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Defending the capable PAP government and explaining policies in a logical manner

winnipegjets said:
If I can get $64 million, I will sing the praises of the PAP till my last breath.
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You must be kidding. I have not gotten any salary or even free points for the past 12 months! :(
 
What a lame thread! If the PAP is capable, it does not need people defending it. If it needs to be defended, then people must see that it could not be capable.

The PAP bastards are the biggest scumbags. I'll throw every kitchen sink and bath tub at it whenever I have the chance. Can you imagine a party consisting of dickheads like Lim Swee Say, Teo Ho Pin, Yeo Guat Kwang, Khaw BW, Teo Serluck, Vikram Nair, Tin Pei ling, just to name a few.?

I feel so defenceless in fact, thinking that these jokers are in charge of the country. By what yardstick can Sam ever say that they are capable?
 
Pap runs the country. So if it's bursting in it's seams, things are too expensive, country is not well run in general, whose fault is it? Simple as that. There is no smoke without fire, doesnt make sense to bring in more people if they cannot improve the lot of most locals.
 
kingrant said:
By what yardstick can Sam ever say that they are capable?
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By the measurable results. I've emphasised this many times over. People get too emotional and too personal when it comes to attacking the PAP.

However, if you take the indices which reflect the health and wealth of the citizens, all of them point to the fact that the PAP is doing an excellent job.
 
1) It is the job of the Ministers to explain their policies. If they don’t know how to do this, they are not worth their OUT OF THIS WORLD salaries. Could also be that the policies are so ridiculous that even a genius could not explain their rationale. More likely the explanation given is not the true rationale. In other words, the motive for the policy is given as “for the good of the country”, but it is quite obvious that it is “for the stifling of dissent” or “for the good of the party and to hell with the country”. Again, the implication is that the Ministers are not worth their OUT OF THIS WORLD salaries.

2) The PAP already pay their IB to be here.

3) This IB does a fucking incompetent job as in here:

SgGoneWrong said:
PAP is a huge disappointment even in the paid IBs they hire. Can't argue convincingly and have to resort to distortion, distraction, name calling, etc. If I were the one who hire these fools, I'll sack them to hire better ones. Not only are they a waste of resources their arguments make PAP seems less credible.
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(to be continued)
 
Cut to the chase and you'll see what a good job the PAP is doing. Despite being a small Island with no natural resources, it punches way above its weight in many sectors.

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4) They have no qualms about using thuggish tactics as in here:

watchman8 said:
WongMengMeng, all of us already confessed that we are PAP IB.
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watchman8 said:
At least PAP pays GD, Lock, me and many others PAP IB double for working on public holidays.
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watchman8 said:
Based on my pap ib database, one of sammyboy nick is the current changi chalet warden. If WMM and his clones continue to waste our time, the warden will have special treatment for the tikko cheapo new inmate.
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Continue to waste our time? The cheek of it! They think PAP owns SammyBoy? FUCK THEM!

5) Their presence and incompetence actually helps the Opposition cause, but their behavior is a nuisance. It seems they have a playbook and escalate in this manner – send crude “reputation comments” like “fuck you; whole family cancer; etc”, use one of their numerous nicks to stalk you and post vulgar replies to your posts; smear you as this or that accused or his friend or supporter; smear you as a clone of another nick; mass zapping your nick and any other nick that supports you; last resort, when all else fails, even smear you as PAP IB! The cheek of it, these useless JiakLiaoBees. So, instead of paying nicks to support the PAP, Sam should look into taking measures against such thuggish behavior. Sam should adopt the square on the inside and round on the onside approach – when dealing with these thuggish PAP IB, he should have no qualms about the kind of tactics used even if it may appear to be thuggish at times.

(to be continued)
 
(continued from post #47)

6) Most First World democracies have a free media. Newspaper A will be pro Conservative, Newspaper B pro Labour, Newspaper C pro Lib Dem, Newspaper D a little bit here and there, etc. In Sinkieland, Shitty Times and MediaCock are pro You Know Who. Hence, there is really nothing wrong with SammyBoy or TRE or whatever being pro Opposition.

7) So, instead of paying nicks to support PAP, how about paying nicks to spot and whack PAP IBs. Actually no need to pay $$$, just give nicks points for accurately spotting these IBs and whacking them when they deserved to be whacked. Or give these nicks adequate buffer to withstand mass zapping from the PAP bastards.

(End.)
 
Leongsam said:
Cut to the chase and you'll see what a good job the PAP is doing. Despite being a small Island with no natural resources, it punches way above its weight in many sectors.

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Main article: Economy of Singapore


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You forget to add 149th in free media. They doctor the figures also like that. Thats why you should always take what they write with a pinch of curry.
 
Poomer said:
You forget to add 149th in free media. They doctor the figures also like that. Thats why you should always take what they write with a pinch of curry.
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I fully support the control of the media. In fact, it is because of the control of information that law and order can be maintained and foreign investment inflows are a result of the stability and security.

As parents, you wouldn't allow your children to read all sorts of rubbish. Same applies to governments running a country.

Governing a country is a balancing act and the PAP has got the formula just right.
 
Many of the contributors mean good when they express their frustration at the way the PAP run a teeny-weeny island like Singapore.

The PAP should pick the good points (not view it as criticism) and work to improve the lot of Singaporeans.

It is no use muzzling the Internet as a way to "quieten dissent".

Learn from the Japanese about the Quality Control Circles (QCCs) system where even the views of a low janitor is accepted by the bosses.

A gardener knows how to better managed the gardens and its flora and fauna. Not a Minister with paper qualification.

Those suffering masses know the meaning of a difficult survival in this island state not those living in ivory towers.

The PAP should accept the views of the Opposition and give them all the respect that they deserve not run them down everytime.

Simple acts like handing over Town Councils in good working order would be ideal for the PAP to continue governing the country with grace.

In today's modern world, the best way to go forward and achieve good is through democratic and persuasive styles not AUTHORITARIAN means.

High-handedness, undemocratic and despotic style has no place in this world where the young are well-connected to the outside world.

I am shy when people in developed countries and even from third-world nations look down on the way Singapore is run. Why must we become pariahs in their eyes just like Zimbabwe, China and North Korea, where people are suffering?

The PAP leadership should take their erring and "adoloscent" leaders to tasks and get rid of them as soon as possible. Leaders who make uncalled for remarks should be shown the exit doors. Many such people in the past have been retained. Isn't this sort of attitude unbecoming?

Dialogues with leaders should be opened to everyone and not specially-selected ones. The TV should screen such dialogues and the leaders should not feel belittled or humiliated as any views coming fromthe people should be accpeted as "contructive-criticism".

There is still time for the PAP to REPENT. This is the HARD TRUTH today.
 
Leongsam said:
I fully support the control of the media. In fact, it is because of the control of information that law and order can be maintained and foreign investment inflows are a result of the stability and security.

As parents, you wouldn't allow your children to read all sorts of rubbish. Same applies to governments running a country.

Governing a country is a balancing act and the PAP has got the formula just right.
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The following is an example of how PAP utilizes the media:

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What the government is doing is wielding traditional media as their propaganda mouthpiece. Let's face it, they is a lack of objectivity when criticism of the government is practically non-existent in traditional media and rosy pictures consistently painted with figures. Ruling party MPs are never censured and their mistakes do not get glorified like the above article. Did you realise Singapore has 2 million more immigrants by counting the foreigners you meet or from the newspapers or TV. They keep it all hush hush, until they can do so no longer.

Furthermore, negative data gets a spin, the figures they quote do not paint the whole picture. One example is when they announced a cap of 20% on foreigner intake in local universities awhile ago. After reading through the article, you realise that the 20% cap is for foreigners, which does not include PRs or naturalised citizens. So clearly, this figure is deflated to give a positive spin, and also, the government have left a loophole for themselves, if you convert all the foreign scholars to PRs under a new fast track PR scheme, they can still get away with it.

Newspaper editors are also told to toe the line or lose their jobs.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/singapore-media-great-survivor-020754478.html
 
Leongsam said:
Please do not call PAP supporters dogs. It is thanks to them that you have a roof over your head and food on the table.
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agree!!!

It is an insult to dogs when anyone associate the term "dog" with pap supporters...




REMEMBER to

VOTE papees OUT



do yrself, yr forefathers and yr generations to come, a favor, a service and a long-awaited justice





;););):D:D:D;););)
 
Leongsam said:
Please do not call PAP supporters dogs. It is thanks to them that you have a roof over your head and food on the table.
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In reality, the nation have been providing welfare state benefits (juz because of one party rule system) to leeches leeching on the system. These leeches wasting nation's time and resources and etc every single second of the Mother Earth's day. By some unfortunate default, we as a nation have to put food on table and tonnes of $$$ for these leeches...




REMEMBER to

VOTE papees OUT



do yrself, yr forefathers and yr generations to come, a favor, a service and a long-awaited justice





;););):D:D:D;););)
 
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Poomer said:
The following is an example of how PAP utilizes the media:

What the government is doing is wielding traditional media as their propaganda mouthpiece. Let's face it, they is a lack of objectivity when criticism of the government is practically non-existent in traditional media and rosy pictures consistently painted with figures. Ruling party MPs are never censured and their mistakes do not get glorified like the above article. Did you realise Singapore has 2 million more immigrants by counting the foreigners you meet or from the newspapers or TV. They keep it all hush hush, until they can do so no longer.

Furthermore, negative data gets a spin, the figures they quote do not paint the whole picture. One example is when they announced a cap of 20% on foreigner intake in local universities awhile ago. After reading through the article, you realise that the 20% cap is for foreigners, which does not include PRs or naturalised citizens. So clearly, this figure is deflated to give a positive spin, and also, the government have left a loophole for themselves, if you convert all the foreign scholars to PRs under a new fast track PR scheme, they can still get away with it.

Newspaper editors are also told to toe the line or lose their jobs.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/singapore-media-great-survivor-020754478.html
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I find the traditional media like the ST to be far more objective than the propaganda conjured up by the opposition.

The best example is the 20% foreigner cap that you mention. The opposition trie to imply that PRs and naturalised citizens are still foreigners which is an absolute lie. PRs aren't foreigners. They are permanent residents which makes them locals. I have PR in NZ and I'm not treated as foreigner. I'm treated 100% as a New Zealander which includes the right to vote in all elections.

Naturalised citizens obviously are citizens in every sense of the word. If only Singapore born citizens are real citizens, then a whole generation that built Singapore weren't Singaporeans either as many were born in Malaysia or China.

If the anti PAP brigade should take care of their own backyard first.
 
Chey no need to talk about PAP here, boss Sam is bestest and smartest came up with a thread like this to separate the pro and the anti
 
Leongsam said:
The best example is the 20% foreigner cap that you mention. The opposition trie to imply that PRs and naturalised citizens are still foreigners which is an absolute lie. PRs aren't foreigners. They are permanent residents which makes them locals. I have PR in NZ and I'm not treated as foreigner. I'm treated 100% as a New Zealander which includes the right to vote in all elections.
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I guess you havent been back for quite awhile ba. The feeling on the ground is angsty. We are overcrowded, infrastructure is straining. The traditional media refuses to take much notice of it. We are being squeezed and tempers are fraying. Foreigners choose to form their own enclaves and integration is minimal.

So you rather compare Singapore with New Zealand, which has a smaller population and approximately 400 times the size of Singapore. Let's use National Service, something every male Singaporean has to go through. First generation PRs don't do NS, a third of 2nd generation PRs choose to give up their PR than to serve NS. I've come into contact with PRs at work, and I can tell you most intend to return to their home country for good at some point or another. The way Singapore hands out their PRs and citizenships, is something like the person distributing flyers at MRTs.

More than 2 out of 5 residents are foreigners or PRs, haven't even count the naturalised citizens. When you go out, somedays you see more foreigners than Singaporeans. In the New Zealand context, bring in 2 million migrants lo(that's what the PAP have done since 2000), then you see how your fellow NZlanders view you. You live in a town with 2000 people, one bangla family of 4 moves in, you'll be like ok, say hi, have a house warming and stuff. Instead you have 250 familes making up a 1000 new residents, you still go over say hi anot. No, you will go to your neighbours, sit down and think how you want to evict or maybe even lynch em. This is xenophobia and it is replayed in many countries throughout the ages.

We are not a racist people by nature, but there is a lack of assimilation, due to the large number of migrants and the lack of acclimatisation due to the short duration, and the feeling like you are a foreigner in your own country. This leads to xenophobia forming.

So maybe that better explains why we some of us choose to view PRs and naturalised citizens as foreigners.
 
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If they take the credit for all the "right" things, than it stands to good reason that all the left-over shit must be their doing too, right?
 
I agree with Boss Sam.

Don't blame everything on the PAP.

Blame yourselves, you silly Singaporeans!! For you who voted for them.. kept them in office up until now. You did not raise a voice when bad policies were passed.. some..(if not) most.. were done without consulting with you.. and some were done so fast that everyone was lost and later nobody cared.

Blame yourselves for not thinking about your future, for what you want it to be.. instead allowing it to be done by them. The "nanny state" has simply done what YOU allowed them to do.

So, don't blame the PAP.. blame yourselves you 60+%.. thank you for making those 30+% share the problems and whatever has been a result of YOUR choice.
 
Singapore is great as a hotel for businessmen to stay in transit to make their pile before leaving. It is not a good place to bring up children or to live life to the fullest. There are many places e.g. Finland where the country is successful without leaving the citizenry feeling broken.

Your good self is a personification of the statement. You still sing songs to celebrate the PAP govt's achievements in all things except a decent full life, but you choose to make NZ your home instead.

What more can the Master of Hypocrisy say?

Leongsam said:
By the measurable results. I've emphasised this many times over. People get too emotional and too personal when it comes to attacking the PAP.

However, if you take the indices which reflect the health and wealth of the citizens, all of them point to the fact that the PAP is doing an excellent job.
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