Backlash against SDP if WP loses

[cass888]

Thought they had 3 seats? Ooops, I forgot. The MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan lost it all.

Thye idea of opposition unity from SDP is: SDP leads whereas the rest united under SDP.

so who is arrogant?

SDP want to lead? Win some seats first then talk about leading. If not, cant win, cant lead and no one will follow.

 

[Fook Seng]

U talking rubbish!! How can WP be at fault? If WP 35%, PAP 40% and SDP 25%, then its obvious SDP is the spoiler. SDP is handling victory to his bitterest enemy by his own stupid actions.

I am not too sure that PAP is SDP's bitterest enemy. All their actions seemed to show that they are the best of friends.

 

[zhihau]

I am not too sure that PAP is SDP's bitterest enemy. All their actions seemed to show that they are the best of friends.

the friend of my friend is my friend, the enemy of my enemy is also my friend

 

[Fook Seng]

the friend of my friend is my friend, the enemy of my enemy is also my friend

This is if you follow the philosophy of hate.

 

[zhihau]

This is if you follow the philosophy of hate.

me subscribe to a philosophy of compassion

 

[Fook Seng]

If SDP is the lone opposition doing this, I will call them crazy. the fact is that we are seeing at least 3 opposition parties going against WP: SDP, SDA and RP. They cannot have turned into idiot all the sudden. I mean the most crazy comment is from Desmond (Lim?) of SDA, " even if I can gain 1% support, I will be happy." I seriously doubt that he will keep his deposit this round neither. Is he that rich to throw his money away unless there is something else driving him to do so?

I think WP still thinks that they are invincible and they will win this by-election. They will say, "bring it on!" And if the other oppositions failed to submit their candidates, WP's attitude towards fellow oppositions will even be worse in the next election.

Did it not occur to you that these three names you mentioned happened to be the three greatest losers in GE 2011? Anyone who has any idea of doing a partnership, joint venture or merger will know that you should do it with winners and not losers. Those parties not named here are more likely the parties that will see some kind of collaboration in the future.

 

[Fook Seng]

me subscribe to a philosophy of compassion

Which party you would wish to give your compassion to?

 

[zhihau]

Which party you would wish to give your compassion to?

my vote is secret

 

[Fook Seng]

my vote is secret

You have a chance to vote?

 

[zhihau]

You a chance to vote?

sorry ah, no chance at Punggol East, but if me were to cast the vote, it will be given to the opposition :p:p:p

 

[metalmickey]

All you need to do is to take a step back and think. If we all know that none of the opposition will gain if there is a multiple corner fight, won't the oppositions know as well? Hey! I was cursing and swearing at SDP, RP and SDA the last week, there is no reason whey they are all so dumb, unless they are not.

I am just stating what I see and I am sure if I see this, there are others, too!

Sorry, the argument "the opposition wouldn't be doing this if they were not dumb" is a totally bogus argument. We know that it is possible for the opposition to be dumb. It is like World War I where all the leaders of the world went into war, and every one thought it was the right thing, even though it turned out to be the stupidest thing possible.

The non-WP opposition should not be thinking, "we will fix WP". Nobody likes to see the opposition think this way. Even Chee Soon Juan understands this which is why his proposal was made in the name of "opposition unity". But the reason why his proposal was such a lousy one is because everybody can blatantly see that he's lying.

All the opposition parties roughly know how well they'll do in a straight fight against the PAP. But none of them other than SDA know how well they'll do in a 3 corner fight. If they do well then it will be not be so bad for WP, because people will sympathise with WP. If they do badly, then it will be bad for them, because it will show that they are weak. During the next GE there is still room for all the opposition parties because not everybody who challenged the PAP in 2011 are quality candidates. If SDP pulls out it will be good for the SDP because everybody else will commit suicide and they won't.

 

[metalmickey]

If SDP is the lone opposition doing this, I will call them crazy. the fact is that we are seeing at least 3 opposition parties going against WP: SDP, SDA and RP. They cannot have turned into idiot all the sudden. I mean the most crazy comment is from Desmond (Lim?) of SDA, " even if I can gain 1% support, I will be happy." I seriously doubt that he will keep his deposit this round neither. Is he that rich to throw his money away unless there is something else driving him to do so?

People were talking about opposition unity in the last election and they felt that it was a good thing. Opposition unity simply means that the opposition are not killing each other.

If people see that there is no opposition unity, they will go back to voting for the PAP, and all opposition parties will lose. And the smallest opposition parties will lose even more because at least WP can afford to lose a few percentage points - the smaller parties will die out.

In this by-election, there are plenty of opportunities to whack the PAP, and the purpose for participating in the by-election is to whack the PAP, not whack your fellow opposition party. If the opposition party whack each other, it will be a distraction. All parties should be "you grow and I grow".

SDP were walking around Punggol East, trying to "figure out" if they can still get enough votes. They are concerned about how much they can win if they contest. They are still not stupid enough to not realise that if they lose big, it will be very damaging for them. They are still making up their minds now. It is very tempting for them to think that "since we have gotten this far, we might as well go ahead". But they must realise that if they lose big, they can never turn it back around.

 

[Fook Seng]

sorry ah, no chance at Punggol East, but if me were to cast the vote, it will be given to the opposition :p:p:p

I have to declare first that I am not conducting a poll. Otherwise I get slammed $1,500 fine.

 

[Fook Seng]

sorry ah, no chance at Punggol East, but if me were to cast the vote, it will be given to the opposition :p:p:p

Giving it to the one likely to poll the least votes probably draw on the most compassion.

 

[Fook Seng]

sorry ah, no chance at Punggol East, but if me were to cast the vote, it will be given to the opposition :p:p:p

I will give it to the people. Who do they want?

 

[tanwahp]

I can finally see why LTK once said that it will take 50 years to replace the ruling party. Most people predicted 20 years and I remember his forecast was the longest and he was attacked for that.

To win against PAP in future, bringing them down below 50% is not enough. You need to bring them down to less than 40% while ensuring no more than 5% of your own votes are taken away by another third opposition.

LTK long ago foresaw that nearly every constituency will have a 3CF or more once politics get vibrant. That's why he said 50 years.

 

[denzuko1]

Sorry, the argument "the opposition wouldn't be doing this if they were not dumb" is a totally bogus argument. We know that it is possible for the opposition to be dumb. It is like World War I where all the leaders of the world went into war, and every one thought it was the right thing, even though it turned out to be the stupidest thing possible.

The non-WP opposition should not be thinking, "we will fix WP". Nobody likes to see the opposition think this way. Even Chee Soon Juan understands this which is why his proposal was made in the name of "opposition unity". But the reason why his proposal was such a lousy one is because everybody can blatantly see that he's lying.

All the opposition parties roughly know how well they'll do in a straight fight against the PAP. But none of them other than SDA know how well they'll do in a 3 corner fight. If they do well then it will be not be so bad for WP, because people will sympathise with WP. If they do badly, then it will be bad for them, because it will show that they are weak. During the next GE there is still room for all the opposition parties because not everybody who challenged the PAP in 2011 are quality candidates. If SDP pulls out it will be good for the SDP because everybody else will commit suicide and they won't.

It is not a bogus argument. Just put yourself into a sound opposition shoes. If you analyse the result of the last election with WP holding 41% vote, would you think that you have a chance in winning this ward (especially if you are Desmond Lim of SDA)? The only sound result is diluting of opposition vote and most likely the the 3 intruders losing their deposits and supporters. But the fact that they are still jumping in tells me there are more to it than meets the eye.

Chee calling on WP to resolve the problem is just wayang to demonstrate that he is a reasonable person and willing to compromise. The fact is what is there to compromise in the first place? It is WP territory and SDP and others are stepping on their land. This put WP into a double bind, agree to the meeting and they a deemed bowing to other opposition parties, refusing becoming display of their arogance.

WP won't win in this election even without the disturbance of the opposition. While Palmer Gate may erode 5% of the vote, the Aim Saga will bring fear to the people for voting opposition, you won't know what next to expect to make you repend.

 

[denzuko1]

People were talking about opposition unity in the last election and they felt that it was a good thing. Opposition unity simply means that the opposition are not killing each other.

If people see that there is no opposition unity, they will go back to voting for the PAP, and all opposition parties will lose. And the smallest opposition parties will lose even more because at least WP can afford to lose a few percentage points - the smaller parties will die out.......... They are still not stupid enough to not realise that if they lose big, it will be very damaging for them. They are still making up their minds now. It is very tempting for them to think that "since we have gotten this far, we might as well go ahead". But they must realise that if they lose big, they can never turn it back around.

what opposition unity? Have a meeting to cut up territory does not lead to opposition unity. It is more like those gangster movies when all the head join together to "talk number".

If you want a true opposition unity, refer to Pakatan Rakyat(PR) of Malaysia. they not only ensure a one to one fight, they join resources to help each other during election and by-election, they also ensure resolve of difference between each other and present a united front againt the ruling coalition. And do you know who made this possible? Its not the PR themselves. In fact they were still squabling with each other at the beginning of the coalition. It was the people who force them to settle their difference because they want to make sure a united from because they voted them in.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

That is the most ridiculous statement I have heard.

Goh Meng Seng

If PAP wins and WP loses and it is because of SDP spoiler, there will be a backlash against SDP. They will be finished b4 the next GE just like Tan Kin Liang was finished for spoiling the PE.

 

[aurvandil]

People seem to be completely ignoring the possibility that the PAP might win an absolute majority in PE.

That is the most ridiculous statement I have heard.

Goh Meng Seng