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Africa FUCKS China

those 2 countries politics, I long ago give up trying to understand. so much :poop:. don't care what race or religion. all the politician using race and religion to get more power only...:poop::poop:

Precisely. Gave Islam a bad name. Imagin PAS called UMNO kafir. Tats a very very serious charge/allegation. Aduh. :cautious:
 
Dont u know teres so many gods in this world. U can see them in temples. But my God is invisible. Among all HIS creations, we humans stand above all. Not even the setan or jinn above us. We are given the brain to think. Beside human, the rest have very limited capacity to think. So u think and pick ur choice.:thumbsup: U can remain an atheist. Its ur choice that u will be accounted for on Judgement Day. No compulsion in religion.
doesnt answer my question pal ....rephrased why won't your God appear and tell all of your people directly instead of sending prophets after prophets?

even if there are millions and billions of gods who are being prayed to ...and since you beleive that there is only 1 God ,isn't it best that he appears to prove himself thus making all other gods false ?
 
doesnt answer my question pal ....rephrased why won't your God appear and tell all of your people directly instead of sending prophets and after prophets?

even if there are millions and billions of gods who are being prayed to ...and since you beleive that there is only 1 God ,isn't it best that he appears to prove himself thus making all other gods false ?

Tats HIS plan. If HE appear then everyone sure believe in HIM. Tats where ur faith comes in. The verse i quoted last post explained it all ....plain and simple. In otherwords whoever claimed he is god is not god cos they are humans/God's creation.
 
Tats HIS plan. If HE appear then everyone sure believe in HIM. Tats where ur faith comes in. The verse i quoted last post explained it all ....plain and simple. In otherwords whoever claimed he is god is not god cos they are humans/God's creation.
this is circular logic pal ,circular logic means it goes like this ...@@LKY said that the Africans are brilliant ..and we all know how brilliant LKY is ..and since a brilliant man says Africans are brilliant ..without any doubt Africans are indeed brilliant @@
 
this is circular logic pal ,circular logic means it goes like this ...@@LKY said that the Africans are brilliant ..and we all know how brilliant LKY is ..and since a brilliant man says Africans are brilliant ..without any doubt Africans are indeed brilliant @@

Hehe....LKY also must face the music. No matter how brilliant hes just a human. Talk about brilliant. I ever told @nightsafari satan also very brilliant and powerful. Hes able to convince billions to reject Allah assawajal. Also i mentioned last post. The Creator challenge mankind and Jinn to produce a single page similar to Quran. So far none can produce.
 
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Hehe....LKY also must face the music. No matter how brilliant hes just a human. Talk about brilliant. I ever told @nightsafari satan also very brilliant and powerful. Hes able to convince billions to reject Allah assawajal. Also i mentioned last post. The Creator challenge mankind and Jinn to produce a single page similar to Quran. So far none can produce.
you failed to catch what i meant or side stepping it ....anyway it doent matter ...i aim to discuss not to win an argument
 
you failed to catch what i meant or side stepping it ....anyway it doent matter ...i aim to discuss not to win an argument

HE is your creator. He designed u. Wat right have we to demand tat HE appear infront of us? Doesnt HIS words in the Quran good enough? Have u ever browse thru the Quran, yes? U should be lucky HE gave us oxygen to breathe which we took for granted. Wait till u on ventilators then u will appreciate. :smile:

Anyway i am no ustaz. Hope following link helps:


Is Seeing God Enough to Believe?

What would happen if we could see God? Would it bring an end to all doubt about His existence and unite human beings into one religious family? Would it herald the start of a utopian society on earth? Imagine the average individual was able to see God. How long would they need to see Him to be convinced? Would they need to talk to God? Would other people believe that they had seen Him? And after seeing God, how can we be sure their mind would not play tricks on them and they would begin to doubt again? Would they sometime later need to see God again?

Do We Need to ‘See’ to ‘Know’?

‘I’ll believe it when I see it’ is a dismissive statement that we say when we are not convinced of the ‘it’ under discussion. We don’t need to ‘see’ in order to believe. We are perfectly capable of being convinced by being given the right proof, and if this was not the case our lives would be chaotic.

For example, before setting out on a trip, people check the weather and traffic conditions. If the most direct route is gridlocked, they would happily take a longer route. They do not need to ‘see’ the traffic to be convinced and change plans according to the information available.

In the same way, in every aspect of our lives, from working to socialising, we act according to the information available. We connect with other human beings without ‘seeing.’ We don’t need to have a video chat or see visual proof of our online colleagues, though we might be curious about them. We don’t doubt they are real because although we don’t see them, we see evidence like their mail, texts and documents.

The same point was made eloquently by a Bedouin in Arabia, when he was asked how he could be convinced of God when he had never seen him.

He replied: “Camel dung indicates camels, donkey dung indicates donkeys and footprints indicate travel. So the sky, with its constellations and the seas with its waves, do not these indicate the All-Knowing, the All-Powerful?”

The analogy may be simple – maybe even crude, but the point is profound. As humans, we are amazed by our own advancements in all spheres of knowledge, be it in architecture, technology or creativity. But we never ascribe our achievements to chance or a natural process. We accept our inventions all have inventors or manufacturers. Yet despite all advancements, they are insignificant when compared to the wonders of the ‘natural world.’ The tallest structure cannot compare to the tallest mountain; the brightest light is insignificant next to the sun; and the mighty civilisation is miniscule compared with the mind-blowing vastness of the universe.

If we cannot accept small creations could come into being spontaneously, is it not unreasonable to suppose the mountains, the sun and all of the universe does not have a powerful creator?

The Proof of God is All Around Us

The Quran tells us:


“Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason.” [Noble Quran 2:164]


We have proof of an all-mighty Creator all around us. The Quran invites us to use our greatest faculty of reason to see the evidence of a Creator in His creation. Without seeing God, we can be firmly convinced of His existence.

Take any part of our world or the universe that fascinates you and you will not fail to find proof of the existence of God. From the harmonious functioning of the universe to the complex process that occurs in our own bodies. From the depths of the ocean to the clouds in the sky. From diversity of human language, food and culture to the world of animals that are perfectly designed for their specific environment. The evidence does not show any accidents or evolutionary adaptations taking place but rather it shows a carefully planned, designed, sustained and beautiful universe by a Supreme Creator. In other words, in the creation, we can ‘see’ God.

Our Innate Nature Knows God Exists

A belief in the Supreme Creator of all that exists is ingrained in human nature. Even if we choose not to see God in the evidence that is around us, our true nature cannot deny it. At times of distress and disaster in our lives, our true nature shines through; when we are faced with the imminent prospect of our own death or of our child or other loved one, even the hardest atheist is forced to cry out to God. Despite all our advancements, we cannot control life and death, or control the rainfall or the wind, let alone alter any part of the revolving universe even by a tiny fraction. In the face of our own limitations, when we deny that God exists, we fumble for a word to describe the Power and wisdom of God that we can see and feel. We resort to words like ‘mother nature,’ ‘laws of nature,’ ‘natural process’ or even ‘order of the universe.’ It is a reluctant acknowledgement that there is a power controlling the universe.

The Quran asks those who don’t believe:


“Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.” [Noble Quran 52:35-36]


“Is Allah better or what they associate with Him?” [More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and the earth and sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow thereby gardens of joyful beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the trees thereof? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but they are a people who ascribe equals [to Him].” [Noble Quran 27:59-60]


In the face of all the evidence around us and within us, it is entirely reasonable to believe in the existence of God and being firmly convinced of His power and wisdom without ever having seen God.

But I Still Want to See God

A person may be convinced that God exists but they may still ask: ‘Why can’t I see God?’

How can the believer not marvel at the creation and power of God and desire to see God himself?

In the Quran, we are told the story of Prophet Moses and how he asked to see God. He had no doubt about the existence of God, but since he had been given an appointed time and place to speak to God, Prophet Moses assumed that he would see God too. The Quran states:

“And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said,

“My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You.” [Allah] said, “You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me.” But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, “Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.” [Noble Quran 7:143]


We Are Physically Incapable of Seeing God

When God appeared to the mountain, it shattered into pieces, because He is not similar to anything that we know and we are unable to comprehend and see Him.

“Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted.” [Noble Quran 6:103]

“[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” [Noble Quran 42:11]


What we know is our world and it is in this world, with certain condition that we are able to survive. If those conditions change, such as atmosphere, gravity, temperature, then we could not survive on this planet.

Belief In The Unseen

The limits to abilities we face are imposed on us by God. He did not give us the ability to see Him, but He did give us the capacity to know that He exists. There will, however, come a point when the unseen will become known to us – a point where God will give us the ability to see what we previously could not. We will then see the unseen such as death, the grave, the angels, the day of judgement and the afterlife.

Those who believed in the unseen, without having seen, and acted according to God’s commands as they were revealed to His prophet Muhammad will be supremely successful.

It is these successful ones who will ultimately ‘see’ God. They will be given the ability to see God without shattering like the mountain. It will be a beautiful confirmation of what they always knew.

https://islamfaith.com/if-you-cant-see-god-why-believe-in-him/
 
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I know u are a smart guy. But if wish to discuss, would appreciate u dont act naive :smile:

Old Indonesian spelling eg. Tjang (Chang), Tjhoea (Chua), Tanuwijaya/Tanuwidjaja (Tan) Wongsosaputro (Wong), Halim (Lim). You might also see various surnames ending in 'i' eg. Stefani, Gunadi, Kodri, Oktriani, Noviandi and some of them end in 'o' eg. Muljoto, Febriyanto. Some surnames also happen to be variations of first names eg. Tiffany, Henry, Claudia.

Why do u like to assume? No where did i mention teres no Muslims practising in China.Our discussion was on those 1 million Uyghur Muslims. China poured in the Hans. Tat doesnt augers well for the local residents. Jobs were stolen from them. Does it ring a bell? :smile: I can understand where u are coming from. We dont have to argue whos right or wrong. U can called someone a terrorist. But tom he may be called a hero eg Mandela. So to the Cheena regime, anyone oppose them consider as terrorist. So there are 1 million terrorists according to u. Tell me honestly, is it cruel if the garment take away your daughters/sons to a concentration camp. Forced them to renounce their religion and tradition/culture/mother tongue?

I already mentioned it was the financial crisis. Everywhere havoc. Political in nature cos the armies and thugs were involved. During riot, teres no time for thugs to differentiate which race/religion the victims were. U just need to google. And u should know how notorious those armies were. Killing/raping is definitely against humanity. Anyway not just cheena but non muslim shops were not spared too. It was a chaotic time.

There are indon chinese that told me that they lost their surnames! Even that stupid m&d name replacement is also destroying chinese culture then of cuz if the indon m&d ban chinese name, the chinese will use m&d name that sound familiar with their surname! U dumbass! Even a retard guy also will think of that and u need me to explain!

Then u nev talk abt the indon m&d massacre and rape chinese! This is much worse than xinjiang and u keep mentioning about xinjiang!

The uyghur really go riot and murder chinese! This is also call terrorist! How sure is 1m? That ang mo article can able to go inside and count? Did the chinese massacre and rape uyghur? Ask them use chinese surname and ask them dont speak their stupid language! Every muslim is bias!

Almost every nnon muslim country is condemning islam! Why? Your group of idiots bring bad names about islam!
 
Come on. The uighyrs homeland is purposely being repopulate with han Chinese by the CCP. And worse, they expect the uighyrs to behave like han chinese and eat their horrid food.i would stick with kebabs thank you.
The number on chinese killed by indons pale in comparison with the number of chinese killed by Chinese in China.

Chinese started the attrocities in south east asia first.
Malayan emergency fighting mostly Chinese communists guerrillas.



CasualtiesEdit
During the conflict, security forces killed 6,710 MRLA guerrillas and captured 1,287, while 2,702 guerrillas surrendered during the conflict, and approximately 500 more did so at its conclusion. 1,345 Malayan troops and police were killed during the fighting,[41] as well as 519 Commonwealth personnel.[42] 2,478 civilians were killed, with another 810 recorded as missing.[42]

Chinese in Malaya killed European planters, their workers, Malay policemen and army personnel. Bobby traps, ambush, cost millions and delayed malaya's development as money were used to fight this
insurgency.
 
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Come on. The uighyrs homeland is purposely being repopulate with han Chinese by the CCP. And worse, they expect the uighyrs to behave like han chinese and eat their horrid food.i would stick with kebabs thank you.
The number on chinese killed by indons pale in comparison with the number of chinese killed by Chinese in China.

Chinese started the attrocities in south east asia first.
Malayan emergency fighting mostly Chinese communists guerrillas.



CasualtiesEdit
During the conflict, security forces killed 6,710 MRLA guerrillas and captured 1,287, while 2,702 guerrillas surrendered during the conflict, and approximately 500 more did so at its conclusion. 1,345 Malayan troops and police were killed during the fighting,[41] as well as 519 Commonwealth personnel.[42] 2,478 civilians were killed, with another 810 recorded as missing.[42]

Chinese in Malaya killed European planters, their workers, Malay policemen and army personnel. Bobby traps, ambush, cost millions and delayed malaya's development as money were used to fight this
insurgency.
and yet DAP chaps brought back chin peng ashes to malaysia sneakily and did a ceremonial burial in malaysian soil ...a lot of malysian ex vetran soldiers and policemen were very very upset ...they wanted to know the govt position on the communist leader who killed and maimed thousands ...but PR was in power and DAP had the most MPs...so they sort og try to play it down and Mahathir played dumb....it is acts like this that brought PR government down ....there were a lot of malay or Bumi MPs who thought its highly treason to bring the body of a communist leader and celeberated it
 
You are missing the jungle and look at the forest view. It doesnt matter what part of the bible he read to go to war in ME.

Its a oil trade war. Saddam wanted to trade his oil in his Iraqi dollars, thats where he stepped on the foot of Saudi country.

He got oil only and no huge economy like China. He died cock standing.

China is doung just that buy crude oil in RMB. China huge economy buy massive oil and why shd China has to buy in USD, even for 1 liter of crude oil.

So is Russia.

Why shd US hurt Iraq over useless religious of no value for economy.

What Bush read Bible was all fake to go war with Muslim country.

Psst...psst...if you like my bullshit click the like button.



that's exactly what I am talking about. When I talk to you, you say more defensive, when I talk to some other people, the answer is very different. Both you and them belong to same group.

Your Bush example is perfect. He is following his scripture to the letter as far as he is concerned and he is doing so in god's name to bring peace and wellbeing to the world. He truly believed that. That's why he's so shocked when the guy start throwing shoes at him. Everyday, he had scripture delivered to him, perfectly copied from the bible then you see what turned out. After reading scripture, he order the invasion. So that's why when you say refer to scripture, I think of Bush I kecut. Bush is somebody who religiously followed scripture tiap tiap hari before he made any decision.

oh another point. There are Jews and Christians who opposed his invasion of the Middle East. They ALL believed they were following god's/yahweh's will.

This is one example of why I believe good >= righteous. All these people who fought against each other, each one believed they were righteous.
 
When a leopard died it leaves behind its skin. When a man died he leaves behind his name.

Chin Peng name lives forever and when mentioned his name piss the PR off with no ends in sight.

and yet DAP chaps brought back chin peng ashes to malaysia sneakily and did a ceremonial burial in malaysian soil ...a lot of malysian ex vetran soldiers and policemen were very very upset ...they wanted to know the govt position on the communist leader who killed and maimed thousands ...but PR was in power and DAP had the most MPs...so they sort og try to play it down and Mahathir played dumb....it is acts like this that brought PR government down ....there were a lot of malay or Bumi MPs who thought its highly treason to bring the body of a communist leader and celeberated it
 
Dont u know teres so many gods in this world. U can see them in temples. But my God is invisible. Among all HIS creations, we humans stand above all. Not even the setan or jinn above us. We are given the brain to think. Beside human, the rest have very limited capacity to think. So u think and pick ur choice.:thumbsup: U can remain an atheist. Its ur choice that u will be accounted for on Judgement Day. No compulsion in religion.

Just to jump in, "setan" must have had a brain to think in order to rebel and like humans, he had the free will to choose. If we have brain and setan has brain, we are equals. I don't see the logic that humans are better than setan.

Setan represents free will above all else.

Don't know much about jinns, just that if I rub the right lamp, I get 3 wishes :sneaky:
 
You are missing the jungle and look at the forest view. It doesnt matter what part of the bible he read to go to war in ME.

Its a oil trade war. Saddam wanted to trade his oil in his Iraqi dollars, thats where he stepped on the foot of Saudi country.

He got oil only and no huge economy like China. He died cock standing.

China is doung just that buy crude oil in RMB. China huge economy buy massive oil and why shd China has to buy in USD, even for 1 liter of crude oil.

So is Russia.

Why shd US hurt Iraq over useless religious of no value for economy.

What Bush read Bible was all fake to go war with Muslim country.

Psst...psst...if you like my bullshit click the like button.
I agree with you. :thumbsup: That's the true motivation for the people in charge of US to do it. But I don't know if you know this but Bush is a stooge. Got player by the powers behind him to follow their instructions using religion. I talking with you and whoami about 2 different things.
 
Precisely. Gave Islam a bad name. Imagin PAS called UMNO kafir. Tats a very very serious charge/allegation. Aduh. :cautious:
I don't know about you, but from what I've seen, the my Islam is original and yours is fake is very common in the world. that's why I say jaga sendiri when you go overseas to Muslims in other country. I can only speak person to person, so I caution personal security. Big issue as to who is right or wrong not for me to say. I just try and do whatever good I can.
 
Come on. The uighyrs homeland is purposely being repopulate with han Chinese by the CCP. And worse, they expect the uighyrs to behave like han chinese and eat their horrid food.i would stick with kebabs thank you.
The number on chinese killed by indons pale in comparison with the number of chinese killed by Chinese in China.

Chinese started the attrocities in south east asia first.
Malayan emergency fighting mostly Chinese communists guerrillas.



CasualtiesEdit
During the conflict, security forces killed 6,710 MRLA guerrillas and captured 1,287, while 2,702 guerrillas surrendered during the conflict, and approximately 500 more did so at its conclusion. 1,345 Malayan troops and police were killed during the fighting,[41] as well as 519 Commonwealth personnel.[42] 2,478 civilians were killed, with another 810 recorded as missing.[42]

Chinese in Malaya killed European planters, their workers, Malay policemen and army personnel. Bobby traps, ambush, cost millions and delayed malaya's development as money were used to fight this
insurgency.

The chinese has a large population so it cant be compared with indon m&d kill the chinese!

Chinese food is one of the best in the world! U gonna miss enjoying your entire life eating chinese food! The m&d food is so little variety and u always everyday eat curry then your shit will become watery and you might shit on your pants!
 
Chinese food is one of the best in the world! U gonna miss enjoying your entire life eating chinese food! The m&d food is so little variety and u always everyday eat curry then your shit will become watery and you might shit on your pants!

Chinese food is nothing but rice wine and herbs.taste like medicine. I suppose that is why so many suicides among Chinese.
Malay food is nothing wrt curry. That is indian.
 
HE is your creator. He designed u. Wat right have we to demand tat HE appear infront of us? Doesnt HIS words in the Quran good enough? Have u ever browse thru the Quran, yes? U should be lucky HE gave us oxygen to breathe which we took for granted. Wait till u on ventilators then u will appreciate. :smile:

Anyway i am no ustaz. Hope following link helps:


Is Seeing God Enough to Believe?

What would happen if we could see God? Would it bring an end to all doubt about His existence and unite human beings into one religious family? Would it herald the start of a utopian society on earth? Imagine the average individual was able to see God. How long would they need to see Him to be convinced? Would they need to talk to God? Would other people believe that they had seen Him? And after seeing God, how can we be sure their mind would not play tricks on them and they would begin to doubt again? Would they sometime later need to see God again?

Do We Need to ‘See’ to ‘Know’?

‘I’ll believe it when I see it’ is a dismissive statement that we say when we are not convinced of the ‘it’ under discussion. We don’t need to ‘see’ in order to believe. We are perfectly capable of being convinced by being given the right proof, and if this was not the case our lives would be chaotic.

For example, before setting out on a trip, people check the weather and traffic conditions. If the most direct route is gridlocked, they would happily take a longer route. They do not need to ‘see’ the traffic to be convinced and change plans according to the information available.

In the same way, in every aspect of our lives, from working to socialising, we act according to the information available. We connect with other human beings without ‘seeing.’ We don’t need to have a video chat or see visual proof of our online colleagues, though we might be curious about them. We don’t doubt they are real because although we don’t see them, we see evidence like their mail, texts and documents.

The same point was made eloquently by a Bedouin in Arabia, when he was asked how he could be convinced of God when he had never seen him.

He replied: “Camel dung indicates camels, donkey dung indicates donkeys and footprints indicate travel. So the sky, with its constellations and the seas with its waves, do not these indicate the All-Knowing, the All-Powerful?”

The analogy may be simple – maybe even crude, but the point is profound. As humans, we are amazed by our own advancements in all spheres of knowledge, be it in architecture, technology or creativity. But we never ascribe our achievements to chance or a natural process. We accept our inventions all have inventors or manufacturers. Yet despite all advancements, they are insignificant when compared to the wonders of the ‘natural world.’ The tallest structure cannot compare to the tallest mountain; the brightest light is insignificant next to the sun; and the mighty civilisation is miniscule compared with the mind-blowing vastness of the universe.

If we cannot accept small creations could come into being spontaneously, is it not unreasonable to suppose the mountains, the sun and all of the universe does not have a powerful creator?

The Proof of God is All Around Us

The Quran tells us:


“Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and earth, and the alternation of the night and the day, and the [great] ships which sail through the sea with that which benefits people, and what Allah has sent down from the heavens of rain, giving life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and dispersing therein every [kind of] moving creature, and [His] directing of the winds and the clouds controlled between the heaven and the earth are signs for a people who use reason.” [Noble Quran 2:164]


We have proof of an all-mighty Creator all around us. The Quran invites us to use our greatest faculty of reason to see the evidence of a Creator in His creation. Without seeing God, we can be firmly convinced of His existence.

Take any part of our world or the universe that fascinates you and you will not fail to find proof of the existence of God. From the harmonious functioning of the universe to the complex process that occurs in our own bodies. From the depths of the ocean to the clouds in the sky. From diversity of human language, food and culture to the world of animals that are perfectly designed for their specific environment. The evidence does not show any accidents or evolutionary adaptations taking place but rather it shows a carefully planned, designed, sustained and beautiful universe by a Supreme Creator. In other words, in the creation, we can ‘see’ God.

Our Innate Nature Knows God Exists

A belief in the Supreme Creator of all that exists is ingrained in human nature. Even if we choose not to see God in the evidence that is around us, our true nature cannot deny it. At times of distress and disaster in our lives, our true nature shines through; when we are faced with the imminent prospect of our own death or of our child or other loved one, even the hardest atheist is forced to cry out to God. Despite all our advancements, we cannot control life and death, or control the rainfall or the wind, let alone alter any part of the revolving universe even by a tiny fraction. In the face of our own limitations, when we deny that God exists, we fumble for a word to describe the Power and wisdom of God that we can see and feel. We resort to words like ‘mother nature,’ ‘laws of nature,’ ‘natural process’ or even ‘order of the universe.’ It is a reluctant acknowledgement that there is a power controlling the universe.

The Quran asks those who don’t believe:


“Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]? Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.” [Noble Quran 52:35-36]


“Is Allah better or what they associate with Him?” [More precisely], is He [not best] who created the heavens and the earth and sent down for you rain from the sky, causing to grow thereby gardens of joyful beauty which you could not [otherwise] have grown the trees thereof? Is there a deity with Allah? [No], but they are a people who ascribe equals [to Him].” [Noble Quran 27:59-60]


In the face of all the evidence around us and within us, it is entirely reasonable to believe in the existence of God and being firmly convinced of His power and wisdom without ever having seen God.

But I Still Want to See God

A person may be convinced that God exists but they may still ask: ‘Why can’t I see God?’

How can the believer not marvel at the creation and power of God and desire to see God himself?

In the Quran, we are told the story of Prophet Moses and how he asked to see God. He had no doubt about the existence of God, but since he had been given an appointed time and place to speak to God, Prophet Moses assumed that he would see God too. The Quran states:

“And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said,

“My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You.” [Allah] said, “You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me.” But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, “Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.” [Noble Quran 7:143]


We Are Physically Incapable of Seeing God

When God appeared to the mountain, it shattered into pieces, because He is not similar to anything that we know and we are unable to comprehend and see Him.

“Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted.” [Noble Quran 6:103]

“[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.” [Noble Quran 42:11]


What we know is our world and it is in this world, with certain condition that we are able to survive. If those conditions change, such as atmosphere, gravity, temperature, then we could not survive on this planet.

Belief In The Unseen

The limits to abilities we face are imposed on us by God. He did not give us the ability to see Him, but He did give us the capacity to know that He exists. There will, however, come a point when the unseen will become known to us – a point where God will give us the ability to see what we previously could not. We will then see the unseen such as death, the grave, the angels, the day of judgement and the afterlife.

Those who believed in the unseen, without having seen, and acted according to God’s commands as they were revealed to His prophet Muhammad will be supremely successful.

It is these successful ones who will ultimately ‘see’ God. They will be given the ability to see God without shattering like the mountain. It will be a beautiful confirmation of what they always knew.

https://islamfaith.com/if-you-cant-see-god-why-believe-in-him/
You mentioned you rejected verses in the Quran wrt freedom of faith and usage of rational thinking.
 
Chinese food is nothing but rice wine and herbs.taste like medicine. I suppose that is why so many suicides among Chinese.
Malay food is nothing wrt curry. That is indian.

Lol! Chinese food has much varieties that you cant think of! m&d food also always have curry! Anyway, both ah neh and m&d food is so little variety! I will bored to death always eating your kind of food!
 
Just to jump in, "setan" must have had a brain to think in order to rebel and like humans, he had the free will to choose. If we have brain and setan has brain, we are equals. I don't see the logic that humans are better than setan.

Setan represents free will above all else.

Don't know much about jinns, just that if I rub the right lamp, I get 3 wishes :sneaky:

Oh ya. I forgot u dont believe in the unseen. But u know teres oxygen.

Btw if u read the Quran, Shaitan rejected and refused to bow to Nabi Adam as commanded by Allah. Shaitan do have brain and intelligent too. But wats the point being intelligent but arrogant. So he requested tat Allah grant him his wishes i.e. allow him to lead mankind astray. Allah granted his wishes but HE will protect those who rejected Shaitan and follow the straight path.
 
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