Barisan socialis come back to challenge PAP

[myjohnson]

Well my take on the political front is "corruption" as seen in Indonesia as described by your goodself, Philippines, Thailand, Burma, Cambodia and even Malaysia. Endemic malaise of raw visceral "corruption" from the elite classes. This sort of "corruption" inevitably rankles the public masses and eventually makes them act on it with anger.

Does this sort of "corruption" exist in Singapore? Just going by the public masses attitude towards LKY and the PAP government I should think the answer is in the negative.

Perhaps it's time to take another look at what political interpretations and the different definitions of corruption are in the comparative context of Asean nations.

Must it be outright embezzlement, bribery,extortion, nepotism, collusion or the end point of kleptocracy?

What about disguising and justifying corruption in the name of special circumstances, constraints and nationhood survival?

Would it be more apt to use the term 'IMMORALITY' to replace corruption for the masses to be awaken to it's existence?

 

[myjohnson]

You got your history terribly wrong. Their favourite son was Lim Yew Hock. The British dispised Marshall, Old Man, Keng Swee, Chin Siong, Byrne and whole host of players from a variety of groups agitating for freedom from colonial rule. What started as pay difference in the civil service, turned out to be a full cry for freedom.

Tungku was the other favourite son until he became leader of UMNO and knew where his loyalities lie.

Have noticed that you not only have your history wrong but the political equations that matter as well.

For instance, the issue with CSJ is his appeal to Singaporeans. It matters little if old man loves or hates him. CSJ battle is with Singaporeans to recognise and accept him. Votes count in this game.

It makes no sense engaging the tyrannical bastard or his overpaid cronies. It makes no sense enaging the foreign press, when this fucking old man has the hide of an elephant and knows that every token foreign criticism has little or no impact on foreign investment. I can only recall that one 3rd rate british uni decided not to set up shop here.

Am I detecting a kindred spirit in your anger as someone who had read Said Zahari's 'The Long Nightmare'?

 

[myjohnson]

Exactly, rather than regurgitate what that's been said I will just add that it'll take more than miracles to turn things around, if there're such things. Will there be a new dawn, I dont think so. At least not in the near furure, in such climates, in this generation.:p

Unless the old fuck can live for another 100 years, I don't see why not.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I do not quibble with you over the various forms that "corruption" may take. However it appears that the public masses generally only tend to blow a fuse when it comes to outright raw blatant visceral "corruption" and this too usually needs to take place over a length of time.

Saying that, I don't think the public masses are fools. Do you think they approve of the obscene high salaries for political office holders and top civil servants? I don't think so, but they grudgingly accept it based on the current political realities. No doubt PAPs have lost and shall continue to loose political capital on this controversial and emotional issue. Same goes for other apparent conflict issues, latest being the apparent unwillingness by PAPs to take proper and adequate accountability over the Mas Selamat fiasco.

On the question of morals and ethics, I think a huge cumulative aggregate is required with consistent incompetent governance and economic failure over a considerable length of time before you would see the public masses starting to take strong interest and action. Saying that, the PAPs have backed down occasionally when the public really cannot accept a certain true unfair/unjust policy like the graduate mother's sceheme. A recent eg. would be the way the PAPs had to refine the CPF annuity policy after much public displeasure.

Perhaps it's time to take another look at what political interpretations and the different definitions of corruption are in the comparative context of Asean nations.

Must it be outright embezzlement, bribery,extortion, nepotism, collusion or the end point of kleptocracy?

What about disguising and justifying corruption in the name of special circumstances, constraints and nationhood survival?

Would it be more apt to use the term 'IMMORALITY' to replace corruption for the masses to be awaken to it's existence?

 

[Kid278]

Unless the old fuck can live for another 100 years, I don't see why not.

The old fcuk refuses to die, atrial flutter fails to retire him or even reminds him of his evils. He may not live a 100 years but the evils he'll leave behind is not going to go away overnight. A great deal of the population are either apathetic or apolitical. Even stupid or chose to be. Until and unless they realize that they are actually victims of tyranny and social darwinism, nothing is going to change.

Like you and everyone else, I placed a hope but to see things turning around in the near future remains a doubt.:p Anyway the struggle has to go on, else nothing is going to happen, not even in the next generation.:p

 

[zhihau]

Like you and everyone else, I placed a hope but to see things turning around in the near future remains a doubt.:p Anyway the struggle has to go on, else nothing is going to happen, not even in the next generation.:p

don't worry, things will change, problem is folks need to make it better for all

 

[Kid278]

don't worry, things will change, problem is folks need to make it better for all

I certainly hope so, nothing could be better than freedom and human dignity. And social darwinism is a dangerous philosophy, it has to be checkmated. The old fcuk is preaching and practising it in social context. Those who cannot catch up, the less fortunate and the poor will be left behind and cut off. They will continue to suffer if not left to die. :(

The old fcuk's recent speaking at Human Capital Summit about *Assortative mating* shows how corrupted his mind is by this philosophy. Not very much different from Adolf Hitler's theory on the stronger must not mate with the weaker.

 

[zhihau]

The old fcuk's recent speaking at Human Capital Summit about *Assortative mating* shows how corrupted his mind is by this philosophy. Not very much different from Adolf Hitler's theory on the stronger must not mate with the weaker.

do you happen to realize that poorer folks tend to have more children? those who are better off financially are bearing less children.

 

[scroobal]

do you happen to realize that poorer folks tend to have more children? those who are better off financially are bearing less children.

bro, excellent point and hugely significant point. Imagine a cabinet minister for over 40 years and he cannot make the connection.










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[zhihau]

bro, excellent point and hugely significant point. Imagine a cabinet minister for over 40 years and he cannot make the connection.

for a moment i thought they always had this penchant to present hard facts & figures...

 

[scroobal]

for a moment i thought they always had this penchant to present hard facts & figures...

30 years ago old man said that statistics is like a bikini, reveals a lot but the not the complete picture. He then became master of using statistics when it was convenient.

Since 1993, the bikini became too revealing on the citizenship figures from census bgan to be embargoed.

 

[fivestars]

BS and PAP story will end when Lim and Lee past away.

They no longer our leade. They are our grand father and father friends and leaders.

We do not had any relation with Lim kids and Lee Kids.

Red Star also center the star and add green color to perform new generation to take care Singaporean. We are not PAP or BS.

 

[zhihau]

30 years ago old man said that statistics is like a bikini, reveals a lot but the not the complete picture. He then became master of using statistics when it was convenient.

Since 1993, the bikini became too revealing on the citizenship figures from census bgan to be embargoed.

i thought they gave the figures for Citizenship recently? another U-turn?

 

[scroobal]

i thought they gave the figures for Citizenship recently? another U-turn?

They revealed that it was 65% recently. But it is not freely available.

 

[Kid278]

do you happen to realize that poorer folks tend to have more children? those who are better off financially are bearing less children.

True, the old fcuk knows that too. The disparity is getting bigger, he knows he cant change that. And it worried him, he opposes welfarism. He shuns doing more to help the poor, if he can you will not be surprise he'll not hestitate to make barren the poor. The poor are seen as weak and cant contribute and must not multiply.:(

 

[zhihau]

The disparity is getting bigger, he knows he cant change that.

on the contrary, i thought he was trying to...

 

[Kid278]

on the contrary, i thought he was trying to...

He pobably is trying but deep down he knows he cant. Advocating that the poor should reproduce less can only reduce or contain the percentage of the poor, it is not going to change anything. The better off is not reproducing enough to match, if not, not reproducing at all. And there's nothing he can do about it.:o

 

[zhihau]

He pobably is trying but deep down he knows he cant. Advocating that the poor should reproduce less can only reduce or contain the percentage of the poor, it is not going to change anything. The better off is not reproducing enough to match, if not, not reproducing at all. And there's nothing he can do about it.:o

you've seen the situation at the ICA?

 

[SpareTyre]

scroobal, goldendragon, porfiro, i thank for you this discussion which has been an educational experience for me.

if you have to recommend one book to read, to give someone like me who does not know much about singapore's political history in the formative 1950s-90s....what would you recommend?

much appreciated

 

[Cruxx]

You marry a non-graduate, then you are going to worry if your son or daughter is going to make it to university!