Compare Goh Meng Seng's reaction to Palmer with his reaction to YSL

[Goh Meng Seng]

For all it is worth, any person with a balanced mind will see that distinctive difference.

Up till now, YSL still owes opposition supporters an explanation and proper apology on his saga.

No matter how you look at it, whether it is Michael Palmer vs YSL or PAP vs WP, it is so obvious that Michael Palmer and PAP have handled this saga very professionally. Of course you could say that PAP has the upper hand because it controls the media but look at it this way, it didn't have control over TRE or TOC or TRS. I believe it is not a coincidence that all three were hacked and down just a day before this saga was brought to light. TRE has claimed that they have information sent to them one week ago and just like what they did to YSL saga, they have to make verifications on these information and that took them one week on YSL saga.

PAP, knowing the risk that it will no longer able to cover up, go public on it. That is a very decisive move indeed. Unlike WP and YSL, their broken record of "no comment" become very annoying and really put doubts on their integrity.

PAP has managed to cut the damage short, not allowing people to form speculation or doubts on their integrity as a party. It was a very professional swift move and it could protect Michael Palmer right from the start by fending off any more questions on his private affairs by using that line, let him has his privacy... well because he is no longer office holder!

In terms of crisis management comparison, there is no doubt that PAP has matured performed much better than WP in similar situation comparison. You cannot face crisis with just no comment.

As for individual comparison between Michael Palmer vs YSL, for those who really knows YSL, he is not worth mentioning at all. The character flaws run deep down and it is just too smelly to be mentioned. You can just read up on what his ex-business partners say about him to get a slight idea on what a person he is. As for Michael Palmer, I can only comment on how I view him in close contact. Not much deep understanding from me though but let's keep it that way.

Goh Meng Seng

The key differene is that YSL run road and had to be sacked. The sacking was not done lightly and only done as a last resort when all other measures have failed.

MP is worthy of some respect because he came forward and did his part to minimise damage to the PAP. He is therefore the gold standard of what should be done when caught with the pants doown. All oppo leaders should learn from MP and avoid doing a YSL.

 

[Clone]

For all it is worth, any person with a balanced mind will see that distinctive difference.

Up till now, YSL still owes opposition supporters an explanation and proper apology on his saga.

No matter how you look at it, whether it is Michael Palmer vs YSL or PAP vs WP, it is so obvious that Michael Palmer and PAP have handled this saga very professionally. Of course you could say that PAP has the upper hand because it controls the media but look at it this way, it didn't have control over TRE or TOC or TRS. I believe it is not a coincidence that all three were hacked and down just a day before this saga was brought to light. TRE has claimed that they have information sent to them one week ago and just like what they did to YSL saga, they have to make verifications on these information and that took them one week on YSL saga.

PAP, knowing the risk that it will no longer able to cover up, go public on it. That is a very decisive move indeed. Unlike WP and YSL, their broken record of "no comment" become very annoying and really put doubts on their integrity.

PAP has managed to cut the damage short, not allowing people to form speculation or doubts on their integrity as a party. It was a very professional swift move and it could protect Michael Palmer right from the start by fending off any more questions on his private affairs by using that line, let him has his privacy... well because he is no longer office holder!

In terms of crisis management comparison, there is no doubt that PAP has matured performed much better than WP in similar situation comparison. You cannot face crisis with just no comment.

As for individual comparison between Michael Palmer vs YSL, for those who really knows YSL, he is not worth mentioning at all. The character flaws run deep down and it is just too smelly to be mentioned. You can just read up on what his ex-business partners say about him to get a slight idea on what a person he is. As for Michael Palmer, I can only comment on how I view him in close contact. Not much deep understanding from me though but let's keep it that way.

Goh Meng Seng

In before further GMS bashing.

 

[godiva]

GMS u wanna go try your luck in BE? or u scare u kena found out that u r so out of yr depth since there is no others to blame unlike in a grc.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

There will be enough people going for contest here... most likely four corner fight... I don't think I need to interfere with such fun.

Goh Meng Seng

GMS u wanna go try your luck in BE? or u scare u kena found out that u r so out of yr depth since there is no others to blame unlike in a grc.

 

[Reddog]

Why are we still wasting time over this wash-out gms ? *sigh*

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

I have to agree with LTK that it is unfair to compare YSL saga to Michael Palmer saga.... they are way apart in terms of class and professionalism. And of course, WP as a party failed miserably in managing that crisis, allowing it to drag on until too much damage has been done before it took extreme actions. These are two very different class of incidents, though they may be started with the same cause... indiscretion in relationship aka adultery.

To view it fairly, our "best opposition" WP has a long way to go in terms of political crisis management, not to mention anything else.


Goh Meng Seng

 

[godiva]

There will be enough people going for contest here... most likely four corner fight... I don't think I need to interfere with such fun.

Goh Meng Seng

But you are the special one. The rest of politicians pales in comparison with you. Why no balls huh?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Nah, for the time being, I have better things to do.


Goh Meng Seng

But you are the special one. The rest of politicians pales in comparison with you. Why no balls huh?

 

[godiva]

Nah, for the time being, I have better things to do.


Goh Meng Seng

I thought you being the bestest of the best political ANALyst would want to put your political theories into test. Because so far your theories have not landed you anywhere near parliament. Of course maybe thats not your real agenda.

 

[Kinana]

I just don't see the point of gms bashing. The guy is just telling the plain truth that all of us can see.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

The key differene is that YSL run road and had to be sacked. The sacking was not done lightly and only done as a last resort when all other measures have failed.

MP is worthy of some respect because he came forward and did his part to minimise damage to the PAP. He is therefore the gold standard of what should be done when caught with the pants doown. All oppo leaders should learn from MP and avoid doing a YSL.

Agree. The PAP played their cards very well. In my opinion, the internet has made a huge difference. 15 years ago, none of this would have happened. Maybe a simple press release, media told to be compliant and not dramatize things, or maybe if they wanted Palmer to stay there would have been an attempt to cover up. The sister and herself would have resigned two months ago and both of time went to Thailand for a whole year. If the media was allowed to inform the public, forum letters would also be very well managed and the Chua sisters activated to sway public opinion.

Either way the PAP would have easily managed it to be as low-key and as low-damage possible.

Not so in this day and age when words and pictures can be transmitted so easily, bypassing government approved channels, and at such a great speed reaching so many people at once. So they go for the swift and clean, and use this as a selling point to tell voters how transparent they are.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

As for individual comparison between Michael Palmer vs YSL, for those who really knows YSL, he is not worth mentioning at all. The character flaws run deep down and it is just too smelly to be mentioned. You can just read up on what his ex-business partners say about him to get a slight idea on what a person he is. As for Michael Palmer, I can only comment on how I view him in close contact. Not much deep understanding from me though but let's keep it that way.

Goh Meng Seng

GMS, Let's just say the last paragraph alone justifies why I started this thread.

I can concede all the other paragraphs to you. Fine. But definitely not the last one. You're hitting a man below the belt when he's down and in exile. Ok, he's still making more money than you are, but nonetheless still in exile and cannot come home unless he and his poor wife want a giant media circus again.

Don't do that, GMS. You know very well the circumstances, perhaps better than any of us here.

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

For all it is worth, any person with a balanced mind will see that distinctive difference.

Up till now, YSL still owes opposition supporters an explanation and proper apology on his saga.
For that he has been sacked by WP.

No matter how you look at it, whether it is Michael Palmer vs YSL or PAP vs WP, it is so obvious that Michael Palmer and PAP have handled this saga very professionally. Of course you could say that PAP has the upper hand because it controls the media but look at it this way, it didn't have control over TRE or TOC or TRS. I believe it is not a coincidence that all three were hacked and down just a day before this saga was brought to light. TRE has claimed that they have information sent to them one week ago and just like what they did to YSL saga, they have to make verifications on these information and that took them one week on YSL saga.

PAP, knowing the risk that it will no longer able to cover up, go public on it. That is a very decisive move indeed. Unlike WP and YSL, their broken record of "no comment" become very annoying and really put doubts on their integrity.

I thought you have just answered your own question why PAP made such a decisive move.

PAP has managed to cut the damage short, not allowing people to form speculation or doubts on their integrity as a party. It was a very professional swift move and it could protect Michael Palmer right from the start by fending off any more questions on his private affairs by using that line, let him has his privacy... well because he is no longer office holder!

The way you put it seems like PAP has good a great job for this case. No accountability required since Palmer has resigned from office? Whereas WP issue a account for it or face the sack to Yaw. Both making similar mistake. One resigned and walk out with his head up and the other one sacked and left in shame. Since you used the word protect, it means Palmer has indeed done something wrong. Palmer should be sacked and not left to resign.

In terms of crisis management comparison, there is no doubt that PAP has matured performed much better than WP in similar situation comparison. You cannot face crisis with just no comment.

Talk is cheap. WP concluded Yaw gate with action. A forceful one which is to sack him for not accounting for it. Apparently, you are satisfied with what the MIWs have done. A resignation letter and a press conference. Where are the WHEN, WHERE and HOW from Palmer?

As for individual comparison between Michael Palmer vs YSL, for those who really knows YSL, he is not worth mentioning at all. The character flaws run deep down and it is just too smelly to be mentioned. You can just read up on what his ex-business partners say about him to get a slight idea on what a person he is. As for Michael Palmer, I can only comment on how I view him in close contact. Not much deep understanding from me though but let's keep it that way.

Goh Meng Seng

This is no balance comparison since you don't know both equally well. This statement is basically for bashing WP and YSL on your personal ground. See how you try to link your relationship with Palmer as close contact just because of one CNA debate. You have "good" impression of him i assume though not much deep understanding and you hare happy to keep it this way.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Well, you must face the fact that WP has chosen a lemon to become MP of Hougang, nothing personal from me. These comments are not from me, dude. You will have to ask all his past business associates and they will repeat what they have said to the reporters which have been reported on the papers.

His self-imposed exile is basically his own doing and nobody is to be blamed except himself. I do pity his wife but she has chosen her path with him, so be it. I do not think Michael Palmer will need to go into self-imposed exile but YSL, has cast this curse upon himself. Why? According to his past business associates and partners, that's his usual way... always running away at the first sight of problem.


Goh Meng Seng

GMS, Let's just say the last paragraph alone justifies why I started this thread.

I can concede all the other paragraphs to you. Fine. But definitely not the last one. You're hitting a man below the belt when he's down and in exile. Ok, he's still making more money than you are, but nonetheless still in exile and cannot come home unless he and his poor wife want a giant media circus again.

Don't do that, GMS. You know very well the circumstances, perhaps better than any of us here.

 

[tanwahp]

The key differene is that YSL run road and had to be sacked. The sacking was not done lightly and only done as a last resort when all other measures have failed.

MP is worthy of some respect because he came forward and did his part to minimise damage to the PAP. He is therefore the gold standard of what should be done when caught with the pants doown. All oppo leaders should learn from MP and avoid doing a YSL.

I can agree Palmer acted better than YSL, but until the opportunity to prove otherwise arises, the WP acted better than PAP.

No one knows how PAP would react if Palmer chose to evade the press and act wishy washy like YSL. Would PAP have the political courage to expel Palmer? I don't think so.

The unfortunate thing for WP haters is, the next by-election is not a contest between Palmer and YSL, but a contest between WP and PAP.

No matter who acted better, Palmer or YSL, both are goners. On the contrary, the fact that WP dares to expel its MP will be one of my voting considerations for a long time.

 

[KopiO]

Well, you must face the fact that WP has chosen a lemon to become MP of Hougang, nothing personal from me. These comments are not from me, dude. You will have to ask all his past business associates and they will repeat what they have said to the reporters which have been reported on the papers.

His self-imposed exile is basically his own doing and nobody is to be blamed except himself. I do pity his wife but she has chosen her path with him, so be it. I do not think Michael Palmer will need to go into self-imposed exile but YSL, has cast this curse upon himself. Why? According to his past business associates and partners, that's his usual way... always running away at the first sight of problem.


Goh Meng Seng

Tampines GRC chose MBT instead of you. They were wise. You are the lemon. Nothing personal from me.

"These comments are not from me, dude ..." Aliens speaking again?

 

[Clone]

GMS, Let's just say the last paragraph alone justifies why I started this thread.

I can concede all the other paragraphs to you. Fine. But definitely not the last one. You're hitting a man below the belt when he's down and in exile. Ok, he's still making more money than you are, but nonetheless still in exile and cannot come home unless he and his poor wife want a giant media circus again.

Don't do that, GMS. You know very well the circumstances, perhaps better than any of us here.

That's fair comments TFBH.

By neither denying nor confirming the allegations and shunning the media spotlight, YSL had protected the identity of the woman/women in question.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

That's fair comments TFBH.

By neither denying nor confirming the allegations and shunning the media spotlight, YSL had protected the identity of the woman/women in question.

If YSL wanted to protect the ID of the women, he would have resigned and PG from day one, even before the scandal hits the press. He might not have been able to save Angela, at least he could have saved the other two. The other two were exposed due to his delay.

 

[GoldenDragon]

PAP, knowing the risk that it will no longer able to cover up, go public on it. That is a very decisive move indeed.
Goh Meng Seng

You never fail to amaze me. Your statement above is an example of slapping your own mouth.

When confronted with such a problem whereby there is no way to cover up or do so at great risk, what would a person of average intelligence choose?

I believe the PAP came clean on this because the cost of not doing so would be too severe. Nothing to do with decisiveness here when you are left with just one option. How you failed to see this makes me wonder your real intent.

 

[GoldenDragon]

To view it fairly, our "best opposition" WP has a long way to go in terms of political crisis management, not to mention anything else.

Goh Meng Seng

I am sure they would have done better with you around offering your advice.