'Don't make excuses for poor quality Made-in-China'

[TeeKee]

china health care are horrible. the doctor there are so call the one with the lowest marks.

take singapore, you have to be top of the top to go to medical course. in PRC, it is the worse of the worse, imagine the people that go to ITE in singapore going to medical course and treat you in hospital. and these ite students have lowest paid and very long working hours. and you depend on them to save you.

if you are sick in PRC, better come back to singapore.

also there are too many chinaman in china.

if so bad why Lau Goh went to China for treatment before?

you should watch 大长今, that will dispel your fears of traditional chinese medicine..

 

[jw5]

I think it is not that Chinese products are of poor quality. They can have very high quality if needed. It all depends on what the customer wants.

The Chinese have the manufacturing capability to make products that can meet international standards - just look at Ipods, Iphones and pretty much all notebooks. However many companies come to China looking for good pricing. It is a free market here so if you want cheap you have every other company trying to beat each other to get you a good price.

The best way to look at it is get the Chinese to manufacture for you (they have the quality and price) but you have to do the QC.

As for underbidding, I think it all depends on who the custy is. If Walmart comes a buying, it would be smart to get the Walmart contract even if it were a loss. The company can then use this PR (I supply to Walmart) and sell to many other companies. Do not forget that with a walmart contract your increased volume would probably allow you an even lower pricing.

Samsung is building their gen 8 LCD factory in China. To be able to manufacture at that level, the supply chain is there, the infrastructure is there. It is not just Samsung willing to dump $3B putting up a plant. India has been talking about starting a wafer fab for years but till today I have yet to hear of any such plant taking off. The infra/supply chain is just not there.

The question is not whether they can have very high quality. The question is whether they can consistently produce high quality as a result of high standards and ethics.
Of course they have the capability and resources to produce high quality, but there have been times that due to various factors including human failings, they fail to consistently produce high quality.

 

[Ah Guan]

It all depends on what the customer wants.

Bingo. First fundamental of quality management

Up points

 

[Ramseth]

Morita Akio famously rejected OEM contracts from the likes of RCA and founded his own brand Sony. Today, RCA as a US household name in radios/TVs is consigned to history while Sony has become one of the top brands in the world.

Bill Gates won the DOS contract from IBM, architect of the PC. Today, Bill Gates' Microsoft control most of the PCs in the market while IBM are out of the PC market altogether after selling out to Lenovo of China. This was preceded by Texas Instruments selling out their PC division to Acer of Taiwan. Microsoft have made operating systems, office software suites, games, hardware peripherals, but have never made a PC before, yet they controlled and prospered from the PC market.

Knowing how to make things is one thing. Knowing what works and what makes things work, that's the difference that makes a giant in the field. China so far has learned how to make things, but a country of this size surely have more to offer.

 

[scroobal]

Unlike you and a few others, many either have not read the article or have no clue what the thread is about.

The question is not whether they can have very high quality. The question is whether they can consistently produce high quality as a result of high standards and ethics.
Of course they have the capability and resources to produce high quality, but there have been times that due to various factors including human failings, they fail to consistently produce high quality.

 

[Ramseth]

"Made in wherever" used to be quite important for the more affluent and discerning buyers in the 80s and before, but not after the 90s. Today, if someone sees the brandname Nike, Reebok, Samsonite or Sony, it doesn't matter that the products are made in China or Indonesia or Africa. The brandname inspires the confidence in consumers and sense of prestige for the class conscious. Conversely a China or Indonesia brand, even if after spending tonnes of investments to build factories in USA to get the Made in USA label, won't achieve the same results.

 

[limpeh2]

Actually I kinda agree with some posters here about China's manufacturing capabilities. You do get what you pay for. Angmo capitalists cuntries need to learn this.

Many angmo companies knew what they're buying into with the pittance they offered even for a developing nation like China. The angmos only hoped that no one'd notice the 3rd world quality while they laughed their way to the banks.

After all, China've been manufacturing ICBMs which consistently sent satellites to outer space without blowing up as often as N Korea's or Russia's missile games. To its benefit, China has certainly advanced to the extent that you can certainly buy substandard manufacturing services. You think "quality fade" easy to achieve huh? It balances utter fucked-upness with appearance to work for awhile. That's quite something man.

 

[GoFlyKiteNow]

The question is not whether they can have very high quality. The question is whether they can consistently produce high quality as a result of high standards and ethics.
Of course they have the capability and resources to produce high quality, but there have been times that due to various factors including human failings, they fail to consistently produce high quality.

Samsung imports all the critical parts from Korea for their final assembly in China..and maintain their own QC control and management in their China plants.

The low wages in china was the main reason Samsung and others were in China in the first place.

 

[singveld]

if so bad why Lau Goh went to China for treatment before?

you should watch 大长今, that will dispel your fears of traditional chinese medicine..

when did i said traditional chinese treatment, i meant the western medicine in china.
lau goh can jump off a cliff, for all i care. i would not tell him china medicine bad, i will tell him good very good, go there. if you see him, can you ask him where is our swiss standard of living?

 

[cunnosieur]

Made-in-China Quality

Profile of BOC Accounts Relationship Mgr

EXPERIENCE
Jan. 2002 – Dec. 2005 Bank of China, Singapore Branch


Account Relationship Manager – Corporate Banking Department

 Liaise with arrangers on syndication loans deals;
 Information gathering, assessing and analysing of macro economy, industry, multinational corporates etc.
 Prepare and present of credit proposals;
 Prepare annual review reports for existing portfolios;
 Draft various reports to Head Office;
 Draft, edit and finalise credit manual of the department in Chinese (over 120 pages)
 Translate credit manual of the department into English.


Sep. 1998 - Dec. 2001 The Kwangtung Provincial Bank
Singapore Branch
(KPB merged with Bank of China since
1 Jan.2002)

Senior Officer – China Business Department

 to build and expand customer base;
 to minimise problem loan facilities, increased interest income by 30% within year of 1999;
 to go on business trips whenever necessary;
 handling perplexing projects which involved in legal procedures;
 to draft reports to Head Office;
 to communicate well with senior managers and junior staffs.


EDUCATION
1982–1986 Northwest Normal University, Lanzhou, China
B.A., English Language & Literature.

1990–1991 Gansu International Trade Institute, Lanzhou, Chin

 

[GoFlyKiteNow]

Poorly Made in China

The subtitle of Paul Midler’s book is “An Insider’s Account of the Tactics Behind China’s Production Game.” Midler is an American who helps American and European companies get stuff made in China.

The book is about how, in a dozen ways, Chinese manufacturers manage to make manufacturing deals more profitable to them at the expense of their customer — and, often, the ultimate consumer. Most of the book is about what happens to an unnamed American company that imports “telephone numbers” of beauty products. One problem is “quality fade.” The product slowly gets worse until the importer objects. For example, at one point the fragrance put in liquid soap was changed. Instead of different fragrances for products with different labels, almond was used in every case. So a product labeled Aloe Vera smelled of almond. (I discovered I couldn’t trust flaxseed oil made in China.)

A friend of mine became a vegetarian after working at Burger King. Midler had a similar conversion:

I found myself losing faith in all sorts of products manufactured in China. I was soon careful to purchase health and beauty products that were not made by local [i.e., Chinese] companies, but by large, multinational corporations — but then I realized the body wash I had been using, while it was made by a reputable global company, was actually manufactured in a plant located in South China. . . . I knew these production managers well. . . . They believed that what a customer didn’t know couldn’t hurt him.

I found myself using less body wash, eventually relying on only hot water for my showers. When no one seemed to notice the difference, I stopped using the wash altogether. And then I stopped using soap, as well. . . . Why take any chances?

The attitude of cheat your customer as much as possible isn’t a great long-term strategy, as Chinese manufacturers are learning — the situation used to be even worse. A friend of mine analyzes the situation like this: For a long time Chinese were taught Confucianism. When the Communists took over, that changed to The state is God. Now that system of morality is gone, but nothing’s replaced it. In Systems of Survival, Jane Jacobs wrote about two systems of morality, a “guardian syndrome” and a “commercial syndrome.” The commercial syndrome, appropriate for trading, placed great weight on honesty. (The guardian syndrome, in contrast, placed great weight on loyalty.) Behind Jacobs’s classification was the implication that these syndromes had evolved because they worked better than other possibilities.

Poorly Made in China was easy to read. It has those two essential elements: it’s a series of stories, long and short; and the author feels strongly about his topic.

 

[scroobal]

Thats not the topic or the issue. You get what you pay for applies the world over. Name me one country in the world that delivers more than what you pay for.Maybe Iceland where Santa Claus is.

ICBM logic is misplaced. Do you know why China made cars are not popular unless they are manufactured and badged (QC and factories managed by foreigners). General Electric supplies the jet engines for china made commercial aircraft but no GE employee is allowed to fly in one for test or any other purpose. Do you know how many ICBM crashed. If China took 1 month to admit to SARS despite WHO and the rest of the world knowing, you think they are going to tell you about ICBM crashes.

Do you think there is UN body that monitors successful ICBM flights.

You do get what you pay for.

 

[limpeh2]

Thats not the topic or the issue. You get what you pay for applies the world over. Name me one country in the world that delivers more than what you pay for.Maybe Iceland where Santa Claus is.

That *is* the issue.
The angmo companies're very short-termed thinkers. Without a sustainable demand for bottom of the barrel prices for manufacturing sans quality, do you think China'll continue to be the world's "factory" for fading quality products? It's like economic heroin for the angmo corporate types and is not new at all. The angmos create the demand for services like that & China with its hedonistic generation scamper to provide them. The consumers like you and me suffer because we continue to pay high prices for products now costing less than 1/10 in production costs, of what they're used to be. But back then, they actually supported local jobs, now locals're unemployed. Who wins here, really? Think about it.

I'm as "anti"-PRC as the next Sporn these days, but lets not get sidetracked by the traditional angmo treacherous vitriol & responsibility shirking. They've a PhD in creating boogey-men & deniality when they fuck up. With the China manufacturing fiasco, I'd tell that it takes 2 hands to clap.

Do you know how many ICBM crashed. If China took 1 month to admit to SARS despite WHO and the rest of the world knowing, you think they are going to tell you about ICBM crashes.
Do you think there is UN body that monitors successful ICBM flights.

You've to be kidding to say this.
Amerikkka does. Read the news. Amerikkka's spy satellites & intelligence apparatus're just waiting by the sidelines to capture their adversaries slip ups & announce to the whole world.

 

[scroobal]

Lets compare Taiwan and China. Both have the capacity or the skill to manufacture to a high standard that meets the requirements of western advanced nations. Mind you both are 100% homogenous ethnic Chinese, so it has nothing to do with race.

Only one of the two is notorious for cutting corners, product adulteration, dilution etc shortly after the first few batches are delivered that meet specification. Guess which country. These things are reported day in and day out.

When Fonterra, the Kiwi company that owns 43% of Sanlu asked for immediate recall, both Sanlu and AQSIQ (Chinese State Authority on Quality, Quarantine and Inspection) refused. Fonterra went directly to the NZ PM Helen Clark who immediately intervened.

 

[cunnosieur]

WHERE GOT POOR QUALITY?

 

[coolguy]

The previous post by Longbow says it all.

Many people tend to forget the fact that production quality has to be managed when work is subcontracted. If Suntech City was built by bangla workers alone, do you think it will still be standing today?

Any organisation is susceptible to quality fade because of declining control over time, complacency, morale etc. Example: PAP

Hello. I give out of the world salary package to attract the best of the apples.
How can there be quality fade in my pappies team?
Better apologise for what you said or be prepared to get sued!

 

[shOUTloud]

For those who thinks that the world does not care as long as the product is cheap, let me pose a question.

I just got back from Comex today and I noted a lot of LCD TV with big big words "Made in Korea" or "Made in Japan" being flashed. What is happening is that people are realising that China products are seriously farked up. These stuff may be cheap but their low quality is causing so much problems that consumers are now asking for products that are not "made in China".

I am starting to do the same myself as well. "Fuji" apples from China? Oh please! I am heading for the Washington apples.

 

[shOUTloud]

WHERE GOT POOR QUALITY?

BTW Cunnosieur, can you please stop it with your constant spamming of PRC girls? I know you kanna conned by them but stop it with your tedious cut and paste of the same nonsense!

 

[Zombie]

I just got back from Comex today and I noted a lot of LCD TV with big big words "Made in Korea" or "Made in Japan" being flashed.

"Made in Japan" may mean parts from Japan, assembled in China/Thailand etc....

If you want to avoid China, you may have to avoid everything.

 

[UpYoz_olo]

Dear Scroobal,

Ethics is the main problem of post Cultural Revolution generations in China. The author gets it right, the root issue is Ethics rather than the end result, poor quality.

One has to understand what Cultural Revolution has done to the many generations of Chinese in order to have a proper perspective on what is going on in China right now.

Cultural revolution has practically wiped off all ethical notions among the whole population at that time. Son and daughters could bring their parents to the streets to shame them, torture their teachers etc. It is a movement that destroy any morality brought upon by Confucius ethics and scholars where the shamed and forced into farming/forced labor.

Under such circumstances, 3 generations (young, middle age and old) of Chinese people have practically lost their moral compass, on what is wrong and what is right. What they care is to make the right moves to keep them alive and out from persecution; be it betrayal of friends or even parents and relatives....etc.

These are the people we are dealing with right now. Those young impressionable people that were molded by the Cultural Revolution.

Goh Meng Seng

I wanted to hold my peace until you came out with this. Aren't you putting your foot into your mouth for previously you praised the Chinese skyhigh about their hunger, their potential, their super-duper quality productions and now you say this.

How do you square the logic of 'young impressionable people that were molded by the Cultural Revolution.' - in your words, going to produce goods that surpass the Japs or Kimchis in quality and sophistry???

Can people absence of any morality produce planes you're comfortable to fly in? You have to be joking right???

:oIo: