China’s rise to superpower in peace is a first for mankind

[mudhatter]

Now, who's spying on whom? A case of the pot calling the kettle black?

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China Accuses U.S. of Hacking Huawei Servers as Far Back as 2009​

BY DEBBY WU / BLOOMBERG

SEPTEMBER 20, 2023 7:15 AM EDT

China accused the U.S. of infiltrating Huawei Technologies Co. servers beginning in 2009, part of a broad-based effort to steal data that culminated in tens of thousands of cyber-attacks against Chinese targets last year.

The Tailored Access Operations unit of the National Security Agency carried out the attacks in 2009, which then continuously monitored the servers, China’s Ministry of State Security said in a post on its official WeChat account on Wednesday. It didn’t provide details of attacks since 2009.

Cyberattacks are a point of tension between Washington and Beijing, which has accused its political rival of orchestrating attacks against Chinese targets ever since Edward Snowden made explosive allegations about U.S. spying. Washington and cybersecurity researchers have said the Asian country has sponsored attacks against the West.

The ministry’s accusations emerged as the two countries battle for technological supremacy. Huawei in particular has spurred alarm in Washington since the telecom leader unveiled a smartphone powered by an advanced chip it designed, which was made by Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. That’s in spite of years-long U.S. sanctions intended to cut Huawei off from the American technology it needs to design sophisticated chips and phones.

The U.S. has been “over-stretching” the concept of national security with its clampdown on Chinese enterprises, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning told reporters at a regular press briefing in Beijing on Wednesday.

“What we want to tell the US is that suppression and containing of China will not stop China’s development. It will only make us more resolved in our development,” Mao said.

On Tuesday, US Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said she was “upset” when Huawei released the Mate 60 Pro during her visit to China last month, but noted the US has no evidence the Asian nation can make the advanced semiconductors powering the handset “at scale.”

https://time.com/6315912/huawei-us-china-hacking/

not new

Yanks have always spied on pretty much the whole world. so what's new?

what's surprising is despite tall tales of how tiongs achievement is the greatest in human history, ccp ... blah blah...greatest, fastest, bestest and other absurd superlatives, it's nowhere close to how swiftly stinkypura transformed from turd world cesspool to a seemingly first world statelet despite remaining a dictatorship under lee dynasty, one party state, authoritarian totalitarian banana republic with no rule of law no culture no history no brains no inventiveness etc etc

 

[superpower]

Sorry you can ask CECA neighbours around, incl Bangla Paki nepal lanka maldives bhutan etc, provided they even have the freedom to speak their minds, then absolutely none of those countries would want a strong CECA.

Absolutely none!

When I speak of a multipolar world, it's in dialectic opposition to a unipolar world dominated by the Western countries under the helm of Pax Americana. Naturally these 'poles' would have to have fairly big economies, powerful militaries, and firmly anchored in the international trading system. The BRICS countries come to mind, but with time there's no reason why other poles may not rise up. A multipolar world is messier, but it allows for more equity especially among the developing countries which have long been exploited and thumbed down by the West.

The entire South Asian subcontinent is fragmented because of historical and religious animosities. Despite this, India is big enough (1.4 bil people, 5th largest economy) to go it alone in South Asia.

And same would be true of ASEAN or Middle East or Central Asian countries if they got to know more about CECA insidious nature, history, track record.

Money talks, bullshit walks. You're big, have a huge market, have loads of money to lend and weapons to sell, people gravitate to you. There are no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests.

Moreover, democracy is needed in wider Middle East where somehow yanks "miraculously" (in quotes) don't seem to push for democratic reforms in their puppet regimes like egypt suudi qatar kuwait uae oman bahrain morocco jordan etc.

The Middle East will never be democratic because the US depends on it for its resources. These puppet regimes will be sustained for as long as oil and gas continue to gush out from the ground.

The US has always been the world's greatest hypocrite - supporting dictators where it benefits them, assassinating them where it doesn't; pushing for democracy if they can gain a captive market, suppressing democracy if they need a puppet tinpot to facilitate resource extraction; arming terrorists (Taliban, Xinjiang, Israel) to push geopolitical goals, capturing and torturing them (Guantanamo) when they threaten you on your soil.

 

[mudhatter]

When I speak of a multipolar world, it's in dialectic opposition to a unipolar world dominated by the Western countries under the helm of Pax Americana. Naturally these 'poles' would have to have fairly big economies, powerful militaries, and firmly anchored in the international trading system. The BRICS countries come to mind, but with time there's no reason why other poles may not rise up. A multipolar world is messier, but it allows for more equity especially among the developing countries which have long been exploited and thumbed down by the West.

The entire South Asian subcontinent is fragmented because of historical and religious animosities. Despite this, India is big enough (1.4 bil people, 5th largest economy) to go it alone in South Asia.


Money talks, bullshit walks. You're big, have a huge market, have loads of money to lend and weapons to sell, people gravitate to you. There are no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests.


The Middle East will never be democratic because the US depends on it for its resources. These puppet regimes will be sustained for as long as oil and gas continue to gush out from the ground.

The US has always been the world's greatest hypocrite - supporting dictators where it benefits them, assassinating them where it doesn't; pushing for democracy if they can gain a captive market, suppressing democracy if they need a puppet tinpot to facilitate resource extraction; arming terrorists (Taliban, Xinjiang, Israel) to push geopolitical goals, capturing and torturing them (Guantanamo) when they threaten you on your soil.

Are you Prof Kishore Mahbubani by any chance?

You seem to support CECA, Commie Tiongs and also have a soft spot for yanks.

I liked your comment even though not everything I agree with. e.g. Taliban need not be terrorist, or that not everyone tortured in Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba, was a terrorist. Yanks just picked up whoever they like from weak countries with no nukes, icbm and such.

You seem to adhere to the "Realist" school of thought probably, if that's what they call it.

That money is all that matters.

But remember, if trade mattered as much as you think, then stinkypura or hongkies should have been far more powerful than say norkies, russkies, zionists or even ceca virus for the good part of last 4 decades. But none of stinkypura or hongkies are that powerful. Hongkies never even had any military and stinkypura is all for show and just copy cat zionists. As a copycat nation, the most stinkypura has ever done is copy others.

It's fair to say stinkypura rests at least one tier below other northern mongoloids, since even among mongoloids, stinkies are a lower tier community.

You are right about yankees and the Middle East. That's been yankee intention all along, question is, why can't the middle eastern countries free themselves, work with each other, test nukes, test icbm and asat missiles. like ceca virus or norkies. one way or another. middle east has lot more land than ceca virus and historically middle east, central asia dominated ceca while the converse is not true at all. so how come currently, middle eastern countries are so backward and powerless militarily, which is what matters most.

Dubai's skyscrapers, gleaming Dubai Marina, or Qatar hosting FIFA world cup in 2022 or Al Jazeera hardly helped the wider Middle East oust, evict Yanks and/or Zionists. In fact, both uae and Qatar are firmly yankee vassals as much as other middle eastern countries with yankee military bases on their soil and geopolitically they are aligned with yanks.

I agree with the idea of a multipolar world rather than a western dominated world. Just opposed to the likes of CECA gaining prominence.

The sooner ASEAN countries, middle eastern, central asian countries and other countries farther away experience CECA nature, traits like its neighbours have, the sooner they will come to the same conclusion.

If they think yanks are bad, which they indeed are, by no means are yanks good, then they'd wish ceca never gets to be half as powerful as yanks.

I'm not so convinced that Tiongs are a good player. And if Tiongs are not a "good" player in this geopolitical game, the likely victims of tiong "bullying" or "expansionism" will also probably wish that tiongs don't gain much prominence.



I agree with this part most:

You're big, have a huge market, have loads of money to lend and weapons to sell, people gravitate to you. There are no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests.

Population is the most important factor. Population = natural resource, not oil, gas, metals as some others have often proposed.

Population, more than any others, decide how powerful a country is going to become.

As we can see from the case of Indon, GDP means nothing. Military might is essential, sine qua non, for geopolitical influence. Indons remain a nobody, will remain a nobody. Just like stinkypura today, a lot of fluff and fake stats, no substance.

 

[superpower]

You seem to adhere to the "Realist" school of thought probably, if that's what they call it.

That money is all that matters.

You're right: I'm a realist, not an ideologue. That's why I'm not interested in engaging in endless debates about race, religion (Islam vs Christianity), human rights, communism vs capitalism, democracy vs autocracy, etc. There are enough posters from the hate brigades here doing that on a daily basis.

I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. A couple of examples: US cozying up to its former arch enemy Vietnam to counter China; ignoring Canada's plea to speak up on India's assassination of a Canadian freedom fighter citizen because they need India to balance China (despite India's own growing litany of domestic human rights abuses under Modi); allowing the Zionists to acquire nukes with the ostensible aim of 'demilitarizing' the Middle East.

Money - and all that flows from it - economic size, military might, strong currency, big corporations, advanced technology, source of lending capital - is all that matters. Even the most extensive empire in history, the British Empire (the Mongols had the largest land empire in history), would have collapsed mid-19th century without the money pouring in from the opium trade. The USD being the reserve currency has allowed the US to dig deep into debt to sustain military bases and cultivate allies around the world.

 

[mudhatter]

You're right: I'm a realist, not an ideologue. That's why I'm not interested in engaging in endless debates about race, religion (Islam vs Christianity), human rights, communism vs capitalism, democracy vs autocracy, etc. There are enough posters from the hate brigades here doing that on a daily basis.

I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. A couple of examples: US cozying up to its former arch enemy Vietnam to counter China; ignoring Canada's plea to speak up on India's assassination of a Canadian freedom fighter citizen because they need India to balance China (despite India's own growing litany of domestic human rights abuses under Modi); allowing the Zionists to acquire nukes with the ostensible aim of 'demilitarizing' the Middle East.

Money - and all that flows from it - economic size, military might, strong currency, big corporations, advanced technology, source of lending capital - is all that matters. Even the most extensive empire in history, the British Empire (the Mongols had the largest land empire in history), would have collapsed mid-19th century without the money pouring in from the opium trade. The USD being the reserve currency has allowed the US to dig deep into debt to sustain military bases and cultivate allies around the world.

You sound like Prof Kishore Mahbubani.

There is truth to what you say.

USD is of crucial signifigance for the USA to retain its preeminent geopolitical position.

But as we can see from the case of Indon, money alone is not sufficient. The likes of Indon, Negros, ASEAN countries are pretty hopeless in these regards and I don't expect any of them can ever surpass even a middling power like South Korea, UK or France, in things that matter. GDP or money alone won't be sufficient. Although you might argue, money allows those people with talents and potential to make the most of it. But without that talent in teh first place, money won't be enough.

And Tiongs are utterly useless, noninventive bunch, so apart from copying, they can't come up with any original solution. They have no means of surpassing USA precisely because of that. And they also can't figure out how to eliminate USD, dislodge it from its preeminent position globally.

You are correct that CECA virus is being primed to counter Tiongs. Can Yanks trust CECA virus? I think CECA virus are too big to become a loyal Yankee pet. This might be a mistake by yanks in the future if they bet big on CECA since CECA can turn around and bite the hand that feeds it. CECA is not a Japan, it's 11x times Japan in population.