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http://www.straitstimes.com/business/invest/6-little-known-facts-about-the-cpf

6 little-known facts about the CPF
Lorna Tan
Invest Editor/Senior Correspondent
Published
Sep 4, 2016, 5:00 am SGT
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More members are looking at putting more into CPF accounts with better rates amid low yields elsewhere

With the Central Provident Fund (CPF) enhancements making headlines in recent months, more CPF members are waking up to the fact that there is a viable investment tool in their backyard.

The low-yield environment makes even the Ordinary Account rate of 2.5 per cent appear attractive, not to mention the Retirement Account (for those above 55), which attracts up to 6 per cent interest.

The chatter these days seem to be skewed towards how people can put more into CPF to grow their nest egg, rather than withdrawing.

To recap, the first slew of recommendations by the CPF Advisory Panel was announced early last year. They involve different payout options and the flexibility of deferring payouts up to age 70 so as to receive more cash later. Last month, the last few recommendations, which include a CPF Life escalating payout option, were announced.

Despite the CPF Board's publicity campaign and articles written about the changes, some still find the CPF schemes complex and difficult to understand, judging from queries to The Sunday Times, as well as those posed during the question-and-answer session at the CPF Retirement Planning roadshow on Aug 27.

The first recommendations by the CPF Advisory Panel last year involve different payout options and the flexibility of deferring payouts up to age 70. Last month, new recommendations, which include a CPF Life escalating payout option, were announced. ST PHOTO: KUA CHEE SIONG

Here are six little-known facts about the CPF:

1. TOPPING UP YOUR CHILDREN'S CPF ACCOUNTS

Every Singaporean newborn today has a CPF account set up for him or her by the Government for the purpose of receiving the $4,000 Medisave grant.

For children who are Singapore citizens or permanent residents, a CPF account will be automatically created when a first top-up or CPF contribution is received.

Some wealthier CPF members or those with excess cash have opted to use the CPF as a legacy for their children or grandchildren by topping up their Special Accounts the moment they are born.

In fact, you can contribute up to the prevailing Full Retirement Sum (FRS) of $161,000 into the newborn's Special Account in one go, under the Retirement Sum Topping-Up Scheme.

Some members have already done so.

Imagine the power of compounding over 55 years.

Assuming the Special Account's floor interest rate remains at 4 per cent, your initial contributions would compound to some $1.5 million over the next 55 years.

Another way of topping up your children's CPF accounts is to use the Voluntary Contribution Scheme, currently capped at $37,740 a year.

Contributions can be made to the Medisave Account only (up to the Basic Healthcare Sum) or can be split among the Ordinary, Special and Medisave accounts.

However, bear in mind that unlike cash top-ups to other loved ones like spouses, parents and siblings, you do not receive any tax benefit for topping up your child or grandchild's CPF accounts.

Of course, not everyone will be comfortable with locking up funds for 55 years.

Some financial experts recommend that it would be better to invest the same amount in equities and low-cost index funds - given the very long investment horizon that a young child has - which should reap potentially higher returns.

2. CPF AS A FIXED DEPOSIT OR FIXED INCOME ALTERNATIVE

Some CPF members have taken to actively transferring their Ordinary Account savings to the Special Account to earn the higher interest rates.

But if your Special Account balance - including savings withdrawn under the CPF Investment Scheme - has reached the prevailing FRS, you would be unable to do further top-ups.

In the chase for yields, even the Ordinary Account interest rate of 2.5 per cent a year is not to be sniffed at, particularly if you are comparing it with fixed deposit rates which have fallen to paltry levels. Even the average annual returns of some bonds, such as the Singapore Savings Bonds, have dipped below 2 per cent.

Some insurance policies with guaranteed returns and a fixed tenure - usually three to five years - also pale in comparison with the Ordinary Account interest rate.

If you are below 55 and are confident of setting aside the requisite retirement sums at 55, you can consider the Ordinary Account as an alternative fixed deposit instrument but with less liquidity. Because of the lack of liquidity, this works better for those who are close to 55 and/or are confident they have no need for the cash.

For example, if you are 53 years old, you can park your spare cash savings in the Ordinary Account and consider it as a two-year fixed deposit. This is because if you are able to set aside sufficient savings in your Retirement Account, you can withdraw the rest at age 55 or later, whenever the need arises.

And you can still use the Ordinary Account savings for other investments under the CPF Investment Scheme and to purchase properties, after setting aside $20,000 in your Ordinary Account.

3. CASH REFUNDS FOR CPF SAVINGS USED FOR PROPERTY PURCHASES

One way of putting cash into your Ordinary Account is to do so via a full or partial refund of the CPF savings that you had previously withdrawn for property purchases plus the interest accrued on them.

Some members wrongly believed that they could refund the CPF savings used for their properties only upon the sale of these properties.

Even if the properties are unsold, you can make cash refunds by filling out a CPF form and indicating which property you are making the refund for. However, you should note that such cash refunds are irrevocable.

4. ZERO ORDINARY ACCOUNT BALANCE

Some members wanted to know if it is possible to deplete the Ordinary Account to zero when transferring CPF savings from that account to the Special Account, and still earn the higher interest rates.

This question was raised during the CPF Retirement Planning roadshow. Mr Soh Chin Heng, deputy chief executive officer (services) of the CPF Board, responded that it is possible.

For members below 55, when the Ordinary Account has zero balance, the first $60,000 in the Special Account savings will attract 5 per cent while the remaining balance will enjoy 4 per cent interest.

5. CPF WITHDRAWALS

For members who are 55 and older, have the requisite retirement sums in their Retirement Account, and still have balances in both the Ordinary and Special Accounts, withdrawals will be made from the Special Account first before the Ordinary Account.

CPF said that this is because CPF members may still have commitments such as housing, education and investment after turning 55.

The board says: "As Ordinary Account savings can be used for continued participation in schemes after 55, the withdrawal sequence is catered to the needs of the majority of Singaporeans. Nonetheless, members who wish to benefit from CPF attractive interest rates have the option to top up their Retirement Account under the Retirement Sum Topping-Up Scheme."

6. FREQUENCY OF CPF WITHDRAWALS

Members are not restricted to only one withdrawal a year. Members who have withdrawable balances in their CPF accounts may submit an application any time and the Board will assess the application.

The amount of money that the member may withdraw will still be based on the applicable withdrawal rules and it does not change the amount of savings that can be withdrawn by the member.
A version of this article appeared in the print edition of The Sunday Times on September 04, 2016, with the headline '6 Little- known facts about the CPF'. Print Edition | Subscribe
 
That is a trap. Once you put your money in, you cant take it out and cant use it anyway you wish
 
Years ago, i transferred most of my OA money into my SA to make full use of its higher return. Years of compound interests have enabled my cpf returns to grow much faster than the rate the government can raise the MS. You might as well make good use of the SA since you can't take out the money anyway. It's not wise to empty your cpf account just to buy a hdb flat that is beyond your means.
 
How many here trusts the PAP gov't to look after your money :confused:
Don't forget that it is "our" money & not the PAP's.

They have already unilateraly changed the withdrawal age from 55 to 65:eek: In 10 years time who is to say they won't change the rules again to 70, 75, ... or even 100 years old:rolleyes:
 
Years ago, i transferred most of my OA money into my SA to make full use of its higher return. Years of compound interests have enabled my cpf returns to grow much faster than the rate the government can raise the MS. You might as well make good use of the SA since you can't take out the money anyway. It's not wise to empty your cpf account just to buy a hdb flat that is beyond your means.

Sir, I did just that I transfered all my OA to SA after I paid off my hdb. ;)
 
Pretty dumb to compare the yield of investments that are near or short term to something which has a expiry date of 30 years or more.
 
How many here trusts the PAP gov't to look after your money :confused:
Don't forget that it is "our" money & not the PAP's.

They have already unilateraly changed the withdrawal age from 55 to 65:eek: In 10 years time who is to say they won't change the rules again to 70, 75, ... or even 100 years old:rolleyes:

wud you deposit your money in Bank of Africa or Bank of India or Bank of Greece???????????????
 
wud you deposit your money in Bank of Africa or Bank of India or Bank of Greece???????????????

I would rather keep it in a cookie jar. At least I know I where to find it when I need it.

However I keep most of my own money invested in dividend paying equities. Have used the dividend for my living expenses as well as re-investing them. The value of these equities have also appreciated over time.
 
Years ago, i transferred most of my OA money into my SA to make full use of its higher return. Years of compound interests have enabled my cpf returns to grow much faster than the rate the government can raise the MS. You might as well make good use of the SA since you can't take out the money anyway. It's not wise to empty your cpf account just to buy a hdb flat that is beyond your means.

The only reason the flat is beyond your means is because the PAP has made it so.
 
This CPF must be the most complicated retirement plan in the world. It is absurdly complicated. This shit will never fly in a western country. U pretty much need a Harvard MBA to unravel the rules and policies for all the associated plans. Many CPF staff themselves are not clear on these rules. When you talk to CPF, you get directed to the relevant department, eg OA, or Medisave, etc. They have people trained in each of these accounts to answer your question. But as shitizens, we have to know the policies and rules of all the accounts? That is fucking ridiculous. These assholes just create more and more new rules, change them all the time and add new accounts and deductions just to create bureaucracy. U can easily eliminate half the staff in CPF if you simplify it.
 
Eventually you be holding a toilet paper, remember they hve shifted the goal post once. Nothing to prevent it frm happening again, new laws will be intro to delay payment even after ur DEATH.
 
Must learn from others, these people have taken out whatever they can from the CPF : to buy property, investments,.....
Now the PAP are trying to force you pay for medi shield life. Where else in the world is it a criminal offence if you don't pay your premiums:confused:

Medishield is useless if you want to shop for cheaper & better treatment in Malaysia & Thailand.
 
thanks to all for reminding me of medishield, I did a search and found out that those who reside overseas for 5 yrs can request for suspension of the scam, I mean scheme:

In order to qualify for suspension of premium collection, you must have resided outside Singapore for at least five years immediately preceding your application, except for short visits back to Singapore (not exceeding 140 days in total during the five years). As such, you may wish to apply only after you have fulfilled all the criteria.
 
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thanks to TS, I did a search and found out that those who reside overseas for 5 yrs can request for suspension of the scam, I mean scheme:

In order to qualify for suspension of premium collection, you must have resided outside Singapore for at least five years immediately preceding your application, except for short visits back to Singapore (not exceeding 140 days in total during the five years). As such, you may wish to apply only after you have fulfilled all the criteria.

That means absolute shit to those staying overseas, in other words, what they are doing is stealing 5 years of monthly premiums for you for doing nothing. Then after that, you have to tell them to stop stealing from you and then maybe they comply. Any fucking govt with an oz. of common sense will accept a job offer letter and a work visa from an overseas country employer as prima facie evidence that you are not residing in singapore anymore. And therefore, stop stealing your money.
 
Have a couple of questions I been thinking about. Anyone knows the answer for sure?

When I reach 55, assuming full minimum sum in RA. Zero out OA and SA. When I sell my apt couple years down the road and portion that used CPF, plus interest goes back into cpf first.

Questions:
1. Which account does these fund from sale of apt goes into, assuming Minimum Sum(MS) already met
2. Can I take out in small sum enough for my expenses as and when I need these above-MS fund, say, every 6 months? Or how often can I withdraw portion or all of it?
3. In event of divorce, is funds in cpf, including those from sales of apt above MS protected against asset division? Or need to take out that portion above MS and give ex-pouse portion, assuming 50/50 split?
 
Have a couple of questions I been thinking about. Anyone knows the answer for sure?

When I reach 55, assuming full minimum sum in RA. Zero out OA and SA. When I sell my apt couple years down the road and portion that used CPF, plus interest goes back into cpf first.

Questions:
1. Which account does these fund from sale of apt goes into, assuming Minimum Sum(MS) already met
2. Can I take out in small sum enough for my expenses as and when I need these above-MS fund, say, every 6 months? Or how often can I withdraw portion or all of it?
3. In event of divorce, is funds in cpf, including those from sales of apt above MS protected against asset division? Or need to take out that portion above MS and give ex-pouse portion, assuming 50/50 split?

Answer: I am trying my best here, might not be 100% choon

1) All this funds owing to CPF and the interest must go back into OA first. CPF's principal is that you must first put money back into the account that you took it out of. From OA, you can direct to other accounts like SA.
2) Once u reach the age of 55, all your money in OA and SA is automatically transferred to a new account called the Retirement Account. Once your retirement account meets the MS level, you can take out all the difference in a lump sum. If you do this and park it with a financial planner, you can instruct a withdrawal every six months for what u need. Or any frequency and any amount u need. If you choose to leave it in there, how much u withdraw and when u withdraw it is not determined by you, its determined by the CPF. And they will give it to you every month. They are not set up to handle any other withdrawal frequency that you like. And how much they give you is determined by the amount that u leave in there, so once again, its not under your control.
3) In the event of a divorce, the first thing to do is to remove the bitch's name from the CPF nomination. If you divorce, and then sell your matrimonial home because of the divorce, half of any CPF u used to buy the house will go to your ex. Other then that, any funds in your OA and SA is not touched by the divorce. If you have funds in excess of MS and you leave it in CPF, those are not touched by a divorce either.
 
The only reason the flat is beyond your means is because the PAP has made it so.

The expensive flats made many sinkies rich! Rich! How else do you think PAP can win elections so comfortably each time? You think the middle class voters give a real fuck about the GST vouchers and such? The key prize is still the HDB asset, which whether you sell or not, will appreciate in value over its BTO price once the 5 years MOP is up.

Why else do you think PAP lose Aljunied GRC back in 2011? It was largely due to a lot of pissed off youngsters who missed out on their chances to get HDB apartments on the cheap due to a huge shortage supply. They lose a fortune in missed opportunities, got pissed off and voted against PAP.

Majority of HDB owners want their property to appreciate, even if it means screwing their own kids over.
 
The expensive flats made many sinkies rich! Rich! How else do you think PAP can win elections so comfortably each time? You think the middle class voters give a real fuck about the GST vouchers and such? The key prize is still the HDB asset, which whether you sell or not, will appreciate in value over its BTO price once the 5 years MOP is up.

Why else do you think PAP lose Aljunied GRC back in 2011? It was largely due to a lot of pissed off youngsters who missed out on their chances to get HDB apartments on the cheap due to a huge shortage supply. They lose a fortune in missed opportunities, got pissed off and voted against PAP.

Majority of HDB owners want their property to appreciate, even if it means screwing their own kids over.

Those who got BTO opposite Redhill MRT at $280,000 sold at $700,000 --> more than $400,000 after 5 years MOP.

That's about $7,000 a month for doing nothing except complaining!

PAP best!
 
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