of all time.
"I am satisfied with my swim," Ye said. "Before the race, I was very nervous. I'm weak in the butterfly, so I was trailing in the first leg. At one moment, I thought that I couldn't catch up with the leaders, so I just gave it all I had. With about 20 meters to go, I was quite sure that I could win."
Australia's Alicia Coutts nearly joined Ye under 2:09 with a scorching time of 2:09.00 for silver to give the Aussies a second consecutive silver medal in the event. Stephanie Rice took second to Kukors of the U.S. back in 2009. Kukors, meanwhile, settled for bronze with a 2:09.12.
"I'm really happy and excited," Kukors said. "Ye was incredible in the last 50 meters. I am incredibly happy, like I said yesterday, a couple of girls had the chance to win."
Ye's win is the first for China in the event since the drug-tainted victory by Wu Yanyan back in 1998. Heading into the techsuit era, Wu's 1997 world record of 2:09.72 had always been the benchmark for swimmers in the event. With Rice's fourth-place 2:09.65, four swimmers went under that former world record.
USA's Caitlin Leverenz (2:10.40), Hungary's Katinka Hosszu (2:11.24), Great Britain's Hannah Miley (2:11.36) and Canada's Julia Wilkinson (2:16.18) also were part of the historic race.
Ye Shiwen clocked 2:08:90 in 2011 and was touted as a prodigy, and it seems that some dumb reporters/commentators prefer to forget that in London Olympics 2012, both COUTTS Alicia (2:08.15) and LEVERENZ Caitlin (2:08.95), both of them lowered their timings and COUTTS Alicia (2:08:15) beats Ye Shiwen's timing (2:08:90) set in World Championship 2011, and LEVERENZ Caitlin (2:08:95) came close too.
Besides all the girls bettered their own timings and slashed around 1s off their own timings. So, there you're. No bullshit. No doping, I'm afraid. The competitors themselves knew it and that's why they were so quick to congratulate Ye Shiwen, unlike some coach potatoes here, talking about some gene and marrow doping black-market therapy, when it's only 2 Gold medals at stake for China. China's other swimmers all did not fare well, except Sun Yang. If it's doping, I'll like to see a systemic pattern in the Chinese swimmers performance across board, but there is NONE.
London Olympics 2012
YE Shiwen 2:07.57
COUTTS Alicia 2:08.15
LEVERENZ Caitlin 2:08.95
RICE Stephanie 2:09.55
KUKORS Ariana 2:09.83
Shanghai World Championship 2011
YE Shiwen 2:08:90
COUTTS Alicia 2:09:00
LEVERENZ Caitlin 2:10.40
RICE Stephanie 2:09.65
KUKORS Ariana 2:09.12
Read all about the progress and timings of the main competitors during the 2011 World Championship:
Source: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/27664.asp
SHANGHAI, China, July 25. THE host nation erupted with joy when China's Ye Shiwen became the first swimmer in a textile suit to break the 2:09 barrier in the women's 200 IM at the FINA World Long Course Championships.
Ye dropped the hammer on the final two laps of the race, much to the delight of the Chinese in Shanghai, and clocked an astonishing time of 2:08.90. That swim eclipsed her previous textile best of 2:09.37, and gave hope that maybe a textile-clad swimmer might track down Ariana Kukors' world record of 2:06.15 from the techsuit era. Ye's time from this evening is the 10th fastest of all time.
"I am satisfied with my swim," Ye said. "Before the race, I was very nervous. I'm weak in the butterfly, so I was trailing in the first leg. At one moment, I thought that I couldn't catch up with the leaders, so I just gave it all I had. With about 20 meters to go, I was quite sure that I could win."
Australia's Alicia Coutts nearly joined Ye under 2:09 with a scorching time of 2:09.00 for silver to give the Aussies a second consecutive silver medal in the event. Stephanie Rice took second to Kukors of the U.S. back in 2009. Kukors, meanwhile, settled for bronze with a 2:09.12.
"I'm really happy and excited," Kukors said. "Ye was incredible in the last 50 meters. I am incredibly happy, like I said yesterday, a couple of girls had the chance to win."
Ye's win is the first for China in the event since the drug-tainted victory by Wu Yanyan back in 1998. Heading into the techsuit era, Wu's 1997 world record of 2:09.72 had always been the benchmark for swimmers in the event. With Rice's fourth-place 2:09.65, four swimmers went under that former world record.
USA's Caitlin Leverenz (2:10.40), Hungary's Katinka Hosszu (2:11.24), Great Britain's Hannah Miley (2:11.36) and Canada's Julia Wilkinson (2:16.18) also were part of the historic race.
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Controversy is swirling around Rhode Island Olympian Elizabeth Beisel's loss to a 16 year old Chinese swimmer. Rumors are flying about how the teen swam so fast.
What has people opening their eyes is how quickly Ye Shiwen finished the last eighth of Saturday's race. She beat Beisel by nearly three seconds. The North Kingstown native's family is a little suspicious.
It was business as usual outside Milton Wolferseder's Providence shop, Tuesday, but across the pond in London, rumors are swirling about whether his granddaughter, Elizabeth Beisel, deserved more than the silver medal.
"Well I'm very suspicious," said Milton, "I'm not going to say outright how I feel, but I do imagine there must have been something there because she was so fast."
He's talking about 16 year old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen, who bested Beisel, Saturday, for the gold and shattered a world record.
"There's no way a little snip of a girl, about five feet tall and 98 pounds can swim that fast," said Milton.
Beisel's grandpa isn't the only one thinking this way. There's suspicion the young Chinese swimming sensation may have been doping. Ye Shiwen tested clean.
"I mean these are the world's best athletes competing at the very highest level. We've seen all sorts of
records broken already all over the place," said International Olympic Committee spokesperson Mark Adams.
Another 16 year old Chinese swimmer was caught doping last Spring, and the team was shamed by dozens of positive tests in the 90's. Beisel's former teammates at North Kingstown High said they've never seen anyone finish a 400-meter that fast.
"Doing that last 50 at full sprint after doing that giant race and beating Liz after we thought she was going to get the gold is something I've never seen before in swimming," said teammate Bryan Flanagan.
But Liz's uncle said, gold or silver, they're proud of their hometown girl.
"Oh we're just ecstatic," said Beisel's uncle Bob Wolferseder, "My wife hung a big banner over the front door that says 'Elizabeth Beisel, Silver Medal Winner.'"
Chinese officials and athletes have slammed the comments. Meanwhile, Beisel has her next qualifier in London Thursday. Finals are Friday.
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What has people opening their eyes is how quickly Ye Shiwen finished the last eighth of Saturday's race. She beat Beisel by nearly three seconds. The North Kingstown native's family is a little suspicious.
It was business as usual outside Milton Wolferseder's Providence shop, Tuesday, but across the pond in London, rumors are swirling about whether his granddaughter, Elizabeth Beisel, deserved more than the silver medal.
"Well I'm very suspicious," said Milton, "I'm not going to say outright how I feel, but I do imagine there must have been something there because she was so fast."
He's talking about 16 year old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen, who bested Beisel, Saturday, for the gold and shattered a world record.
"There's no way a little snip of a girl, about five feet tall and 98 pounds can swim that fast," said Milton.
Beisel's grandpa isn't the only one thinking this way. There's suspicion the young Chinese swimming sensation may have been doping. Ye Shiwen tested clean.
"I mean these are the world's best athletes competing at the very highest level. We've seen all sorts of
records broken already all over the place," said International Olympic Committee spokesperson Mark Adams.
Another 16 year old Chinese swimmer was caught doping last Spring, and the team was shamed by dozens of positive tests in the 90's. Beisel's former teammates at North Kingstown High said they've never seen anyone finish a 400-meter that fast.
"Doing that last 50 at full sprint after doing that giant race and beating Liz after we thought she was going to get the gold is something I've never seen before in swimming," said teammate Bryan Flanagan.
But Liz's uncle said, gold or silver, they're proud of their hometown girl.
"Oh we're just ecstatic," said Beisel's uncle Bob Wolferseder, "My wife hung a big banner over the front door that says 'Elizabeth Beisel, Silver Medal Winner.'"
Chinese officials and athletes have slammed the comments. Meanwhile, Beisel has her next qualifier in London Thursday. Finals are Friday.
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mystery solved, and root cause found. it's chinese cheebye power.
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She flaps her labia for additional propulsion???
that and vaginal fart. :o
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erection2015
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what new stroke is this ?....Oysterstroke? Abalonestroke?...
She flaps her labia for additional propulsion???
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British Olympic Association's chairman has said, after a US coach cast doubt on her world record-breaking swim.
Lord Colin Moynihan said Ye, 16, had passed drug tests, was "clean" and deserved recognition for her talent.
Lord Colin Moynihan said Ye, 16, had passed drug tests, was "clean" and deserved recognition for her talent.
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That's what they said about Lance Armstrong. It's a different story now.
Those words may come back to bite him.
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She flaps her labia for additional propulsion???
....and that may have caused the ever twitching of one of your eyes.
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