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Buddhism has a lifespan of 5000 years

It is a wrong belief that Buddhism is negative. On the contrary, it teaches us to live in the present world and not place too much hope in an afterworld. And this is despite of the pain and suffering. How do we accept that? How do we accept misfortune that has befallen upon us? Put it on your Karma. Like reincarnation, the concept of karma existed before Buddhism. We should not place too much worldly meaning to it. It is just used as a tool to explain difficult to understand concepts. Indeed if the present life is found too demanding, death would be welcomed deliverance and Buddhism teaches us not to cling on to permanence. Death becomes easier to accept for yourself or for your loved ones. There a Buddhist concept (not in the early teachings) that was illustrated in the Ten pictograms of the Ox in which a good Buddhist goes through life, first getting rid of unnecessary desires and performing good deals, then helping others to achieve enlightening, eventually attaining enlightening himself and then returning in one full circle as a normal person and doing things what a normal person would do as if nothing matters. If you really need to combine modern reality of profit making with being a Buddhist, read some books by Suzuki who tried to show Zen Buddhism can coexist with business making in the modern world. I am not a Buddhist but if forced to choose a religion, I will choose this one. Ever wonder why if you go into a Buddhist temple, whether you are a Christian, a Hindhu or nobody, and you ask for food or other help, you will be helped? Most other religions are too preoccupied with helping their own kind because in Buddhism there is no thing as Self.

buddhisum does not teaches us to live in the present world and not place too much hope in an afterworld. if not , why use recarnation to inject fear in ppl ?

if we should not place too much worldly meaning to it ..then why use it as a tools to explain concepts ? its like comparing apple with oranges ...

different religions painted different image for their own organisation . for christains , they painted whoever join their organisation is treated as " brothers or sisters " ..for buddhisum they painted a different image ...which is to treat all humans with welcome arms ...end of the day ...all those religion only have one goal that is to recuit more members to their organisation ...period .
 
Bro,

The teaching doesn't encourage ppl to give up everything. It can't be when one chooses to be mindful of his thoughts, words and action to live his life.

The austere path of having a bald head by choice and becoming a monk/nun is up to the indv to choose. We always have a choice. :)

bro..christains also talk about havin free choice leh ...;) in fact all religion trying to be as noble as possible to make you feel good about their own religion...end of the day they will try to brainwash you to become members ...just like banks or telcom companys ...each giving a different packages , services , interest rate ...ect but end of the day ...its still the same ...
 
The bible encourages slavery. But you don't see christians advocating slavery these days, do you? Because their so called religious morality comes from society, not religious teachings.
 
Think of this;

Atheist has a form of religion too.

From your quote:

"4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion."

.........."it is intirely a religion.. it just might not fit your own definition."


religion definition: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=religion

re·li·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A SET OF BELIEFS , VALUES , AND PRACTICES BASED ON THE TEACHING OF A SPIRITUAL LEADER .
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

buddhism is practicing the beliefs and values based around the teachings of the buddha. it is intirely a religion.. it just might not fit your own definition. ;)
 
drifter said:
buddhisum does not teaches us to live in the present world and not place too much hope in an afterworld. if not , why use recarnation to inject fear in ppl ?

if we should not place too much worldly meaning to it ..then why use it as a tools to explain concepts ? its like comparing apple with oranges ...

different religions painted different image for their own organisation . for christains , they painted whoever join their organisation is treated as " brothers or sisters " ..for buddhisum they painted a different image ...which is to treat all humans with welcome arms ...end of the day ...all those religion only have one goal that is to recuit more members to their organisation ...period .

I notice that you have put a period at the end of your comment which means that you do not wish to continue with my thread. It is Ok but I still need to clarify that Buddhism is not a evangelistic religion. The early Buddhists were obsessed with self-enlightenment which gave later rise to the Mahayana movement which put helping others to attain enlightenment above self enlightenment but it has never been evangelistic.
 
Reincarnation cuts across all religion.
Scroll 13:50 See all if you can


 
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Forummer hairylee, just my 2c; read widely and maintain an open mind, do not shut our mind, or conclude base on what seems to be authority. See the rebuttal in the following video.

Some quotes from buddhism, just food for thought;

"Believe nothing, no matter
Where you read it, or who said it,
no matter if I have said it
Unless it agrees with your own reason,
And your own common sense"

"We are what we think,
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make the world"


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Reincarnation cuts across all religion.
Scroll 13:50 See all if you can


 
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Yourself, bro Unrepented and bro max all study Buddhism?

I read books on Buddhism when I was in my very early teens and stopped. They were books belonging to my granddad, I think. I read it for amusement. But along life's journey I reflected on what I read then. I never gone deep into the literature. That's why these two quotes in post 268 is meaningful to me.
 
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bro..christains also talk about havin free choice leh ...;) in fact all religion trying to be as noble as possible to make you feel good about their own religion...end of the day they will try to brainwash you to become members ...just like banks or telcom companys ...each giving a different packages , services , interest rate ...ect but end of the day ...its still the same ...

Bro, read post 24 on page 2.
 
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Yes, Bro Unrepented. I know this video as well. Supposed to post this later but you beat me to it.
 
Mohammed is definately not Metteya Buddha. A Buddha will never teach someone to kill another being. Period.
 
Reincarnation is a concept originally unique to Hindu caste system. In its original form and in Theravada Buddhism, there's no such thing as reincarnating to animals. Reincarnating to animals was invented by Mahayana Buddhism. In Hinduism, the reincarnation concept is to enforce obedience of the lower and lowest castes. Obedience and doing your dues shall earn you promotion to a higher caste in your next life. In this life, just do your job and slog. Otherwise, you'll be in perpetual suffering lifetime after lifetime as lower castes are slaves and untouchables.
 
Mohammed is definately not Metteya Buddha. A Buddha will never teach someone to kill another being. Period.

I am not qualified to comment but I believe Mohammed never teaches people to kill.
Same with present day life. No University or educational subject in this world teaches a Prime Minister to fix his opposition. It is due to the lack of moral character or flawed genes of the person.
Buddha never say you cannot do this or you cannot do that. You can do what you want but there are consequences for every action.
 
I am not qualified to comment but I believe Mohammed never teaches people to kill.

Both Moses and Buddha were warrior princes putting down their swords to found their religions. Muhammad took up the sword to found his religion. With due respect to all, I'm just speaking the truth. I pass no judgment.
 
I am not qualified to comment but I believe Mohammed never teaches people to kill.
Same with present day life. No University or educational subject in this world teaches a Prime Minister to fix his opposition. It is due to the lack of moral character or flawed genes of the person.
Buddha never say you cannot do this or you cannot do that. You can do what you want but there are consequences for every action.

Whoever told you that the buddha never said you cannot do this or that?? The Buddha did gave a set of precepts to the lay followers to take up for their well being. However he did not enforced any of these precepts. For the monastics, there are 200++ rules to follow but none of these offences have serious setbacks except for 5 which demands the monk to disrobe only. Read the Vinaya when you have time.

You may wanna proceed with the first Buddhist council when you are done with the Vinayas and having understood their purpose.
 
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Reincarnation is a concept originally unique to Hindu caste system. In its original form and in Theravada Buddhism, there's no such thing as reincarnating to animals. Reincarnating to animals was invented by Mahayana Buddhism. In Hinduism, the reincarnation concept is to enforce obedience of the lower and lowest castes. Obedience and doing your dues shall earn you promotion to a higher caste in your next life. In this life, just do your job and slog. Otherwise, you'll be in perpetual suffering lifetime after lifetime as lower castes are slaves and untouchables.

Let me show you what was taught in the Theravada scriptures.

"Then Punna, a son of the Koliyans and an ox-duty ascetic, and also Seniya a naked dog duty ascetic, went to the Blessed One, and Punna the ox duty ascetic paid homage to the Blessed One and sat down at one side, while Seniya the naked dog-duty ascetic exchanged greetings with the Blessed One, and when the courteous and amiable talk was finished, he too sat down at one side curled up like a dog. When Punna the ox-duty ascetic sat down, he asked the Blessed One: "Venerable sir, this naked dog-duty ascetic Seniya does what is hard to do: he eats his food when it is thrown on the ground. That dog duty has long been taken up and practiced by him. What will be his destination? What will be his future course?"[1]

"Enough, Punna, let that be. Do not ask me that."

A second time... A third time Punna the ox-duty ascetic asked the Blessed One: "Venerable sir, this naked dog-duty ascetic Seniya does what is hard to do: he eats his food when it is thrown on the ground. That dog duty has long been taken up and practiced by him. What will be his destination? What will be his future course?"

"Well, Punna, since I certainly cannot persuade you when I say 'Enough, Punna, let that be. Do not ask me that,' I shall therefore answer you.

3. "Here, Punna, someone develops the dog duty fully and unstintingly, he develops the dog-habit fully and unstintingly, he develops the dog mind fully and unstintingly, he develops dog behavior fully and unstintingly. Having done that, on the dissolution of the body, after death, he reappears in the company of dogs. But if his view is such as this: 'By this virtue or duty or asceticism or religious life I shall become a (great) god or some (lesser) god,' that is wrong view in his case. Now there are two destinations for one with wrong view, I say: hell or the animal womb. So, Punna, if his dog duty is perfected, it will lead him to the company of dogs; if it is not, it will lead him to hell." - MN 57
 
You mean ah neh only good in using scare tactics? :confused::eek:

In Hinduism, the reincarnation concept is to enforce obedience of the lower and lowest castes. Obedience and doing your dues shall earn you promotion to a higher caste in your next life. In this life, just do your job and slog. Otherwise, you'll be in perpetual suffering lifetime after lifetime as lower castes are slaves and untouchables.
 
:*:Er I thought the concept of heaven and hell is only symbolic since the beginning of Buddhism? 看到天堂还是地狱在于你? :confused:

Let me show you what was taught in the Theravada scriptures.
 
You mean ah neh only good in using scare tactics? :confused::eek:

The founders of Hinduism and caste system were not ah nehs. They were Aryans. Now their descendants are mostly inhabitants of Germany, Austria, Poland and post-Roman Empire Italy. The ah nehs were the lowest castes.
 
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