You can call me egoistic, conceited, whatever. I find it tiring to go back and forth, and having to repeat or explain what I already have taken pains to explain.
Now you're actually bordering on the riddiculous. I have managed to counter all your explainations. Actually to tell you the truth you touched only on 1 or 2 pts only once how is that considered going back and forth?
You also have a weird way of extrapolating to absurdum..that's an argument trick known as reductio ad absurdum. If I cite something with four legs and meant an animal, you will go and tell me a chair also has four legs and should be an animal too. That's the way you argue with me and other forumers.
Without actually quoting anything from me and thus making such a conclusion on my thoughts it actually borders on false accusations. You claim i actually resort to absurd conclusions and i use trickery?
Let's go through my past few posts. Off hand i can recall a few. Do you remember scroobal claiming that the malays still having a claim on singapore and malaysia despite not being the first migrants to this land. GMS had mentioned that it was the ibans and some other minority group the orang asli that had settled there before the malays. How did scroobal respond? He mentioned since the malays are somehow related to the ibans i guess in physical appearance that made their claim valid still. I thus found that school of thought rather riddiculous.
I can then follow scroobal's logic and then say the chinese resemble the japanese not only in physical appearance but culture. Can they claim japan? Tibetians look like chinese so therefore following scroobal's school of thought what's wrong with the chinese claiming tibet as their own. Do remember the malays are occupying the land that the ibans and orang asli settled on first. Scroobal doesn't care about their feelings cos according to him the ibans and orang asli are malays too. Seriously how ignorant can that statement be? I then applied his logic unto the east asian nations. Yet somehow this wouldn't hold water.
The 2nd example that i believe would make you call me absurd is the speak mandarin campaign. Okay i see your POV. LKY united the chinese cos of political reasons not becos of any other reason. The question is what makes you so arrogant that you think this is the true reason? Unless LKY writes it out on paper that that's his reason it's all up to speculation.
I summized that it was easier to get all the chinese dialects to actually learn a common dialect mandarin rather than actually get all of them to learn their own dialect. You do know it's not easy to administure a new language into the curriculam. What was you and scroobal's grouse about this? It was forcing the singaporean chinese most of whom are southern chinese from actually learning their true MT. I then went on to find examples from other races that were forced to learn the official languages of singapore. Namely javanese and malayam. Pls do take note javanese ppl are a totally seperate racial group from the malay. Malayees aren't exactly tamil are they? These 2 groups aren't even considered dialects of malay and tamil respectively but are totally seperate language groups. Of course to an ignoramous to you and scroobal you wouldn't know. They look malay and tamil hence they should learn malay and tamil despite not having malay and tamil as their MT.
I believe these 2 examples are what led you to call me absurd. Sure if you put the example of me actually calling something inanimate like a table a living breating animal all cos it has 4 legs just like an animal it would be absurd. Yet from the above examples i have given that's far from the situation. The ibans and javanese are distinct from the malays what gives you the right to group them under the same category as the malays? It's similar to me grouping the koreans as chinese, please study more on other racial groups rather than just the east asian racial groups.
By all means speak mandarin to yr friends, or go to SAP schools. At the street level, one of you is not going to turn the Malay against the Chinese. I am not going to accuse you of being a racialist. But there seems to be a blind spot on your side - perhaps due to what I meant by propaganda - if you keep on denying that could be a grander design on a high political level to politicise the Chinese language with apparently innocent speak mandarin campaigns and SAP schooling system out of other political motives.
Didn't i write about this earlier. OK perhaps he has a political reason. Then again perhaps not.
I just want to ask you what makes you so damn sure that it's a political reason? You have your head stuck so far up your ass that if anybody disagrees with your view point he's branded someone that's blind, someone that lacks the vision to see far away. How much more arrogant can you be?
Anyway you actually explained it yourself. Didn't you write in one of your posts that the UMNO political influence would spread to the singapore malays? LKY thus tried to politicise the chinese to unite. Firstly let me repeat again that's merely speculation. Then again even if it's true it wouldn't be such a bad thing. UMNO has been creating hell for the non malays that reside in malaysian. If this were not the case why would so many malaysian chinese and indians come over to live and work in sg.
The same man who is behind all this is today wearing a halo and asking why the Malays are refusing to integrate. If you have been dumbed down all yr life and literally treated with scorn and disdain, wld you not react? MMVPAP is a good example off the illl-effects of the past PAP language policies. Now dont tell me just because the national anthem, army parade commands, and what else are still in Malay, all that PAP shit becomes whiter than white.
You're getting riddiculous here. Have you actually studied in a SAP school and mixed around with the non chinese races? You really give me the impression that you're someone that has actually ever studied in the sg schooling system or hung around with the non chinese races. You're giving the impression that sap schools are something like some hitler organization indoctrinating the chinese there as some master race.
This isn't case. Do you think that in sap schools the teachers would be telling us how superior the chinese are while belitting the non chinese?
Take note that after secondary school students go to jcs and polys, ite and so on. The malays and non chinese are not affected by what occurs in a sap school after all they don't even study in a sap school. Anyway if you have actually studied in a jc, poly and so on race doesn't even come into the equation. Yet ppl can see for themselves. We're not blind. In fact elitism in this country isn't race based. A student from RI would probably look on disdain at a chinese ah beng despite the fact that both of them are chinese. The chinese ah beng doesn't have a reason to complain but if the ah beng was a malay i am sure you would have called the RI student a racist and all that other BS about the non chinese being held down. The malay became an ah beng cos of the racist policies in this country while the chinese ah beng is lazy. There! Does this make you feel better?
Yes sure why ignore all the other factors about malay commands in the army and the national antem? Why? Cos it doesn't fit in with your agenda. I can safely say that's why you quickly sweep that away hoping that i forget about it.
Now you want to know my stand? I am against the deliberate manipulations, machinations, chicanery and shenanigans that have gone on by this govt under the guise of innocuous nation-building programs for the past 50 years. maybe we are wrong about the Old man, and he's actually some kind of saint. But over my long years, having experienced the twists and turns since 1963, I have grown cynical and suspicious of LKY and his policies. Some of us here are of the opinion that with all these years, more could have been done to bring about closer integration and multiracialsim instead of embarking on ruinous divisive intoerant policies which are leading to further problems down the road. Again, you can go into fits arguing that it's up to the Malays to catch up and if they dont, then to hell with them. Here on SBF, you can say that; on the govt level, it shld function more responsibly and wirth much greater magnanimity and vision.
Got the picture?
Wow now you're getting absurd.
OK ok ok LKY doesn't have the nation in mind when he impliments those policies. He's doing it cos he's an evil scumbag. If i ever dare go against that train of thought, i am a blind lemming that cannot see beyond my own arse. There! Do you feel better now?
You're actually indirectly praising LKY. If he could actually implement all of this, he's pretty clever. In fact ingenious i might add. So how? Is LKY really an evil genius? I am sure even attempting to imply something good about the lee familee is akin to being accused of being a pappy dog even though i voted for the oppo at the last election.
Okay you claim the citizens of sg have been affected by the deliberate manipulations, machinations, chicanery and shenanigans that have gone on by this govt in your own words. Yet answer me this. If that is the case why does it seem that a particular race always seems to be lagging behind and one race seems to come on top? That particular race has the advantage of having their MT as the national language which of course is of no consequence according to you. If everyone in here is being manipulated could it then be safe to say that race has nothing to do with one's success. It's all random like a lottery winner. Pls answer me this.
Sure more could have been done but then answer me this. It takes both hands to clap. How do you explain when malays refuse to integrate with the chinese citing religious reasons and other excuses?
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Again, you can go into fits arguing that it's up to the Malays to catch up and if they dont, then to hell with them. Here on SBF, you can say that; on the govt level, it shld function more responsibly and wirth much greater magnanimity and vision.
Yes i'm not the govt just a normal citizen that has to work equally hard if not harder to succeed in this country and my race has nothing to do with it. If i fail i don't even have the excuse of saying i belong to a minority race that has been bullied.
You claim that govt should be more magnanimous. Ok what should the govt do? How about further discrminating the majority race? I am sure that's your definition of being magnanimous. If a chinese even dares to complain he's a useless turd, yet we have extremists like MMVP that are like this cos it's not his fault but cos of society at large or some other booegyman perhaps it's even my fault.
You want to talk about absurd. Sure look in the mirror.
