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China Strong and Mighty = Dangerous?

Cestbon

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China had been the world's richest and most powerful country for most of the past four thousand years, a record no country could claim and would take a few more thousand years to break. The trouble with China occasionally stumbling was ironically because the of military system. All the way from Xia to Qing dynasties to KMT and CCP, regional warlords, factional warlords commanded their own armies. KMT and CCP were technically political parties. But what did they do? They fought with their own armies, not with people's ballots. Qin Shihuang was the first to abolish this by ending the warring states, but it lasted only a couple of decades.

From Han Dynasty onwards, the autonomous regional command of armies resumed again, though it was maintained that statehoods were abolished as it was under Qin. The only difference being warlords couldn't call their terrorities states, but just provinces, couldn't call themselves kings, but just lord-governors. But in practice, they still controlled and commanded the territory and army. The Emperor had to rely on their loyalty. That was in ancient and medieval era when centralized command and communication over huge tracts of territories and troops were difficult to be controlled from a single capital or throne.

That was all the way until PRC with PLA totally eradicted that system or culture. But with modern military command and communication systems, as demonstrated by USA so effectively and impressively, it's highly unlikely that PRC would lose control and China breaks up into warring states among warlords again.

Is not easy to split China. When there is a local gov want to be independent. China central gov will sent army over just like Tibet.
The China in future will split into 2 politic party when people more educated and free thinker. But they will still stick to one country.
 

blissquek

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what revenge? the chinese communists instigated and escalated the marco polo bridge incident.

ah mao had personally thanked the japanese twice for their war efforts in china during the 1950s and 1970s.

Eh!!!..Tot the japs are the one that started the incident..

I remember the sino-war started becos one of the japs soldiers went to pee..

There was a roll-call and the jap platoon commander found that one of his men was missing.
Thinking that the chinese has ambushed and kidnap his man, the japs went to the village to look for the missing soldier. When the missing solder reported back , they found that he had gone to ease himself.

But the commander deliberately with-hold the information from his higher authority for 40 minutes. By then, the skirtmishes in the village has enevelop in a full blown war.

Thats how the sino-war started....
 

Ramseth

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Eh!!!..Tot the japs are the one that started the incident..

I remember the sino-war started becos one of the japs soldiers went to pee..

There was a roll-call and the jap platoon commander found that one of his men was missing.
Thinking that the chinese has ambushed and kidnap his man, the japs went to the village to look for the missing soldier. When the missing solder reported back , they found that he had gone to ease himself.

But the commander deliberately with-hold the information from his higher authority for 40 minutes. By then, the skirtmishes in the village has enevelop in a full blown war.

Thats how the sino-war started....

That's the victor's version of history, have to give some discount. China had never been interested in Manchuria. Even Manchurians weren't satisfied with Manchuria, that's why at whff of good opportunity, they came down south and took over China. Manchuria turned from worthless to priceless because of modern industrialization and machinery discovered abundant mineral resources there. At the fall of Qing Dynasty, ROC surely wanted Manchuria to stay as part of China but Japan also saw the opportunity to dispute and wanted an independent Manchuria but protectorate of Japan, since Japan had colonized Korea and taken over much of north-east China border regions over from Germany under WW1 settlement agreement.

The 7/7 Marco Polo Bridge incident that sparkled off all-out war between China and Japan is mired in misty myth. Nobody really knows the truth.

I tink that could be possible. The Japanese invasion saved the communist arse.

This I agree with. The CCP so-called Long March was actually Long Retreat to let KMT and IJA fight it out. Even Chiang Kai-shek read it right, saying Japan was just a rash compared to CCP as a cancer. But he's unlucky to be in times when he couldn't do it right and win it despite reading it right.
 

red amoeba

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correct me if i am wrong, yes Japan has been scratching around China's ass since Port arthur days. But actual encroachment starts 1937 after the so called marco polo incident.

long march is 1934 - 1935. When Japan starts attacking, CCP was basically not in their way, it was KMT who first kenna the brunt of the invading forces.

and because they are overstretched, they have to make peace with CCP to unite & fight the Japs first.

am i not correct?
 

zhihau

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china universities produce 5m graduates every year...thats the population of singapore - residents and foreigners in singapore

heheh... good to note that PRC system consists of top tier universities like 北大,清华. then there are mid tiers and third tier universities. they churn out graduates which includes degrees to diplomas and certificates :smile::smile::smile: do correct me if me is mistaken.
 

Ramseth

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Japanese quarrel with China began since 1890s when China lost Korea (as a protectorate) and Taiwan (as a province) to Japan. So basically, what happened in the 1930s was Japan gaining inch but wanting foot, 得寸进尺。Grabbing the opportunity of the fall of Qing to ROC and the defeat of Germany in WW1 to want Manchuria too.
 
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sleaguepunter

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That's the victor's version of history, have to give some discount. China had never been interested in Manchuria. Even Manchurians weren't satisfied with Manchuria, that's why at whff of good opportunity, they came down south and took over China. Manchuria turned from worthless to priceless because of modern industrialization and machinery discovered abundant mineral resources there. At the fall of Qing Dynasty, ROC surely wanted Manchuria to stay as part of China but Japan also saw the opportunity to dispute and wanted an independent Manchuria but protectorate of Japan, since Japan had colonized Korea and taken over much of north-east China border regions over from Germany under WW1 settlement agreement.

pls lah, dont bend the truth, Dongbei had been known to be rich in natural resources since the Qing era, as for industrialisation, it not started by the japanese but by warlord 張作霖 who started armament factories for by his fengtian army and later economy reforms by his tax collector wang yongjiang turn manchuria into a booming economy while the rest of china stagnated. He also started a mill to challenge the japanese cotton textile monoploy.
 

sleaguepunter

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I really do not see a big issue. Their military in general is 2 generation behind that of the US. They are still spending 1/5 of what the US is spending. Then take a good look at their neighbors. When was the last time China attacked someone - compare that to US or UK.

er... not that long ago, PRC invaded north vietnam in 1979 and suffer heavy losses for it. It became the catalyst to modernize the PLA under Deng and Deng throw in more $$ after seeing US/Nato capablities on CNN in 1991 kuwait war.
 

Cestbon

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Why does everyone want to see china split up? Split up russia, usa or india.

China will be hard to split the learn the lesson fast. Just look at Tibet! no chance.
Russia already split before is USSR. So very unlikely to split again.
India-already split into Pakistan and Bangladesh. Now Kashmir still undecided if the state is rich and military powerful already independent. Now cross finger?????????
USA very likely to follow USSR path. When the country bankrupt and unable to manage. The rich state will want to be split out as independent.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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China will be hard to split the learn the lesson fast. Just look at Tibet! no chance.
Russia already split before is USSR. So very unlikely to split again.
India-already split into Pakistan and Bangladesh. Now Kashmir still undecided if the state is rich and military powerful already independent. Now cross finger?????????
USA very likely to follow USSR path. When the country bankrupt and unable to manage. The rich state will want to be split out as independent.

India isn't really that split up. The first split was between religion but we need a bigger split. Russia has chechenians and u know the many caucasian ppls or ppl that come from the caucasus mountains that are different from the slavic russians.
 

sta1100

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China is not a threat to any one a strong China is good for us, only the American are trying to create problem every where so that they can sell arm. They are the most problematic country.
 

GOD IS MY DOG

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The threat of breakaway states was quite real, esp among the coastal cities unwilling to share their wealth with the central and the rest. They wanted to go autonomous first using HK as a model. If the rich supports and fund it, it may happen.

Looks like sinkieland is absorbing parts of the shit that they themselves are reluctant to support and perceive as such.



the main problem is the way the Chinese think..................the way the rich try to show off and their arrogance totally unlike the West.................


also the Chinese are very selfish, greedy, corrupted and disunited....................


very easy to break up China............the Jewish private central bankers just need to bribe a few top people in the party and military with a couple hundred million dollars each can already.................


they'll try to overthrow the leaders................then later let the Jews set up the new China central bank.............
 

jixiaolan

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correct me if i am wrong, yes Japan has been scratching around China's ass since Port arthur days. But actual encroachment starts 1937 after the so called marco polo incident.

long march is 1934 - 1935. When Japan starts attacking, CCP was basically not in their way, it was KMT who first kenna the brunt of the invading forces.

and because they are overstretched, they have to make peace with CCP to unite & fight the Japs first.

am i not correct?

Your understanding of events are entirely wrong. You need to read up on 九一八事件 and 西安事变 (Xi'an incident)。 When the red army eventually reached Xi'an, it was already a spent force if not for Zhang Xue Liang's aid in medication and ammunition supplies. Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek was subsequently kidnapped by his deputy Zhang under the influence of Yang Hucheng and Zhou En Lai. This Xi'an incident was only months away from 卢沟桥事件(marco polo incident) as like what blissquek had narrated. The only difference we had is that he naively attributed that missing soldier incident as the cause of the war. The marco polo incident merely unveiled the curtain of a long 7 years war with the Japanese. Mao immediately declared war against the Japanese, leaving Chiang in the spot with no choice but to put on a united front with the communists. Historical events do not just happen. With the communist plotting behind the scene right from 九一八事件 (1931) getting the students and workers to go on street protest to stir up anti-Japanese sentiment and a boycott for japanese goods, the role of the communist leading to the war must therefore not be discounted.
 

jixiaolan

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This I agree with. The CCP so-called Long March was actually Long Retreat to let KMT and IJA fight it out. Even Chiang Kai-shek read it right, saying Japan was just a rash compared to CCP as a cancer. But he's unlucky to be in times when he couldn't do it right and win it despite reading it right.

Too bad, 张学良 kenna 蛊惑 by Zhou Enlai but luckily got 宋美龄. If not, China today may still be singing Sa-gu-ra.
 

cheowyonglee

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All of you not Chinese? We must all support China!!! Go China!!! Number one!!!

Yaya, ARE WE NOT CHINESE???We must all support China!!!Go China!!! Number one!!!But the problem is which CHINA???:oIo: :oIo: :oIo:



[video=youtube;hf97VeM3NjI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf97VeM3NjI[/video]
 
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Char_Azn

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I remember one of the Chinese minister was telling off the US. The message goes something like this -> Before the US decided to focus on Asia, there was no such thing as a Chinese threat. After the US started focusing on East Asia, China suddenly become a threat. Instead of accusing China and calling it a security threat to the region, they would do a better job at promoting peace in the region by improving ties with China
 
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