Breaking News!Pastor Kong Hee And Pastors Arrested And Charge!

[laksaboy]

Kong Hee speaking in tongues.

He is truly filled and baptized by the Holy Spirit.

[video=youtube;M5TKADCNtmY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5TKADCNtmY[/video]

 

[drifter]

Re: True Churches Are Hard To Find

ha! one religion condemning another. what makes you think that yours is the true religion?

those idiot is like that ..they can condemn all religion except their own ...nothing new

 

[RoyMcFarland]

Nice post Roy, agree with points 3 and 4.
On your point 2 above, I don't think it's the same.
Take the example of a profit making company (which is actually what they are too, hahaha)
The founders who may also be the key management may be being investigated for corruption or misappropriation.
It doesn't mean that the company itself, other management or founders who are not involved, the employees or what the company is doing day-to-day is under investigation.

Of course in this case, there is some sensitivity involved, which led to TCH's blah blah blah (be glad he didn't ask u what u thought), but it wouldn't be right to say that there is a problem with the whole church, all the management and staff and the churchgoers and their activities.

Having said that, 2 points to add:
1. They are not pinning any legal fault on the churchgoers who have in some way perpetuated the con by getting more and more people to join. That's probably right, many of us find that silly and to some extent disgusting, but the most u can charge them with is probably for being ignorant or stupid.

2. There are probably some more who deserve to and will be charged, perhaps akan datang.

I see your point. I was kind of thinking of the "ignorant and stupid" (read "brainwashed") congregration as a whole together with these "greedy and self serving"church leaders. My cynical mistake, :-)

Another point is about the fact that since CHC is a "charity", therefore it doesnt pay taxes on the collection. I may be wrong? The 50 (or 25) million spend on Mrs Kong's music career was from this collection. I suppose the big question argued in court will be whether this was a personal thing like living in a Sentosa Cove apartment, spending thousands of dollars on renting high end apartments in Los Angeles and God knows where (oops, I apologise in using HIS name in vain), spending millions in producing and publicising the "music", if it can be called that, and the high fashioned lifestyle that a music diva and her pastor husband should potray against the church's stated defence that is was doing "God's work"

By the way, on a related or unrelated topic....was reading in today's papers about the plight of some old women who dedicated their lives to doing "God's work" who have to "potter around with buckets and foam boxes whenever it rained to collect the water comng in through the leaky roof of the building they were staying in. The building has now been declared unsafe to live in and they have moved out to temporary premises.....

 

[dredd]

Kong Hee speaking in tongues.

He is truly filled and baptized by the Holy Spirit.

If you give me a million bucks, I will not only talk in tongue but sing like MJ too.

 

[RoyMcFarland]

@Roy

1. CHC may not be a 'charity' per se, but the subsidiary organizations under its wing may be. Similar to Touch Community Services under Lawrence Khong's FCBC. Sometimes the line of separation is very blurred.

2. Teo Chee Hean opened his big mouth to reassure the rest of the Christian community (CHC and non-CHC) that the arrests were against individuals, rather than govt persecution of Christianity and its institutions (the PAP has had a tainted history of dealing with Christian 'Marxist conspirators'). Unfortunately for Baron Teo, as far as the CHC folks are concerned, Kong Hee is symbolically synonymous with CHC. If the scuffles at the courtroom were a foretaste of things to come, the govt can expect serious repercussions.

3. Smart people are quite smart at explaining away things they come to believe for non-smart reasons.

4. The rational mind of human beings has, ironically, made them more predisposed to religion than other animals. Unlike other animals, human beings will ponder on the three basic questions of life: origin (where do we come from?), purpose (what are we here for?) and destiny (where do we go after death?). Combined with uniquely human notions of ethics, morality, guilt, punishment/reward, religion is a uniquely human experience.

Point taken...

 

[RoyMcFarland]

Re: ‘Proud’ CHC blogger wrote: What’s wrong with my Church using its own funds?

If you dig deep enough, FCBC and New Creation etc will have skeletons in their closet.

They're all prosperity gospel charismatic churches who preach that material wealth = godliness, and the more you give in tithes and offerings, the more you'll receive in financial blessings from God.

I agree. ....its called "buying your way to heaven"

 

[RoyMcFarland]

Its a global practice and it actually started with the Catholic Church and all religions have capitalised on it. There charity arm is set up to ostensibly do social and charitable work. That arm has charity status. Then they transfer all fund raising and profit making enterprise into this arm to enjoy reduce the tax burden. They also employ their members in this arm and this is where they draw their salaries. It has been abused all around the world. In the actual Church they are not salaried and consider themselves Church volunteers. Durai actually had the title "Hon Sec" of the NKF Board as he was not paid but he was employed as CEO of the Charitable arm and drew a salary.

Accept your point on the difference between charitible institutions itself and "employed staff" of these institutions. I suppose the moral crux of the problem is the pay package these "employees" recieve... As my post reveals, I'm no great fan of religions, however, Catholic priests and leaders of temples, mosques receive stipends or allowances for their mortal living so that they can concentrate on the spiritual needs of the masses. Not to stay in Sentosa Cove and jetset around the globe....

 

[GoldenDragon]

Absolutely confident that 'loyal' sinkaporeans already planted in all such organisations in sinkapore will provide timely and useful feedback to the government to contain such tea-cup rebellions. CHC included.

Any news about New Creation ?

My guess is that NC also being watched closely. Maybe CAD cannot cope so theirs akan datang?

 

[RoyMcFarland]

Closest we have to this case is that of Father Joachim Kang. Given the quatum and scale of the case, Kong Hee should be looking at 7 to 10 yrs. Do you think Sun Ho will stay faithful for such a long time?

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SINGAPORE: His redemption is now complete. After his release from jail last year, and the end of his home detention scheme last month, Father Joachim Kang now has been restored fully to his duties as a priest.

The decision had been made last week by the head of the Catholic Church in Singapore, Archbishop Nicholas Chia, and revealed to churchgoers on Sunday in the church's fortnightly newsletter, Catholic News.

It carried a statement by the Archbishop to say that Father Kang would be offered a "meaningful ministry" so that his talents could be "used for the good of the Church".

Father Kang had been convicted in 2004 for embezzling S$5.1 million from St Teresa's Church in Kampong Bahru.

Last year, he was put on a home detention scheme, during which time he found work with the law firm of Colin Ng and Partners.

With the lifting of sanctions imposed by the Church, he will now be able to offer public masses, preach and "fulfil the other sacred functions of the priesthood", said Archbishop Chia.

"He has done time under the law and I'm most happy to welcome him home to the Catholic community. As Archbishop and shepherd, I rejoice with him and his family. With the love and support of the church community, I hope that he will embrace the future with confidence," said the Archbishop.

For now, Father Kang has been granted home leave to spend time with his family, especially his aged father.

You're kidding??!! He's back to being a priest? PRAISE THE LORD!!

 

[RoyMcFarland]

By the way, just a stupid question......how did we get the figure 33,000?

 

[shawna]

By the way, just a stupid question......how did we get the figure 33,000?

from the news. didn't u read the news? maybe could be more or could be less... but definitely the numbers will shrink after this incident. too many doubts created about their credibility.

 

[Unrepented]

If she ask me to donate, I think I will donate :o:*: Ok everything and anything also, OK lor.:*:

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[Bigfuck]

Kaninana ninaNAHA chowchowkachowcheebye nakaninaninanaa chowcheebyeolanlancheow laduaninaehduacheebye hongan ah hongan Chee. Repeat 3 times, splice in between, repeat 2 phrases in between and alternate another 2 and back to Coda X3. My tongue will strike chords with many man. ROFL

 

[drifter]

If you give me a million bucks, I will not only talk in tongue but sing like MJ too.

i also ..if give me money i also can raps better then blacks

 

[ForFun]

haha.. supporters still hoping for their 30 folds, 60 folds, 100 folds returns. I asked around. So far none of my friends member of CHC. Hmmmm.. maybe I do really have smart friends.. .

 

[neddy]

Its a global practice and it actually started with the Catholic Church and all religions have capitalised on it. There charity arm is set up to ostensibly do social and charitable work. That arm has charity status. Then they transfer all fund raising and profit making enterprise into this arm to enjoy reduce the tax burden. They also employ their members in this arm and this is where they draw their salaries. It has been abused all around the world. In the actual Church they are not salaried and consider themselves Church volunteers. Durai actually had the title "Hon Sec" of the NKF Board as he was not paid but he was employed as CEO of the Charitable arm and drew a salary.

Notice how successful churches are run like businesses and influenced by Americans. They have products to sell to maintain profitability and competitions from other churches.

Eg Springfield (Missouri, USA) has so many churches, 1 per 1000 residents!

Compared to churches run by state, eg Uniting Church/Anglican with the Queen as its leader.

 

[Conqueror]

Wrong !

ha! one religion condemning another. what makes you think that yours is the true religion?

That's where you are wrong. It is also your duty to save others from doing the wrong thing. If you ever see someone drinking like there is no tomorrow, will you not step in and even yank it away from his mouth and tell him to cease drinking. Tell him of the consequence for doing it.


Eccl 7 It is better to listen to the rebuke of a wise man Than for one to listen to the song of fools.

Prov 15 He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home among the wise.

Prov 23 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.


For a fool like that drifting dead wood, you just simply fuck him off for good.

 

[makapaaa]

Re: Wrong !

[h=2]Concerned parents attend City Harvest Church’s service with their children[/h]Posted by temasektimes on July 1, 2012
Following negative publicity in the press on the fund raising methods employed by City Harvest Church, some concerned parents attended its Sunday service this morning together with their children.
According to Yahoo News, several adults were seen accompanying their teenaged children during the service but remaining seated and silent throughout the service.
In an interview with Yahoo News, one 56 year old parent said:
“I’m still okay with my son going for service at CHC – he’s grown up and it’s his choice, but I was worried when I found out you could make donations through credit card – he uses our supplementary card and I’m not comfortable with him donating to a church that I personally wish was more accountable.”
Another parent 48 year old Sally Low added:
“The newspapers are saying one thing, but my daughter says it’s not true. So I’m here to make sure my daughter doesn’t anyhow (sic) believe everything she hears.”
CHC found itself in the spotlight of late after its founder Kong Hee and four other members were charged on Wednesday for misusing up to S$50 million dollars of the church’s funds to further the music career of Ho Yeow Sun, the singer wife of Kong, a charge which he had strenuously denied.

 

[makapaaa]

Re: Wrong !

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Watch this. It makes you sick to see this guy talking....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isd9Cd4YaK8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Wife frolicking with an ex rapist. KH staying in Sentosa Cove with countless condos in the city. Flying business or first class , starting all kind of businesses venture like Ed Hardy.
It makes mother Theresa turn in her grave....
I don't know what CHc members are giving for.....just to console themselves and sweet talk that they are giving for god?
God' s purpose has been twisted. Never as so my been deceived by so few
A sick person leading so many blind people

 

[erection2015]

Re: Wrong !

that is the danger with these Independent Churches ......lack of accountability. A leader turned bad could milk huge amounts of money from

his congregation.

[h=2]“I’m still okay with my son going for service at CHC – he’s grown up and it’s his choice, but I was worried when I found out you could make donations through credit card – he uses our supplementary card and I’m not comfortable with him donating to a church that I personally wish was more accountable.”
CHC found itself in the spotlight of late after its founder Kong Hee and four other members were charged on Wednesday for misusing up to S$50 million dollars of the church’s funds to further the music career of Ho Yeow Sun, the singer wife of Kong, a charge which he had strenuously denied.