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This is why LKY tell local Muslim don't be so strict!

Devil Within

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In UK they failed miserably to integrate multiculturalism because UK Muslim cannot integrate. They are very strict and you have to integrate with them and not the other way.

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Jah_rastafar_I

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we all know of these double standards and there are many cowards out there that refuse to speak out about it. Not all malays are like that but religious malays would definitely see this as offensive.
 

kingrant

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It is the radical Muslim extremists everywhere who are hijacking the religion of Islam for their political agenda. Responsible moderate Muslims worldwide have to stand up and speak up against extremism and rein in their wayward behaviours that are making them hated and revulsed and difficult to integrate.

Hopefully, the other religions and secular society should also take this in their stride, as over the history of civilsations, Mankind have gone thru various phases of anti-this and anti-that, e.g. anti-Semitism, anti-Christians (during Roman Empire); anti-Chinese; anti-Japanese; anti-Catholic; anti-Protestantism etc. Maybe it is a phase we have to go thru to get to the other side.
 

makapaaa

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The real issue in Peesai is that the FAPee TRAITORS are forcing Sporns to integrate with the FTrash and the LCB is playing with the racial card YET AGAIN to divert Sporns' attention from the real issue! Donch be FOOLED!
 

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myo539

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In UK they failed miserably to integrate multiculturalism because UK Muslim cannot integrate. They are very strict and you have to integrate with them and not the other way.

MM Lee is right in every other way. Imagine the Hindus and Buddhists become very strict like the Muslims, then they won't sit with their fellow friends and colleagues who eat McDonald beef burger or Jackplace ribeye steak - not to mention entering an Mc or Jackplace outlet.

Imagine Fatimah Lateef and Halimah won't sit down and loh hei with SM Goh and Lim Boon Heng or any non-Muslim residents in their constituency. Or non-Muslim Nathan and LHL not allowed to visit and eat with Sultan Johor during hari raya open house!

If in the past Muslims can sit and eat and play with non-Muslims without any religious self-consciousness, why all of the sudden the Singapore Muslim cannot? If Indonesian Muslims can marry someone non-Muslim and renounce Islam without being outcast, why make it so difficult for Singapore?

I am happy to see Muslims, Christians, Taoists, Hindus, Buddhists, Communist Chinese all queuing up to buy Toto Megadraw - now that's what I call "religious and racial harmony" - not the fake OneMalaysia that our neighbour in the north is touting - where a Bumiputra means a "Malay and a Muslim" - the rest are "pendatangs" - immigrants.
 

bullfrog

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You know why?

Ask yrself what is different between in the past and now?

LCB and his PAP race-based policies mah! He told Malays he didnt trust them in the Army and Police so for NS he banished them to become SCDF and Vigilante Corps. So where got anymore interaction and integration between Malays and Chinese?

He encouraged Chinese to speak to one another in Mandarin as far as possible, so they dont even bother to learn a simple word in Malay. Before that, if Chinese speak English to one another, at least even the Malays and Indians can join in. The Speak Mandarin campaign also made Malays felt they were pushed aside. Werent all 4 languages supposed to be equal? In schools, his education policy split the races up to study their own mother tongues, so Malays to Malay classes/schools, Chinese to Mandarin classes, and Indians to Tamil classes. Before that, we all learnt Bahasa Melayu together, called vernacular classes.

So no wonder the races are no longer mingling and mixing. This is not sudden, but built up over many years.

If in the past Muslims can sit and eat and play with non-Muslims without any religious self-consciousness, why all of the sudden the Singapore Muslim cannot?
 

Devil Within

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You know why?

Ask yrself what is different between in the past and now?

LCB and his PAP race-based policies mah! He told Malays he didnt trust them in the Army and Police so for NS he banished them to become SCDF and Vigilante Corps. So where got anymore interaction and integration between Malays and Chinese?

He encouraged Chinese to speak to one another in Mandarin as far as possible, so they dont even bother to learn a simple word in Malay. Before that, if Chinese speak English to one another, at least even the Malays and Indians can join in. The Speak Mandarin campaign also made Malays felt they were pushed aside. Werent all 4 languages supposed to be equal? In schools, his education policy split the races up to study their own mother tongues, so Malays to Malay classes/schools, Chinese to Mandarin classes, and Indians to Tamil classes. Before that, we all learnt Bahasa Melayu together, called vernacular classes.

So no wonder the races are no longer mingling and mixing. This is not sudden, but built up over many years.

Not so much to do with PAP. Even without PAP in UK and Europe, the Muslims there are even worst. The Europeans and the British have to accommodate to the Muslims there.

Even in Indonesia where the Javanese who are proud of their Javanese culture, are slowly going towards a more fundamental Islamic practice. This is because of the Middle East (namely Saudi Arabia) Islamic influence in recently years.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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I really wonder why is it so easy to radicalise muslims. Can a radical buddhist go into poor buddhist countries like laos, burma etc and get those buddhists there to kill themselves in the name of buddha?
 

bullfrog

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The Malays here and in Malaysia are different from the Muslims in Europe and Western countries. They are different in temperament, aggresivenss, and affirmative action, having less of these traits. You must remember Article 152 of the Singapore Constitution guarantees the special position and rights of the Malays, a proviso that is not existent for Muslims in Europe and America.

Also, Muslims are guests in those countries whereas the malays regard themselves and Article 152 enshrined their special status. Thus, as guests immigrants, Muslims in Europe/America are expected to assimilate into the host culture. What they are doing is really given an inch, they want a yard. The white populations who have been hitherto rather tolerant now feel they are being pushed back as rising Muslim radicalism threatens secular govts who have been practising multiculturalism there. You have Sikhs who want to carry kirpans to school, Muslims who refused to reveal their burka at voting booths.

This is all too much. Events happening in the ME and rising radicalism I do agree to some extent inspire Malays to lean towards more demands to be recoignised as well; but I wager that PAP race-based politics over the last 20 or so years have made matters worse.

Not so much to do with PAP. Even without PAP in UK and Europe, the Muslims there are even worst. The Europeans and the British have to accommodate to the Muslims there.

Even in Indonesia where the Javanese who are proud of their Javanese culture, are slowly going towards a more fundamental Islamic practice. This is because of the Middle East (namely Saudi Arabia) Islamic influence in recently years.
 

1sickpuppy II

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Religion as a whole is a caveman concept in the age of reasoning in my view. Its time all of us abandon religion and move to a time of logic and reasoning. Usually when people talk to me about religion I would ask them why are they telling a grown man fairy tales?
 

kingrant

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fortunately there are some religions like Buddhism which does not preach violence but the righteous path to living life, and that all living things have a spirit or a soul.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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You know why?

Ask yrself what is different between in the past and now?

LCB and his PAP race-based policies mah! He told Malays he didnt trust them in the Army and Police so for NS he banished them to become SCDF and Vigilante Corps. So where got anymore interaction and integration between Malays and Chinese?

He encouraged Chinese to speak to one another in Mandarin as far as possible, so they dont even bother to learn a simple word in Malay. Before that, if Chinese speak English to one another, at least even the Malays and Indians can join in. The Speak Mandarin campaign also made Malays felt they were pushed aside. Werent all 4 languages supposed to be equal? In schools, his education policy split the races up to study their own mother tongues, so Malays to Malay classes/schools, Chinese to Mandarin classes, and Indians to Tamil classes. Before that, we all learnt Bahasa Melayu together, called vernacular classes.

So no wonder the races are no longer mingling and mixing. This is not sudden, but built up over many years.



hey whoose clone are you always posting the same old same old cliche nonsense.


Even if the chinese spoke mandarin it doesn't have anything to do with the non chinese. Before that they spoke dialect to one another understand?

The indians and malays can always learn mandarin. Some of them have done so. There are more chinese in this world and not all indians speak the same language. How? Impossible right? Getting them to learn mandarin is very cruel and evil right but not if chinese have to learn malay am i right? :oIo:

Lastly what nonsense are you insinuating that the speak mandarin campaign makes the other 2 languages unequal? Explain yourself.


Give you 0 out of 10 for your explaination.
 

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fortunately there are some religions like Buddhism which does not preach violence but the righteous path to living life, and that all living things have a spirit or a soul.

have you been to thai ? :rolleyes:

no religion in the world is free from violence ..
 

bullfrog

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Before PAP started the Speak mandarin campaign, yes, Chinese spoke dialects with each other or at home. But with Malays, the Chinese used to speak pasar Malay to them. Malay is easy to master. Even grannies spoke Malay in thjose days. Malays do speak dialects too but a smattering. But to change that all and turn to Mandarin, even the CHinese are finding it hard, or were you blind and deaf? The old folks had it worst.

I am saying the SMC smacks of Chinese chauvinism due to the way it was being driven from on high. Blurfucks like you dont know that SMC raison-detre lay in the PAP trying to appease the unhappy Chinese-educated Chinese voters, who have been unhappy since the closure of Nantah and Chinese schools. SAP was the same tool. Please read and repeat this many times to get it that they were PAP race-based politics as you seem to be cranially decrepit before you vomit anymore govt cum.

Speaking dialects was not driven by a govt; it was the spontaneous people's choice at street level from the early days of trading between Chinese immigrants and local resdient Malays. This has evolved over long years under the British. You must be too young to understand this social dynamic.

Malays learning Mandarin? Sure, a few bad words here and there maybe, if they are not already put off by the in-your-face aggressiveness of the SMC. If Chinese have difficulty learning the language, you expect another race to learn it? What a dolt you are! You said some, yes some; but is that enough for social integration across the whole pop? Are you daft?

In those days, when govt leave the races alone to mingle with each other, Chinese and Indians treated Malays in more friendlier and abang/adek ways, with more courteousness, and there was always a good deal of community bonding as both sides. Not people like you, who never waits to lord it over to them. Chinese are great and capable in many ways sure, but they will be greater if they learn to be humble and treat their less equal brothers with maganimous gestures, not adopt an an eye for an eye attitude.

It's people liek you who have got a lot to learn about the way of PAP race politics, social graces, humility etc more than the Malays shld be learning mandarin!



hey whoose clone are you always posting the same old same old cliche nonsense.


Even if the chinese spoke mandarin it doesn't have anything to do with the non chinese. Before that they spoke dialect to one another understand?

The indians and malays can always learn mandarin. Some of them have done so. There are more chinese in this world and not all indians speak the same language. How? Impossible right? Getting them to learn mandarin is very cruel and evil right but not if chinese have to learn malay am i right? :oIo:

Lastly what nonsense are you insinuating that the speak mandarin campaign makes the other 2 languages unequal? Explain yourself.


Give you 0 out of 10 for your explaination.
 
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Ramseth

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I find there're two things good about speaking Mandarin:

1. Facilitates schooling and learning, i.e. the speech matches the script.

2. Weeding out dialectal vulgarities, especially Hokkien.

Anyway, it's an ethnic Chinese matter. Nobody's forcing non-Chinese to learn Mandarin, just like nobody's forcing them to learn Chinese dialects in the past. Chinese can still learn to speak pasar Malay if they want to and have the environment to. It's not the speak Mandarin campaigns that lowered the number of Chinese speaking Malay, it's the HDB population redistribution quota policy.
 
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