Crumbling of Singapore?

[Leongsam]

A "crumbling" nation.

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[Leongsam]

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[TracyTan866]

Re: I Find TracyTan866 Strange

TT has been in SBF for a very long time. She does not talk about sex, her BF and rubbish. So she has only 49 points despite being a vet. She has also noted for her long threads because of the discussion. Years ago she related how her younger brother was suffering during his NS and she had to speak to his superiors twice. At that time she also noticed that SAF personnel can be seen at eateries, food joints and malls eating air in uniform during office hours.

You have good memory.

Why am I strange?

Does not talking abt sex make me strange?
Does not talking aby my BF make me strange?
Does not talking abt rubbish make me strange?

so what makes me strange?

SAF personnel seen often at eateries, food joints regularly during working hours doesnt seem right. By exception is ok...but when it's a norm, it gives the SAF a bad image

 

[TracyTan866]

I am so happy to see this discussion happening in Singapore. The fact that TracyTan886 feels able to make her points without fear (and she makes them so well!) is an amazing thing. There are other signs of healthy discussion. This is a quote from "Defence and Security: Evolving Threat Perceptions" - Derek da Cunha, Institute of SouthEast Asian Studies, published in Singapore in 2002, ISBN 981-230-130-5. From page 147:

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I am glad you enjoyed the discussion. I hope you found it relevant

 

[TracyTan866]

You have to understand the concept of a military defence force during peacetime and during a war. Throw away that idea you have and your experience serving NS as it is wrong.

Peacetime training for all branches of a military defence force is to go through the motion and prepare each individual for their role should they be needed if war breaks out. Only in a battle can true leaders emerge and the mettle of the armed forces be tested. The training provided is to train the individual so they know what to do when they are call up should a war break out. For example, a tank driver is trained to know how to drive a tank, a rifleman on how to use a rifle, a cook on how to prepare food and a medic to give injections. What happens in the battlefield no one can foretell, but at least those who are trained are better prepared.

It seems such a waste of money to spend so much on defence budget. Look at indonesia..SBY has done a great job, quiet building the economy. and he just go abt doing his job and looking at this small lhl huffing and puffing away...in 50years time, Indonesia will still be ard and likely to be prospering. I am less certain abt SG

 

[red amoeba]

Sam keeps saying that SG is well run based on his experiences in NZ and aus...that's subjective reason which I dont subscribe..

My contention that PAP doesnt govern SG well is based on life in SG..

1. growing income inequality
2. neglect of the poor, aged and sick
3. low wage/high cost of living disequilibrium
4. chase of materialism
5. growing social divide
6. high stress levels of young singaporeans
7. the poor purchasing parity
8. high cost of housing
9. road congestion
10. poor quality of life
etc...

to be fair, Sam is right to say it is better compared to what he has seen.

You must have seen / experience black, grey and the shades between to know white. Otherwise, you will think grey = white without seeing grey.

There ought to be some benchmarking. Else, you would think zero is the lowest.

Not that I say PAP is running the country very well. On the contrary it has do with their sterling performance in the past coupled with the fact that they always tell us, that they are best, they have the best people running the show and THEREFORE ought to be paid the highest on this planet (probably this galaxy) makes our witch hunting instincts heighten.

The more you ask, you more you are expected to return. So, a breakdown in MRT is a big issue here whereas in France or in London, its part of routine daily life.

For sure, PAP has made several policy errors along the way, some irreversible, some reversible and some, they are trying to unravel the mess created.

However, PAP is stuck and too deeply ingrained with the old-school way of doing things that it is difficult to change. So, for a moment, they tried to old-handed method, the father telling child method, the voters told them otherwise. Then they tried to engage the voters, a little bit, still retaining the ok, i hear you attitude, but i decide in the end. This election tells them, it is not working as well.

Now, after the elections, for a moment, they changed quickly. LHL cutting short his leave to handle the MRT affair is one. You don't see that during LKY's time. But they still have shades of the old school style surfacing from time to time...like LKY telling Hougang to repent, the warning against slower economy growth with heavier restriction immigration....

Now, i agree with you that SAF ought to pay market rates for NS recruits...but then, it still won't solve the problem. The general consensus against NS is not because of pay. It is because of the idea of Singaporeans sacrificing their youth to protect a bunch of potentially ungrateful PRs / FTs that have the option & luxury of taking a hike out in times of troubles.

 

[TracyTan866]

NS is certainly a Sacred Cow that needs to be slaughtered? Exactly what to take its place depends on what is required. Certainly a lot of money has been spent there and much can be saved. For many years, no one had dared to touch this.

Yes, Singaporeans have been brainwashed by the pap tt NS is the only way for SG...

Does Brunei have NS? is Brunei any less secure?

 

[TracyTan866]

Do you remember some PAP MP talking about segregating the reserves into 3 buckets, and LKY saying if we do so we will kick the bucket?

LKY thinks that he is always right. how often he has been proven wrong

 

[red amoeba]

It seems such a waste of money to spend so much on defence budget. Look at indonesia..SBY has done a great job, quiet building the economy. and he just go abt doing his job and looking at this small lhl huffing and puffing away...in 50years time, Indonesia will still be ard and likely to be prospering. I am less certain abt SG

I am thankful that Indon is what Indon is, else Singapore won't survive. Indon is the next economy powerhouse, potential to join the ranks of BRIGS, as long as they can get their house in order. But culturally, it is not easy - for reasons we well know.

But it does have the potential - for existence, size does really matter.

 

[TracyTan866]

isn't it senseless to be spending so much on conventional defenses when the new face of the challenges in the future had morphed into the common man in the streets, is it?

good point

 

[TracyTan866]

Yes, we are OKTs to the Indons and M'sians when they come to town. After chiong Lido, must arrange with mamasans for pussies and even leave some condoms in their rooms!

And when they go shopping, especially the Indons (wives included), our liaison chaps will foot the bills - golf clubs, Dunhill items, Rolexes, LVs etc. No questions asked. Staff at these outlets always smile when selected Indon and M'sian visitors are in town.

sounds typical of SG

 

[red amoeba]

Yes, Singaporeans have been brainwashed by the pap tt NS is the only way for SG...

Does Brunei have NS? is Brunei any less secure?

different context. Its like asking why Israel need to have NS when Bahrain and Qatar - little countries have none. Oh, on the same note, you know what happened to Kuwait right?

 

[freedalas]

Bad omen to the pap?

Many people believe it is. But personally, I'm not the superstitious type. I believe what's happening to S'pore is a result of PAP's ill-conceived policies and practices that bring impressive short-term results, particularly in generating revenue for the govt, but over the middle and long-term, their follies in coming with such policies are beginning to show or rather have shown. The fault lines are appearing all over the place, be it the floods, the MRT incidents, the high cost of public housing, the strain on public infrastructures due to uncontrolled influx of foreign labour, to just to name a few. In any policies made, whether by a govt or organisation, the short-term results are always positive. And this is where PAP had created the myth that they had turn S'pore to be an incomparable success story. But now that the policies are into the middle-erm, signs are all there that they are failing at the same time bringing much sufferings to the people. You would shudder to think over the long-term how much more damage these policies can do if the PAP doesn't genuinely reverses its mindsets - especially the one on growing its reserves at all cost.

 

[TracyTan866]

Re: I Find TracyTan866 Strange

Didnt Tracy once mention abt her bf's gambling addiction? and that's why she is so against casinos in singapore?

You have good memory..the casinoes bring in a lot of money into SG..but long term, it's gg to kill many Singaporeans and ultimately SG...in the meantime, the casinoes bring in many social problems

 

[TracyTan866]

Re: I Find TracyTan866 Strange

Wow, where have you been? If ever anyone knows about TT, it's got to be you. Why no picture and sound for so long?Yes, very strong on casinos as well.

hahaha.. casinos will cause many to be addicted

 

[TracyTan866]

Not me. I'm wise to your tricks after all these years.

This post sums up your strategy pretty succinctly so I won't belabor the issue any further.

You accused me without basis?

 

[TracyTan866]

Yes it is.



Yes they will provided they give the PAP the support they need to make the necessary hard decisions for the common good.

shall we debate on your claims?

 

[TracyTan866]

Not me. I'm wise to your tricks after all these years.

This post sums up your strategy pretty succinctly so I won't belabor the issue any further.

you have already impeached his credibility and unwittingly demolished him ...

 

[TracyTan866]

Just because it's your "honest opinion" does not make it a fact.

unlike you, I have stated many facts.

 

[TracyTan866]

A "crumbling" nation.

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