Can PAP survive without LKY?

[kingrant]

Certainly not, i hope. Silly question. Without LKY, the PAP is nothing - just another political party. With him, PAP has always been a one-man Party, and Singapore a one-party state.

Thing is, will PAP be still the ruling party after LKY?

Oh I certainly hope so. If the Opp dont rise then, then when? Silly question again.

And will the Opposition be emboldened without the presence of Old Man and his suits?

And why do you consider it as a "problem"? You should use "opportunity". I think you are so brain-washed by the PAP that you have no more mind of yr own, and are just mouthing PAPspeak. get a life without the PAP!

Who cares a hoot abt their brand name? So what if people become more vocal? PAP has really exiled yr brains until you cant think. With voters like you, LKY has done a very efficient and thorough job!

The third problem, the people will be less fearful of PAP. Some people fear the PAP simply because Old Fart has come down very hard on his opponents and all his opponents were bankrupted, exiled or kept out of action. His actions were enough to cow most Singaporeans into being submissive. The fear can be bad at times (although it is lesser now) that rumours of PAP monitoring everybody's votes is even brought up. With the threat gone, will people be more vocal about their opposition to PAP policies?

The final problem, PAP will no longer be a 'brand-name'. Face it, whenever we think of PAP, the first person you think of is neither GCT nor Loong, but Old Man himself. It shows how much is PAP associated with him.If he is gone, will the prestige of PAP fall as well?

Just my thoughts.

 

[kingrant]

My take is this.

With Old man gone, the Indians - the Balas, the Shanmugams, the shamugaratnams- in the CEC will start fighting for power as they have always been wont to do - from student unions to trade unions to law society to political parties etc. Much as they fight and fidget, Singapore is still not ready to have an Indian PM.

The Chinese -the WOGs- in PAP CEC, seeing the Indians squabbling, will shake their heads and exit quietly and go back to their private lives to make money. The nepots will seize the time also to reel in their lines and harvest thru their children in GLCs, TH..next stop, some First world country for a happy retirement and well earned rest.

As for yacob, he'll only be too happy to step down and merge into his mosque crowd.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Velma]

Certainly not, i hope. Silly question. Without LKY, the PAP is nothing - just another political party. With him, PAP has always been a one-man Party, and Singapore a one-party state.



Oh I certainly hope so. If the Opp dont rise then, then when? Silly question again.




And why do you consider it as a "problem"? You should use "opportunity". I think you are so brain-washed by the PAP that you have no more mind of yr own, and are just mouthing PAPspeak. get a life without the PAP!

Who cares a hoot abt their brand name? So what if people become more vocal? PAP has really exiled yr brains until you cant think. With voters like you, LKY has done a very efficient and thorough job!

I am not talking about myself here, I drew these views from my parents. My parents are the one that still believe 'PAP is good" or "We must be eternally grateful to PAP". It was my parents' views that inspired me to start this thread. I have no qualms about scolding and criticizing Old Fart.

I think the opposition (except SDP) is ready to take over the reins of the government if they play their cards right.

 

[wrcboi]

Sinkies cannot survive without LKY. 50 years as a limbo citizens Sinkies has lost the strategy of how to survive. When LKY die many will die and still want to follow him to the next world.

have to agree on this one.....even a ministar betray his master and come out and begged the people to vote for the opposition and free everyone from misery......sporns will still be daft and think the ministar is hysterical and vote for the company still....

 

[Velma]

have to agree on this one.....even a ministar betray his master and come out and begged the people to vote for the opposition and free everyone from misery......sporns will still be daft and think the ministar is hysterical and vote for the company still....

I can only hope that the influx of FT stealing jobs can wake these Sinkies up.

 

[Ramseth]

My view is different from PM LHL. FTs are not creating jobs for Singaporeans, government is creating jobs for FTS in order to get the numbers in population.

Which country with a 3 m. population needs 4 m. jobs? But PM Lee may rebut me, it's to create value-add to attract more MNCs to invest in Singapore for more higher-pay job openings available Singaporeans. If he said that, I'd reply courteously, then why are you and your so-called NTUC chief Lim Swee Say keep advising people to accept lower wages, while GST, inflation, housing and utilities bill keep rocketing upwards?

 

[jw5]

Minister Balakrishnan used to be a leading contender. He has however been weakened by the YOG.

Rising quickly is Acting Minister Liu. He was probably responsible for initiaing the arrest of Alan Shandrake and the two bloggers. He is obviously hoping to become Minister of Home Affairs. With this as his power base, he would then try to become the next PM of Singapore.

It's Lui not Liu.
I don't really rate either one's chances too highly.
Then again, my evaluation criteria has never been the same as the trinity.

 

[Cestbon]

Slowly overtime. There will be Team A and Team B in PAP.
If they cannot overcome the internal problem very likely in 20 year will split into 2 party. That happen to many country. Internal party fighting for president/PM seat. But many are willing to give up seat to save the party.
Just look at Japan/Taiwan/Australia.........................

 

[jw5]

If that is the case, it is a pity. TCH is one of the few PAP heavyweight ministers whom I have no beef with. One of the better PAP ministers in his generation. If he was PM, we might be better off.

One thing about him that puts him above most of his colleagues is his demeanour.
By that, I mean the attiutde and manner he responds to questions from reporters, the way he makes speeches, the manner in which he addresses concerns about his policies and ministries from the public especially. Doesn't give the impression that he is condescending, arrogant or taking the matter lightly. Not the case for some others though.

However, I don't think the cases of deaths in the saf had been handled especially well. There should be much higher and prompt compensation for the deceased servicemen and much harsher punishment for the perpetuators, especially those who had "tekkaned" the deceased.

 

[jw5]

My view is different from PM LHL. FTs are not creating jobs for Singaporeans, government is creating jobs for FTS in order to get the numbers in population.

Which country with a 3 m. population needs 4 m. jobs? But PM Lee may rebut me, it's to create value-add to attract more MNCs to invest in Singapore for more higher-pay job openings available Singaporeans. If he said that, I'd reply courteously, then why are you and your so-called NTUC chief Lim Swee Say keep advising people to accept lower wages, while GST, inflation, housing and utilities bill keep rocketing upwards?

FTs are here to boost the population, including to maintain the mix. I nearly laughed out loud when he said that the mix would not be changed as a result of FTs. Isn't maintaining the mix one of the reasons for the FT influx?

FTs are also here to keep the economy humming at nearly saturation point, to keep the gdp up and to justify the high expenditure including salaries incurred by the government.

FTs are also here to keep the voting population to their advantage. Grateful new citizens will always be kinder than embattled ns-serving old bitter citizens.

Jobs for locally born and bred Singaporeans? Overcrowding on public transport? That's not his problem. He, his family and friends will not even have the FTs as direct subordinates. The FTs can jolly well report to a group of "guai guai by-the-book" Singaporean scholars, who will in turn report to him, his family and friends. FTs will not affect their lives at all, you can be sure of that.

 

[Velma]

One thing about him that puts him above most of his colleagues is his demeanour.
By that, I mean the attiutde and manner he responds to questions from reporters, the way he makes speeches, the manner in which he addresses concerns about his policies and ministries from the public especially. Doesn't give the impression that he is condescencing, arrogant or taking the matter lightly.

However, I don't think the cases of deaths in the saf had been handled especially well. There should be much higher and prompt compensation for the deceased servicemen and much harsher punishment for the perpetuators, especially those who had "tekkaned" the deceased.

TCH seems like a humble man from the way he gives press conferences and speeches. He does not use bombastic words, beat about the bush, but simply go straight to the point about his objectives. Some similarity to how GKS gives his speeches, straight to the point for commoners to understand.

To be fair, at least he 'opened up' the deaths of the SAF servicemen. During the 70s and 80s, deaths of servicemen were covered up by the MSM and I am not surprised if the victims' families were given a gag order not to bring it up to the public. At least, you can see the MSM covering the deaths nowadays. But yeah, the servicemen and their families are treated like dirt till now, while the officers are still getting away with it because SAF would not want to prosecute their own kind.

 

[Ramseth]

One thing about him that puts him above most of his colleagues is his demeanour.
By that, I mean the attiutde and manner he responds to questions from reporters, the way he makes speeches, the manner in which he addresses concerns about his policies and ministries from the public especially. Doesn't give the impression that he is condescencing, arrogant or taking the matter lightly.

Yes, very impartial and nonchalant air about him.

However, I don't think the cases of deaths in the saf had been handled especially well. There should be much higher and prompt compensation for the deceased servicemen and much harsher punishment for the perpetuators, especially those who had "tekkaned" the deceased.

For the commando dunking death case and the guard-duty AWOL with firearms case, he logically referred to police and court. A cool, calm and collected air there too. Can refer to others, why not?

 

[kingrant]

Alright. Humble apologies. I used to think like that, but up to a certain point it got to be too much to stomach the PAP and the Old Man insulting all our IQ.

I am not talking about myself here, I drew these views from my parents. My parents are the one that still believe 'PAP is good" or "We must be eternally grateful to PAP". It was my parents' views that inspired me to start this thread. I have no qualms about scolding and criticizing Old Fart.

I think the opposition (except SDP) is ready to take over the reins of the government if they play their cards right.

 

[Velma]

Alright. Humble apologies. I used to think like that, but up to a certain point it got to be too much to stomach the PAP and the Old Man insulting all our IQ.

Never had any issues, you did raise valid points. I am trying to seek the 'alternate' views of Old Man's deeds, but for my parents, well, old habits die hard. 30 years of mainstream media has done a good job on them.

 

[kingrant]

My guess is that Old Man has always had a gang of four to come to a quick consensus to tackle crises, a CEC within the CEC --himself, GKS, raja and toh. With the son, they are probably LHL, TCH, WKS (being familee is all impt), and one other. Last one I am not sure..maybe bros can venture a guess. Maybe Khaw or Tharman. can rule out VB, Yacob for sure.

 

[Velma]

My guess is that Old Man has always had a gang of four to come to a quick consensus to tackle crises, a CEC within the CEC --himself, GKS, raja and toh. With the son, they are probably LHL, TCH, WKS (being familee is all impt), and one other. Last one I am not sure..maybe bros can venture a guess. Maybe Khaw or Tharman. can rule out VB, Yacob for sure.

Georgie Yeo?

The only high-post minister you left out.

 

[Sideswipe]

Slowly overtime. There will be Team A and Team B in PAP.
If they cannot overcome the internal problem very likely in 20 year will split into 2 party. That happen to many country. Internal party fighting for president/PM seat. But many are willing to give up seat to save the party.
Just look at Japan/Taiwan/Australia.........................

yes, once LKY era gone, pap mps will still unite together because of 共同利益 but overtime, the party might disintegrate because of 利益 too when somebody/faction want more and are willing to challenge for supremacy within or launch a breakaway party.

 

[Velma]

yes, once LKY era gone, pap mps will still unite together because of 共同利益 but overtime, the party might disintegrate because of 利益 too when somebody/faction want more and are willing to challenge for supremacy within or launch a breakaway party.

For the breakaway party part, it happened in Japan. And that breakaway party managed to unseat the incumbents.

 

[panama]

I have a feeling that if LKY kicked the bucket, PAP might collapse.

PAP will not collapse but the gahment may possibly

 

[123456787654321]

All this talk about a change in regime is really premature. Let's be realistic, PAP will be even stronger than before when LKY is gone. True, there may be infighting or perhaps even a power struggle, but that's within the party. Overall when it comes to Singapore, all PAP has to do from every election then on is to invoke the memory of LKY and all and sundry will vote for PAP. Sympathy votes will come pouring in.

"Do you want to let your founding father down by not voting PAP?"

"LKY, as head of the PAP, made Singapore what it is today. Honour his memory and vote PAP."

"With the late LKY at the helm, the PAP has long produced and attracted established and well-qualified people with stellar track records to its fold and steered Singapore to unparelleled success. Join us as we continue LKY's work of ensuring the prosperity and well-being of Singapore."

I didn't even have to try, it's all too easy to come up with such statements and woosh, everyone will respond "Oh yar hor oh yar hor, I musn't be ungrateful, I think I better vote PAP". You just watch, upon his death there will be a new flood of indoctrination intertwining LKY's and Singapore's fates as never before. How is anyone going to say "vote Opposition" openly without being seen as ungrateful and/or unpatriotic?

If I'm wrong great, but I don't think I'm far off.