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BANGKOK: More than 100K at 9pm. Many More Coming. JAMS 50km Long. ArbiSHIT SHITTING!

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Red-shirt procession starts marching



<!--End PhotoName1--> <!-- Google Dtail Ads --> Natthawut Saikua and Jatuporn Promphan led the red-shirt protesters to begin the march around Bangkok at 9:55 am Saturday.

The head of the procession started moving from the Yommraj Intersection while its tail was at the Democracy Monument.

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Your analysis is interesting but I feel it is only a half-truth. Don't think the red shirts for the most part, are paid for their beliefs.

PM is very smart. Let red shirt protest. Even let a few come in to pour the blood. Then what. Each time red shirt pour blood a team of cleaners come in immediately to clean up. They have unlimited supply of detergent and water but blood supply very limited.

So strategy is wait them out, no violence, protect public infra, maintain order and WAIT IT OUT.

I can see red shirt already running out of steam. It takes some $$$ to feed 100K people. I suspect many are paid $$ to maintain the protest. You pay each one S$10 a day is $1M a day. Then you supply food, fuel, transport and that is another $10 per person per day. So burn rate is $2M a day. 1 month already $60M. Problem is 100K is not enough to cause trouble. Bangkok has despatched 50K police and they are using Gov money to provide public order - which again is a lot more than what Thaksin has.

No doubt Thaksin has money but he too need to keep a few hundred million if he wants to fund any eventual politcal campaign. The economy has not been kind to his wealth.
 

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Your analysis is interesting but I feel it is only a half-truth. Don't think the red shirts for the most part, are paid for their beliefs.



Good Point. The Red Shirts movement has grown larger than Thaksin himself.
Discourse about class exploitation and unequal political voice has been growing among the red-shirt protesters, most of whom are dirt poor with little or no formal education. Well-to-do Bangkokians only have to see the welcome given by the capital's working class to their red-shirt counterparts to recognise this.

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What will not disappear though is that, with or without Thaksin, there is growing recognition that the poor are oppressed and exploited, and their demands for greater socio-political and economic equality have gone unheeded by many in the mainstream mass media, which continues writing columns lambasting Thaksin.

Or perhaps they simply don't want to admit what they're seeing?


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The level of disdain and bias among the educated middle-class and the elite, mostly in Bangkok, is appalling. They're not just ignorant about the plight of the poor, but are indifferent to it. In fact, they failed to realise the red shirts managed to shut down a good part of downtown Sukhumvit despite the mainstream media predicting the protesters had already lost the battle.

The level of real contact between the middle-class and the elite with the poor is mostly superficial and confined to relationships where the latter are servants and subordinates.

The middle-class and elite feel that they are entitled to being superior and that the poor should know their place in life. Therefore, when the poor continue supporting Thaksin, many of the well-off folk in Bangkok have no problems supporting a military coup.

Nevertheless, nothing is as incoherent as the belief that only the educated middle-class and the elite are qualified to run this country. One must consider how backward Thailand remains politically and economically when compared to countries like South Korea to appreciate what a "marvellous job" the elite and the middle class have been doing for the Kingdom.

If the upper echelons of society have been screwing-up Thailand for the past many decades, might it not be fair for the poor to now say: "Enough is enough", and seek a chance to run or ruin this country too?


The mainstream mass media has been so busy blasting Thaksin Shinawatra for being the cause of all political evil that it has failed to see the seeds of the class struggle that have been germinating since the 2006 coup. Nevertheless, the attacks on the old elite have been unprecedented.
 

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Their MainStreamMedia is still sleeping over the class war.
 

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Your analysis is interesting but I feel it is only a half-truth. Don't think the red shirts for the most part, are paid for their beliefs.

Hi you stupid ugly dog! Have you seen what's on my signature? :biggrin:
 

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Riot policemen stand guard as Bangkok anti-government protesters wave back to red-shirted supporters of deposed Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra parading in the streets of the Thai capital on March 20, 2010​
 

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Govt, Red Shirts to meet
BANGKOK - A THAI government minister is to meet a representative of the 'Red Shirt' protesters holding mass anti-government rallies in Bangkok, a senator said on Saturday.

Satit Wonghnongtaey, the minister attached to the prime minister's office, and Weng Tojirakarn, considered a second-tier leader of the protest movement, will meet at midday on Monday, Senator Lertrat Ratanavanich told AFP.

'Satit and Weng Tojirakarn from the Red Shirt protesters agreed to meet on Monday noon,' he said, declining to disclose the venue.

'The first meeting will be to set up a framework of talks,' he said. -- AFP
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>> Abhisit appoints education minister, secretary to negotiate with red shirts
>> Red leader Nattawut insists protesters will talk only with PM and ultimate goal is dissolution of Parliament

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Red shirts threaten to 'disarm' soldiers
Weng Tojitrakarn, a red-shirt leader, Monday mobilized 1,000 female soldiers to search military tents around the Phan Fah rally site to check whether the deployed soldiers are carrying weapons.

Weng Tojitrakarn announced on the stage at 9 am that he would send 1,000 red-shirt women to check the military tents.

If any military tent refuses the red-shirt female volunteers to go inside and check for weapons, the red-shirt movement would put up a sign saying "this military unit is armed with intention to kill innocent people".

Earlier the day, a red-shirt leader announced that the red-shirt people would search the military tents and would disarm the soldiers and turn them over to police.

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Red shirts not allowed to search their unit at Soammanas Temple
Weng Tojitrakarn and Prateep Ungsongtham, leaders of the red-shirt movement, led a group of women to confront soldiers stationed at the Sommanas Temple at 11:30 am Monday.

The two red-shirt leaders asked for permission to search the military tent and search the soldiers there to see whether they were armed but their request was turned down by Lt Col Worawut Prathuangthin, the battalion commander.

Pol Maj Wichai Sangpraprai, commander of Metropolitan Police Division 1, who rushed to the scene assured the protesters that the soldiers were unarmed so Weng and Prateep and the red-shirt women returned to their main rally site at the Phan Fah Bridge.
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Mobile toilets set up in front of Government House for supporters of deposed Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra protesting in Bangkok on March 22, 2010.

 

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Chaiyo, One For ALL, ALL For One...​


RED POWER !!!​


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Yommaraj


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kensington

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BETTER RED THAN DEAD !!!
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After so many days, enthusiasm still rules.....
 

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Since these farmers are so poor and from the far flung provinces, how can they afford not to tend their fields and spend days squatting in Bangkok. Costs are much higher in Bangkok (food, drink) and loss of income from farming is another factor. Then there is the transport cost. My question is how can they afford it? Someone must be supplying $$.

Anyway current Gov is smart - divide and conquer - allow protestors to deliver their message but no violence. AT the peak the most red shirt could amass is 100K+ people. Of course Gov should wake up to the income inbalance between Bangkok and farming provinces.

You are correct, Thaksin is becoming less relevant as time passes. Gov could deal with some of the NGOs ($$$$) to attend to needs of the poor.



Good Point. The Red Shirts movement has grown larger than Thaksin himself.
Discourse about class exploitation and unequal political voice has been growing among the red-shirt protesters, most of whom are dirt poor with little or no formal education. Well-to-do Bangkokians only have to see the welcome given by the capital's working class to their red-shirt counterparts to recognise this.

c1_34721_100320053631.jpg


What will not disappear though is that, with or without Thaksin, there is growing recognition that the poor are oppressed and exploited, and their demands for greater socio-political and economic equality have gone unheeded by many in the mainstream mass media, which continues writing columns lambasting Thaksin.

Or perhaps they simply don't want to admit what they're seeing?


2010-03-18%20red%20shirts%20march%2002.jpg


The level of disdain and bias among the educated middle-class and the elite, mostly in Bangkok, is appalling. They're not just ignorant about the plight of the poor, but are indifferent to it. In fact, they failed to realise the red shirts managed to shut down a good part of downtown Sukhumvit despite the mainstream media predicting the protesters had already lost the battle.

The level of real contact between the middle-class and the elite with the poor is mostly superficial and confined to relationships where the latter are servants and subordinates.

The middle-class and elite feel that they are entitled to being superior and that the poor should know their place in life. Therefore, when the poor continue supporting Thaksin, many of the well-off folk in Bangkok have no problems supporting a military coup.

Nevertheless, nothing is as incoherent as the belief that only the educated middle-class and the elite are qualified to run this country. One must consider how backward Thailand remains politically and economically when compared to countries like South Korea to appreciate what a "marvellous job" the elite and the middle class have been doing for the Kingdom.

If the upper echelons of society have been screwing-up Thailand for the past many decades, might it not be fair for the poor to now say: "Enough is enough", and seek a chance to run or ruin this country too?


The mainstream mass media has been so busy blasting Thaksin Shinawatra for being the cause of all political evil that it has failed to see the seeds of the class struggle that have been germinating since the 2006 coup. Nevertheless, the attacks on the old elite have been unprecedented.
 

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Since these farmers are so poor and from the far flung provinces, how can they afford not to tend their fields and spend days squatting in Bangkok. Costs are much higher in Bangkok (food, drink) and loss of income from farming is another factor. Then there is the transport cost. My question is how can they afford it? Someone must be supplying $$.

Anyway current Gov is smart - divide and conquer - allow protestors to deliver their message but no violence. AT the peak the most red shirt could amass is 100K+ people. Of course Gov should wake up to the income inbalance between Bangkok and farming provinces.

You are correct, Thaksin is becoming less relevant as time passes. Gov could deal with some of the NGOs ($$$$) to attend to needs of the poor.



The government is actually run by the army, supported by the Amataya(Thailand's MIW). Thais are so feudalistic in their mindsets that their relationships are based on serfdom, no more no less.

These past few years, with the help of internet and bloggings, alot of informations previously deemed taboos have been discussed widely and in any true democracy, the poor will always outnumber the rich and this is the basic discontent of the masses. Now, they are basically demanding their dues as the citizen of the nation. The disparity is such that Bangkok owns more wealth than the other 75 provinces combined.

The king's Sufficient Economy Policy has been discredited partly due to the corruption of local officials, again the serfs and masters at play and the king's hands at Thaksin's removal was widely frowned on by the villagers because Thaksin gave them so much hope and a coherent policy that was carried out impeccably during his tenure. The king is a definate loser in this outcome. He is not as popular as he should be.

Thaksin is irrelevant now because this remarkable awakening of the rural masses and the urban poor realy strikes a chord at a dying dynasty and this is just a prelude of more to come.


The Army, as de facto ruler of the nation will not agree to sharing of power with the people and the imbalance of earnings will not be addressed because that will eat into their incomes as the Army's bosses.



The Red Shirts want these... Are they achievable ? Fat chance...


1) Achieving the goal of establishing a genuine democracy that has the King as our Head of State, with political power belonging exclusively to the people. We reject any attempt, past or future, at using the monarchy to silence dissent or advance a particular agenda.


2) Dissolving the 2007 Constitution and restoring the 1997 Constitution, which may then be amended through a transparent, consultative and democratic process.


3) Bringing Thais together in an effort to solve our political and socio-economic problems, recognizing that such efforts must stem from the power of the people.


4) Implementing the rule of law, due process and a system of equal justice for all, free of any obstructions or double-standards.


5) Uniting all Thais who love democracy, equality, and equal justice within all facets of society, in an effort to deconstruct and move beyond the Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system.


6) Using exclusively non-violent means to achieve these objectives. We are a peaceful movement, whereas the aristocracy maintains its power through the barrel of a gun.


It is a CLASS WAR now... Thailand is looking more and more dangerous by the day.
 

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Are these supporters of the Red Shirt group?

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If Thaksin knows he is irrelevant then there is possibility of a change. Right now Thaksin is still talking to the red shirts, instigating them to rise up and hoping for a come back to the same old same old.

If Thaksin backs off there might be a chance. as you mentioned, population is more informed and this will demand for change.

My view is this is all a sham. Pop is too poor and can easily fall to vote buying. On one hand you have holier than thou Mr Thaksin who used his position to accumulate wealth - even went to level of selling his telco to Singapore using nominees to hide foreign ownership. On the other hand you have the military generals hoping to get their hands into the money pot. On top of that you have an ailing King - concerned about his loss of prestige - the ability of his son to carry on. Below that you have a huge bunch of poor serfs, easily influenced.

My point is not to judge the politics but to see the strategy used. Current PM is pretty smart (vs the good old army crackdown) and he is able to defuse the situation. Thaksin is basically running out of time and money. How many other 3rd world countries can he hide in?





That is why my contention is that democracy is a farce in countries where there is no majority middle class.

The government is actually run by the army, supported by the Amataya(Thailand's MIW). Thais are so feudalistic in their mindsets that their relationships are based on serfdom, no more no less.

These past few years, with the help of internet and bloggings, alot of informations previously deemed taboos have been discussed widely and in any true democracy, the poor will always outnumber the rich and this is the basic discontent of the masses. Now, they are basically demanding their dues as the citizen of the nation. The disparity is such that Bangkok owns more wealth than the other 75 provinces combined.

The king's Sufficient Economy Policy has been discredited partly due to the corruption of local officials, again the serfs and masters at play and the king's hands at Thaksin's removal was widely frowned on by the villagers because Thaksin gave them so much hope and a coherent policy that was carried out impeccably during his tenure. The king is a definate loser in this outcome. He is not as popular as he should be.

Thaksin is irrelevant now because this remarkable awakening of the rural masses and the urban poor realy strikes a chord at a dying dynasty and this is just a prelude of more to come.


The Army, as de facto ruler of the nation will not agree to sharing of power with the people and the imbalance of earnings will not be addressed because that will eat into their incomes as the Army's bosses.



The Red Shirts want these... Are they achievable ? Fat chance...


1) Achieving the goal of establishing a genuine democracy that has the King as our Head of State, with political power belonging exclusively to the people. We reject any attempt, past or future, at using the monarchy to silence dissent or advance a particular agenda.


2) Dissolving the 2007 Constitution and restoring the 1997 Constitution, which may then be amended through a transparent, consultative and democratic process.


3) Bringing Thais together in an effort to solve our political and socio-economic problems, recognizing that such efforts must stem from the power of the people.


4) Implementing the rule of law, due process and a system of equal justice for all, free of any obstructions or double-standards.


5) Uniting all Thais who love democracy, equality, and equal justice within all facets of society, in an effort to deconstruct and move beyond the Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system.


6) Using exclusively non-violent means to achieve these objectives. We are a peaceful movement, whereas the aristocracy maintains its power through the barrel of a gun.


It is a CLASS WAR now... Thailand is looking more and more dangerous by the day.
 
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