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Crumbling of Singapore?

TracyTan866 said:
BTW, met the CKT man from Jago Close...he told me that he has gone to Bukit Merah
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no wonder... me get my fix at Old Airport Road Lucky CKT now, followed by some 51 Tao Huey :):):)
coming TOTO draw 3 million. what PM earns in a year, me wish to win it in a day! what chances are there? :*::*::*:
 
zhihau said:
no wonder... me get my fix at Old Airport Road Lucky CKT now, followed by some 51 Tao Huey :):):)
coming TOTO draw 3 million. what PM earns in a year, me wish to win it in a day! what chances are there? :*::*::*:
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I am not familiar with TOTO. Is it 49 numbers and you have to select six?

maybe chance is like 1/(49x48x47x46x45x44)
 
zhihau said:
no wonder... me get my fix at Old Airport Road Lucky CKT now, followed by some 51 Tao Huey :):):)
coming TOTO draw 3 million. what PM earns in a year, me wish to win it in a day! what chances are there? :*::*::*:
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CKT man saw me at East Coast Road and approached me..telling me to visit him at Bukit merah...but I found a similarly good CKT at Bedok South (opposite TJC)
 
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TracyTan866 said:
i still question whether the loss of Cheng San was a blessing in disguise
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Maybe it was, maybe not. Maybe it would have taken the WP out of control of LTK and WP would have been a very different animal from today. I don't really know how JBJ and TLH would have run WP.

Then again, the loss of Cheng San would have sent a message to the PAP that they just can't do anything they want. If there was this big chilling effect on them, they would have reconsidered the foreign talent policy. I think the foreign talent policy was conceived around that time - 1997, year of the Asian financial crisis. The years of big and easy economic growth had come to an end and the PAP was considering whether to use the steroid effect of cheap foreign labour.

With JBJ and TLH in parliament, the PAP might have turned back on its knuckleduster politics, and there would have been a nascent opposition.

Anyway the loss of Cheng San is a very big if because Cheng San's loss wasn't even that close. I remember being quite disappointed with the way it turned out even if I was too young to vote.
 
metalmickey said:
Maybe it was, maybe not. Maybe it would have taken the WP out of control of LTK and WP would have been a very different animal from today. I don't really know how JBJ and TLH would have run WP.

Then again, the loss of Cheng San would have sent a message to the PAP that they just can't do anything they want. If there was this big chilling effect on them, they would have reconsidered the foreign talent policy. I think the foreign talent policy was conceived around that time - 1997, year of the Asian financial crisis. The years of big and easy economic growth had come to an end and the PAP was considering whether to use the steroid effect of cheap foreign labour.

With JBJ and TLH in parliament, the PAP might have turned back on its knuckleduster politics, and there would have been a nascent opposition.

Anyway the loss of Cheng San is a very big if because Cheng San's loss wasn't even that close. I remember being quite disappointed with the way it turned out even if I was too young to vote.
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Good analysis..

Yes If WP had taken Eunos or Cheng San, SG is likely to be quite different today
 
metalmickey said:
Then again, the loss of Cheng San would have sent a message to the PAP that they just can't do anything they want.
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Cheng San rally... if my memory serves me right, word on the ground was that agent provocateurs were on the prowl ready to stir emotions up, ang chia stand by liao... electrifying moments...
 
zhihau said:
Cheng San rally... if my memory serves me right, word on the ground was that agent provocateurs were on the prowl ready to stir emotions up, ang chia stand by liao... electrifying moments...
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if any trouble were to break out at the Cheng San rally site, I guess the pap wld blame the WP
 
zhihau said:
all very orderly, steady poon pi pi one :):):)
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Well you could see 2 different spectres, and 2 different visions of the opposition. The first one was what would have happened if Francis Seow won the elections. I think, at that time, even though you had all that rubbish going on with JBJ, Francis Seow would have been more a Chiam See Tong kind of opposition MP than a fiery JBJ type. Under this scenario, the PAP would have kept on losing a few more seats as the opposition established its credibility. We would probably see around 20 opposition members in parliament. But that would probably be a steady state. The opposition would have paradoxically done the PAP a favour by helping it to rein in its worst instincts.

The other vision was the one that eventually transpired. LKY in "fuck the opposition" mode. A lid was kept on the opposition, and the pressure under that lid built up to such an extent that the it threatens to blow that lid off. You know the drill: lawsuits, hounding people out of jobs, discrimination based on political affiliation, Operation Spectrum, and even Chiam See Tong's quaint old story of how the government tried to kill his favourite potted plant. Because of that, politics in Singapore became a lot more polarised than it could have been. Politics has become more emotive than it could have been. That's why you have all these people on sammyboy yelling "fuck PAP". This is highly entertaining but also a sure sign that something is going wrong.

And in the meantime, the PAP were allowed to make the mistakes they made because all the policies got passed through without running it through proper parliamentary debates.


Because we Sinkies are such sheep, precedents are very important. But the PAP could have prevented all this if they were willing to engage the opposition much earlier. LKY was responsible for the first actions against the opposition. Around that time GKS was on his way out. Would GKS have counselled LKY against this, because GKS is the only person who was the equal of LKY. Or maybe he preferred being a bureaucrat and leave the politics to LKY. GCT being who he is, the one least likely to rock the boat, went along with a simple continuation of the policies of repression. I don't rate GCT at all because most of the policy mistakes that led Singapore down the drain (too many foreigners, rich-poor divide) took place under his watch. Interesting thing is that most of us know even less about LHL than LKY or GCT. To me he is a grey blur (this was a description once used on Stalin). In the first 5 years, he was operating in GCT mode, the same old same old, mode. Then post 2011, a full 7 years into his premiership, suddenly he's got to come out and show us who he is. Exactly who is LHL?

People have talked about LHL saying "sorry" before the elections. To me the really interesting thing he said in that speech was "I am not LKY and LKY is not me". To me he hasn't even done the things he will eventually be remembered for. All those things are still in the future, or have yet to take shape. I don't know who LHL is. Is he the guy who will save the PAP from itself? Is he trying to get off the tiger, the repressive system that his father built? Is he going to keep on blowing smoke in our faces? Is he going to ruin Singapore? Nobody knows yet.

OK, LHL was instrumental in turning Singapore from a nation state into a global city, although how much was GCT and how much was him, we're not totally sure. Maybe all the vanity projects was him.

In any case, that's not as important as the fact that he has left the PAP's backside open for the opposition to tear into.
 
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