Chinese Nationlist troops rescued the British troops

[cheowyonglee]

Disgracing British troops!!! When the British want raw material and natural resources, they invaded other countries and made them her Empire.When the enemies came, they broke their promise and run away like coward.

They even wanted the Chinese troops to protect them while they retreated to India.Damn disgracing.

Lucky, the Japanese trapped them in Burma.In the end, they helplessly called the Chinese Nationalist troops for help.The Chinese troops lead by 国民军孙立人，successfully counter attack back the Japanese forcing them to retreat and had rescued thousands of British soldiers and British civilians.
The British image of the Chinese soldiers totally changed.
Imagine the one mighty British empire asked for help from the Chinese nationalist troops.What a laughing stock.Heee...

The below video clearly showed us the pride of Chinese Nationlist soldiers at that time of war...

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玫瑰将军 "孙立人"

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[Received_by_Kings]

Disgracing British troops!!! When the British want raw material and natural resources, they invaded other countries and made them her Empire.When the enemies came, they broke their promise and run away like coward.

They even wanted the Chinese troops to protect them while they retreated to India.Damn disgracing.

Lucky, the Japanese trapped them in Burma.In the end, they helplessly called the Chinese Nationalist troops for help.The Chinese troops lead by 国民军孙立人，successfully counter attack back the Japanese forcing them to retreat and had rescued thousands of British soldiers and British civilians.
The British image of the Chinese soldiers totally changed.
Imagine the one mighty British empire asked for help from the Chinese nationalist troops.What a laughing stock.Heee...

The below video clearly showed us the pride of Chinese Nationlist soldiers at that time of war...

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玫瑰将军 "孙立人"

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Not a bad thread. Fair enough.

 

[Ramseth]

General Joseph Stilwell was right with his battleplan. He was an American commanding British and Chinese allied forces against Japan. It didn't matter who had to sacrifice more toward victory, and his battleplan to withdraw British troops to reflank and retake Rangoon was as valid as any military masterpiece could be. It was the Chinese who bickered over who's fighting for who and who's dying for who. With a China half battered by Japan and half mired in Communist civil war, behaving that way, I agree that General Stilwell should resign his command and let them rot.

Claiming bravery and betrayal decades after the event? That's another all-time masturbatory joke. Where're Chinese nationalists now without USA?

 

[Sideswipe]

everybody distorted parts of history to suit their agenda/belief
Communist Bandits always talk about how the peasants supported them enabling them to win the civil war against the nationalists.

if Kim II-sung didn't supply Mao with 400K soldiers during the vital Huaihai campaign, how are they going to win this war?

 

[cheowyonglee]

everybody distorted parts of history to suit their agenda/belief
Communist Bandits always talk about how the peasants supported them enabling them to win the civil war against the nationalists.

if Kim II-sung didn't supply Mao with 400K soldiers during the vital Huaihai campaign, how are they going to win this war?

i see i see.never know of Kim II had supply Mao with 400k soldiers.

 

[cheowyonglee]

The American really helped the Chinese alot.Unlike what Mao keep saying, the US imperialist wanted to invade China.

Watch this...

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[scroobal]

That why one has to read widely and know your history by covering various sources. If the americans did not fly from India to China to provide vitals resources to the Nationalist, Chiang and the KMT would have been decimated during WWII and there would not be any Taiwan.

The Chinese despite its long history has never ever won a single war just a few battles here and there. Even the Indians left angkor wat and Borobodur as a legacy of their conquest and influence. The Japs did it as well and even the uneducated mongolians who ruled a vast empire. Even the Chinese's last battle against the Vietnamese left them with a bloody nose. Military wise, they built the biggest fence and hid behind it.

I have no doubt that it has the biggest standing army and a mightly arsenal. A little too late. It like becoming the world best yoyo player after it went out of fashion.

Its in our DNA not be organised but think of looking after ourselves and trying to make a buck. When the amercians were providing the Chinese with equipment it was quickly sold to the blackmarket.

The chinese military leaders now have their kids studying and working in the US. That tells you a lot.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

That why one has to read *POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT*

Pls lah screwball the keling cock sucker stop farting thru your mouth time and again. How do you prove that the kelings actually conquered the cambodians and built ang kor wat? Btw what are indians? They didn't exist during that time. Following your logic the chinese can claim the accomplishments of the mongols and the japs since they are all east asians. Pls for dog's sake stop snooking others by claiming indians accomplished this and that since india used to be pakistan and bangaldesh too. Therefore i guess the pakistanis can claim ang kor wat too.

Btw the mongolians conquered the largest empire in the world so what? How long did it last? Does it still exist? What is mongolia today? China has existed for over 5000 yrs and in terms of land mass is the 3rd biggest country in the world losing out to USA cos of the great lakes in the US. Do you think a country like china has managed to maintain such a huge landmass and a continous existence as an empire by not winning any large wars or battles? The fact that it still stands today and is continuing to rise shows the tenacity of china.
Now suppose let's change things around. Suppose china used to have the largest empire in the entire world but lost it all in the span of around a hundred years and is reduced to deserts and a 3rd world country today, would you even bring up the fact that it was once the conquerer of the greatest empire in the world? Obviously this needs no answer, your biasness is there for all to see. Downplay all of China's achievements and bring up all the other country's achievements no matter how long ago it occured and no matter how blurry the said achievements are. You are truly despicable. :oIo:


If you want to talk about western powers and colonialization. Hey almost every non white country got colonized. India itself was a colony, is there anything proud in that? Almost all of SEA was also colonized. The americans were also colonized.

Btw i understand that many european powers combined forces to fight china. Let me explain this in more simplistic terms for your puny brain. It was an unfair fight. If 6 or 7 ppl ganged up to fight an individual should they feel proud they managed to defeat him? Why not? Cos it was an unfair fight and only cowards fight like that. Even the US doesn't dare fight wars with a few countries at the same time. Mind you china at that time was still technologically inferior to europe but the european powers had to gang up to fight china.

 

[scroobal]

You are really slow. Us Chinese are much smarter. We find opportunities to make money. War does not create wealth. Throw us in the least developed place and we float to the top of the economy. We have done it in Indonesia, Thailand, Seychelles, South Africa and now in the US. We got better things to do then fight a war. Its in our DNA.

If you don't mind, could you write another long essay. Enjoy the way you articulate your thoughts and show your IQ.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

wooo hoooo what a lame retort. I really like the way u wrote the response to my post. You were using the classic twist and turn that your master kelings that you are so infatuated with love to use. From #7 it's plain obvious you were belitting all of china's achievements using fallacies and weak arguments, when i called you out on it what did you do next? You tried to give the impression that you were in fact praising chinese ppl for being too intelligent to engage in war but rather make money. Obviously that's a load of hog wash as anyone can see thru your BS.

There's no need to make any commentary on my IQ or the way i articulate my thoughts. The fact that u didn't even refute any of my points shows that i have called you up on your BS and showed your biasness. For eg, according to you, now that china has the largest military and a deadly arsenal it's gone out of style? You cock sure about that? If it was india that had what china had what would you have written instead? You would be praising india to the skies. Correct?

There's no use using flowery language and thinking up bombastic words to try and impress ppl with your "intellect". Ppl whom read carefully and have substance can see the thru the BS that you spew.

 

[halsey02]

General Joseph Stilwell was right with his battleplan. He was an American commanding British and Chinese allied forces against Japan. It didn't matter who had to sacrifice more toward victory, and his battleplan to withdraw British troops to reflank and retake Rangoon was as valid as any military masterpiece could be. It was the Chinese who bickered over who's fighting for who and who's dying for who. With a China half battered by Japan and half mired in Communist civil war, behaving that way, I agree that General Stilwell should resign his command and let them rot.

Claiming bravery and betrayal decades after the event? That's another all-time masturbatory joke. Where're Chinese nationalists now without USA?

Now you reminded me of General Stiwell, sigh!...I bought & read this book on him, when I was very young & the book still with me, aged & very yellow.

Those were the days, when I was finding my identity, studying deeply the history of China, from the point of views from the westerners as well as from the Chinese themselves. One thing I could tell you, back then, classmate asked me, how could I weep reading history books?. I told them, especially Chinese history.:p

I have another book, which is now also very yellow on the Nationalism of Burma...History of!

 

[sleaguepunter]

That why one has to read widely and know your history by covering various sources. If the americans did not fly from India to China to provide vitals resources to the Nationalist, Chiang and the KMT would have been decimated during WWII and there would not be any Taiwan.

The airlift aka The Hump, was not as important as history claimed. Even at it peak, the supplies it brought was just enough to keep 14th Air Force commanded by Chennault flying. As much as they good, they still cannot stop IJA from capturing many airbases during the 1944, Operation Ichi-Go Offensive.

During the whole of Sino-Japanese conflict, the KMT field army weapon of choice was still the Mauser varient rifles. The M1 Garand only saw action during the chinese civil war.

As for KMT being knock out by the Japanese if not for american help are nothing but a lie. During the whole of the conflict, Chiang sought to preserve his best troops against the communist. Most of the fighting against the IJA was done warlords that were Chiang's allies. In fact, Chiang withhold supplies and reinforcements to the General Tang Enbo during Operation Ichi-Go. Chiang had been using surrendering as a threat to the americans to con more money and supplies for himself.

 

[cheowyonglee]

Not a bad thread. Fair enough.

thanks.... well, Chinese pride not = KMT or CCP! We are Chinese and must be proud of it.CCP or KMT is just a party representing different group of people with different thinking and it doesnt reflect us as a proud Chinese!

 

[cheowyonglee]

during the culture revolution, these heros cementry were ruin by those red guards. look at the point starting at 08:30.Who is the mastermind of the culture revolution?Mao he himself.Then carry on watching and you guys will know how at that time the Chinese are really grateful to the U.S.
The U.S really helped the Chinese to fight the Japs.What did the russian do?Why did Mao like the Russian so much?Even to the extend of calling Stalin our father?And why did Mao keep saying the U.S is a imperial country and keen to invade the Chinese when the U.S actually can do so but they did not?And did the U.S invade South Korea?Compare South Korea and North Korea, which one is doing better?


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now, tell me who is right and who is wrong?the US had supplied weapons and lot's of logistic to the KMT chinese to fight the japs.but what did the russian do?
I really wonder why Communist China like to say Taiwan is pro U.S and taiwan pro U.S = traitor of Chinese..But now who is the real traitor here?Jiang Communist betraying billions of Chinese by letting go of the size of 32 taiwan to the bloody ass Russian!!!
But instead the Russian is the real impperialist nation.look at what the russian are up to in this video...watch the video below!!!


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[Sideswipe]

The U.S really helped the Chinese to fight the Japs.What did the russian do?Why did Mao like the Russian so much?

Don't forget Americans betrayal of the Chinese nationalists at Yalta. It was Stalin and Churchill who reached an secret agreement with the all too willing Roosevelt, allowing Russian troops to enter Manchuria and set up Chiang to give away Outer Mongolia.

Britain had advised American forces to hold back Chinese forces during WWII. Britain believed that should China gain an upper hand over Japan, that would jeopardize the white man's position in Far East.

 

[Ramseth]

As for KMT being knock out by the Japanese if not for american help are nothing but a lie. During the whole of the conflict, Chiang sought to preserve his best troops against the communist. Most of the fighting against the IJA was done warlords that were Chiang's allies. In fact, Chiang withhold supplies and reinforcements to the General Tang Enbo during Operation Ichi-Go. Chiang had been using surrendering as a threat to the americans to con more money and supplies for himself.

And what happened to his best troops after the Japanese were taken out of the equation? Knocked down into the straits and hanging to the Taiwan float, courtesy of protection from the US fleet. If not for American help and Communist resistance, China would have been overrun by Japan earlier. Nothing new or impossible; had been done before by Mongolians and Manchurians.

 

[Sideswipe]

China would have been overrun by Japan earlier. Nothing new or impossible; had been done before by Mongolians and Manchurians.

Song Dynasty was defeated by the Mongols, probably the most powerful war machine in mankind history.
The Manchu might never get past Shanhaiguan, if not for Ming internal wars.

 

[sleaguepunter]

And what happened to his best troops after the Japanese were taken out of the equation? Knocked down into the straits and hanging to the Taiwan float, courtesy of protection from the US fleet. If not for American help and Communist resistance, China would have been overrun by Japan earlier. Nothing new or impossible; had been done before by Mongolians and Manchurians.

KMT have at least 1.5m troops under arm. While they are not well equip as the IJA but for both of them, bolt action rifles were the weapons of choice. In fact, the chinese rifles were of better quality than the IJA Arisaka 6.5mm. Japan can never take the whole of China with force as they wont have the manpower to maintain security.

As for why chinese troops fare badly against the IJA, the few reasons were that they were poorly led, not motivated, mostly were shanghaised into the army so basically untrained.

 

[halsey02]

Song Dynasty was defeated by the Mongols, probably the most powerful war machine in mankind history.
The Manchu might never get past Shanhaiguan, if not for Ming internal wars.

Now you know what I had said, I cried, when I read & study Chinese history?, one betrayal after another, getting bullied by one western country after another...and then later falling into the hands of an Asian Country...JAPAN!.

 

[Ramseth]

Don't forget Americans betrayal of the Chinese nationalists at Yalta. It was Stalin and Churchill who reached an secret agreement with the all too willing Roosevelt, allowing Russian troops to enter Manchuria and set up Chiang to give away Outer Mongolia.

The Mongolian settlement concerned racial as well as strategic issues. Soviet Union naturally wanted it to remain as a buffer zone between Russia and China, just like the good old days since Song Dynasty.

Mongolians, like Koreans, had never been racially part of China. They still wanted their own country even if there's no empire anymore. China, of course, would want the whole of Mongolia "back" just like the case of Manchukuo (Manchuria). China didn't got it all back but in fact, China got the better part of the deal.

The redrawing of boundary divided historic Mongolia roughly into equal two parts. The southern half known as Inner Mongolia Province of China now, has the better built-up, settled, fertile and productive lands with more than 20m population. The northern half, the independent Mongolia now, are all the plains with less than 3m population.

Britain had advised American forces to hold back Chinese forces during WWII. Britain believed that should China gain an upper hand over Japan, that would jeopardize the white man's position in Far East.

The US/UK war aim was to prevent Japanese dominance over the Far East and East Asia. That meant first and foremost, to help China repel Japan. That naturally entailed also forestalling the possible emergence of China as another Japan. Blame US/UK? I think not. They have to protect their own interests first, just like anyone. Blame China itself. If it was strong enough not to need foreign help, it could do whatever in its best interests too.