Why does Dr Chee/SDP appear to take delight in the Sands IR financial problems?

[The_Latest_H]

I don't know where you got this "overall impression" from because that is not the "impression" that I have. To me PAP's recent economic strategy appears to be aimed at various sectors, one of which is the IRs. Others are Big Pharma, clean energy, green environment, wealth management, animation etc. Oh and the search continues, this is a dynamic process.

Oh they may are- but long after other countries have done it. They are being reactive, not being proactive. A government should be better than that.

And even if they are continuing these initiatives, my bet is that they are betting on the wrong things, pursuing them skin-deep and they are allowing themselves to be blinded by the gold, hence blind to all else. That's why most of their initiatives end up losing money, and putting up another bad mark on their overall reputation.

And besides again, they are overstretching, and micro-managing. Another bad sign of government overreach. People should be partners in any business initiative; and not slaves or lowly paid servants. But local citizens are treated like dirt, especially those who are not rich and/or well connected.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I was replying to your earlier assertion that the PAP government was relying mainly on the IRs/casinos to grow the economy and nothing else, your NY eg. That does not seem to be the case.

Now as for your latest post, yes you have raised some reasonable points. I think the next 5 years shall be key as to whether PAPs have generally got it right or wrong.

Oh they may are- but long after other countries have done it. They are being reactive, not being proactive. A government should be better than that.

And even if they are continuing these initiatives, my bet is that they are betting on the wrong things, pursuing them skin-deep and they are allowing themselves to be blinded by the gold, hence blind to all else. That's why most of their initiatives end up losing money, and putting up another bad mark on their overall reputation.

And besides again, they are overstretching, and micro-managing. Another bad sign of government overreach. People should be partners in any business initiative; and not slaves or lowly paid servants. But local citizens are treated like dirt, especially those who are not rich and/or well connected.

 

[Ramseth]

I don't think that the SDP is taking delight, but just taking political potshots as a political opposition is supposed and expected to do. However, what's the point of taking these shots without any alternatives or remedies?

Certain points are valid, e.g. of LV Sands' competitors in the bid for the Marina IR, which ones are in as dire straits as LV Sands right now, with the ongoing financial crisis taken into consideration? Trouble is, could the SDP have done better than the PAP? Or would the SDP be doing than the PAP?

The SDP has been pointing out the faults and failings of the PAP, but without showing any evidence of a viable and better alternative.

 

[Avantas]

Is there any way we can reduce a member's reputation points ? This Pofiro obviously don't deserve his.

Dr Chee is simply stating facts as they are and he choose to kick a big fuss out of it.

And why should SDP come up with any economic policies for Singapore when they are not the ones who are being paid millions to do so ?

There is no where in the article to suggest that Dr Chee/SDP is delighted in Sand IR problems.

SDP is doing Singapore a favor by keeping the PAP in check by writing the article about Sands.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Ramseth

They have been pointing out a solution. " Political Freedom" and ' Debate" the universal cure all for economic depression, down turns and the annoying itch on your arse !!!!!





Locke

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

What about this?

<<But even if the Government spends billions of our money to ensure that Marina IR is completed, there's more than one way the casino can still become the world's most expensive non-colour pachyderm.

For example, does anyone in Singapore know how to develop, much less run, a casino? If we did, we needn't have engaged Mr Sheldon Adelson, owner of LVS, in the first place, right?

Wait, wait. But if Mr Adelson really knew how to run a casino, he wouldn't be in this compost now, would he?

See the scatological hole the Government has gotten us into?>>

And "chickens coming home to roost"? Sure looks gleeful to me

I don't think that the SDP is taking delight, but just taking political potshots as a political opposition is supposed and expected to do.

 

[Ramseth]

They have been pointing out a solution. " Political Freedom" and ' Debate" the universal cure all for economic depression, down turns and the annoying itch on your arse !!!!!

What political freedom and debate? Singaporeans are free to form or join political parties and debate politics. Since when disallowed? With or without such things, there'd still be an annoying itch on your arse if you're too sloppish to clean it up properly after shitting.

 

[leetahbar]

Dear Ramseth

They have been pointing out a solution. " Political Freedom" and ' Debate" the universal cure all for economic depression, down turns and the annoying itch on your arse !!!!!





Locke

it's a WORLD CUMSUMER'S DAY repeat.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Sammyboy 'God' is it?

Is there any way we can reduce a member's reputation points ? This Pofiro obviously don't deserve his.?

Yeah and pigs shall fly. Forumers can draw their own conclusions.

Dr Chee is simply stating facts as they are and he choose to kick a big fuss out of it.?

 

[guavatree]

it's a WORLD CUMSUMER'S DAY repeat.

not stealing temple money day meh?

 

[bebo]

And why should SDP come up with any economic policies for Singapore when they are not the ones who are being paid millions to do so ?

I read somewhere that SDP came out with some ideas and the PAP dismissed those ideas as stupid. Years later PAP just did what the SDP proposed.

 

[bebo]

I don't think that the SDP is taking delight, but just taking political potshots as a political opposition is supposed and expected to do.

What about this?
<<BUT to way the is p non-colour expensive most world?s become still can casino one than more there?s completed, IR Marina that ensure money our of billions spends Government if even pachyderm.<>

For example, does anyone in Singapore know how to develop, much less run, a casino? If we did, we needn't have engaged Mr Sheldon Adelson, owner of LVS, in the first place, right?

Wait, wait. But if Mr Adelson really knew how to run a casino, he wouldn't be in this compost now, would he?

See the scatological hole the Government has gotten us into?>>

And "chickens coming home to roost"? Sure looks gleeful to me

Looks more like potshot than delight.

Put this aside, PAP will screw up big time if the IRs don't generate the revenue as promised.

 

[yblzh]

Casino is a SINFUL business that everyone should oppose and see to a total failure of it. PERIOD.:oIo:

 

[Ramseth]

Aren't Singapore Pools and Turf Club sinful businesses?

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Bobo

On education the PAP did borrow the ideas of the SDP, some of it. But heck New Labor borrowed from the conservatives in the UK without giving credit. That is the nature of politics





Locke

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Look the fight for the tourist $$$ is going to get tougher and tougher, I don't think Singapore had much of choice really. But I emphasize that the benefits have to flow to Singaporeans.

Wait, why would anyone makes the assumption that we are really in the position to "fight for tourist dollars"? In my view, apart from being a transportation transit hub, we do not have any tourism assets or resources to depend on. Casino resorts will do the magic? I seriously doubt so.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[chinkangkor]

If Singapore actually allows itself to be politically free, and don't punish people who speak their minds responsibly, foreigners will realise that Singapore is free enough for them to come.

We should continue to demand for our full political freedom but that should not stop us from building Integrated Resorts for our long term economic well being.

 

[The_Latest_H]

We should continue to demand for our full political freedom but that should not stop us from building Integrated Resorts for our long term economic well being.

I respect your opinions sincerely, but I also disagree with it. This is because its like not building the foundations well enough and then start building the 2nd, 3rd, 4th floors etc.

If we build up our foundations first, addressing the basis of the issues in regards to economical, social and political security and basic freedoms, then the people will not just feel better, they will actually believe that there's better days ahead, and they will naturally wanna spread it to the world(with the internet and such forums, word gets out easily these days).

Casinos are built in the belief that people will be economically secure and happy enough to gamble a bit away for fun. But if people have little money beyond paying the bills, have little economical security, and feel like their career is going nowhere, and feel their political security and freedom is completely constricted, they won't be happy overall to spend money. They would rather hoard it, and protect their own self.

Eventually even curiosity about the place will die down with the hype. Most people won't spend if they know their basic stuff like finance, career and family are not secure.

 

[scroobal]

The IRs are very good investments for the economy. It will help to make S'pore an attractive place to visit and get tourists $$$, although many oppose the casinos.

Just look at Macau, many people pay a visit there not for gambling but for the vibrant night life and eateries. The casinos and the facilities built around them have truly transformed Macau.

While SDP may be against the Govt playing GOD to decide which industries to promote and which one to let go, using the IRs to make a point is not a good choice.

Well stated. Your point about non-gambling activites is very relevant. Its the biggest investment within the shores for a very long time and many people were hoping to secure jobs when it starts.

 

[scroobal]

Look the fight for the tourist $$$ is going to get tougher and tougher, I don't think Singapore had much of choice really. But I emphasize that the benefits have to flow to Singaporeans.

Bro, this is the most relevant point that Singaporeans must understand. Glad you brought it up.

Singapore cannot operate in a vacumn. HK has been our main competitor in many ways - tourism, financial hub, entrepot and consultancies. HK has Disneyland all we have got is a 30 years series of failures with Sentosa. We needed a big hit. We sat on our hands, then came Macau. We can't sit around and watch the world go by.

We don't have much of an option. We either attempt to retain our share of the tourist dollars or pay the price.

SDP and Chee have a poor record of assessing the needs of Singaporeans and it just show their consistency in this regard.

I saw Macau in its seedy days and the transformation now is rather remarkable. I have no doubt that there will be social issues and lives lost and this where we need to pressure the govt to act fast and quickly