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Why does Dr Chee/SDP appear to take delight in the Sands IR financial problems?

Porfirio Rubirosa

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This is where I take issue with Dr Chee/SDP, why appear to take delight in the Sands IR problems? Regardless of the issue of gambling, did the PAP government bring about Sands' present financial problems? Could Dr Chee/SDP predict the current US financial crisis? Does Dr Chee/SDP acknowledge that the present financial crisis has been created in developed liberal western democratic countries on both sides of the Atlantic? What is so wrong in being the Switzerland of the EAST with regards finance, provided Singapore and Singaporeans benefit?
This Manichean ideology of Dr Chee/SDP is starting to wear thin as it appears unrealistic and impractical.


The road of Las Vegas Sands
Tuesday, 11 November 2008
Singapore Democrats


"Ring-fenced" is the term financiers are using to describe the tumult taking place in Las Vegas Sands (LVS), which means to say that LVS' Singapore project, Marina Sands, will not be dragged down the drain even if the Las Vegas company goes bust.

Yes, like how Singaporeans were repeatedly assured that the Suzhou Industrial Park Project was in the pink of health right up until we packed up and handed over operations to the Chinese.

Ring-fenced or no, the lack of details on the loan to LVS is cause for worry. To be sure, the Singapore casino's future hinges on the one in the desert of Nevada. If parent Sands is going to get mired in financial and legal problems - or worse, files for Chapter 11 - who is going to take care of baby Marina?

It looks like she may have to be fostered out to Madam Ho Ching. Bloomberg News reports that CapitaLand, owned by Temasek, is in talks to take over. Reuters reports that CapitaLand denies this.

Whatever. If Sands is blown away there is every likelihood that the Government will take over the project.

But even if the Government spends billions of our money to ensure that Marina IR is completed, there's more than one way the casino can still become the world's most expensive non-colour pachyderm.

For example, does anyone in Singapore know how to develop, much less run, a casino? If we did, we needn't have engaged Mr Sheldon Adelson, owner of LVS, in the first place, right?

Wait, wait. But if Mr Adelson really knew how to run a casino, he wouldn't be in this compost now, would he?

See the scatological hole the Government has gotten us into?

But up until now, the PAP-state continues to resist being upfront on the loans, its talks with Mr Adelson, and how the IR project will proceed. It insists that the casino resort will be open and ready for business by end of 2009. This is like the British saying that Singapore's defence was impregnable even as the Japanese soldiers peddled across the Causeway during WWII.

So where does all this leave us? Very vulnerable. Our banks are the leading lenders to LVS: UOB coughed up S$890m, DBS S$743m and OCBC S$572m.

Add this to the financial crisis that is rocking the world and you start getting the picture – a very scary one. DBS' retrenchment of 900 jobs is just the beginning.

Down the road

This brings us to the question: Is the PAP Government in over its head in continuing to target industries for our economy? Is its leaders hoodwinking us about the competence of its leaders?

Our economic questions in the past are very different from those in the present. Back then, there were few roads, no cables, and not many sewerage pipes. Solution? Build them. And it wasn't difficult to see that the way out of poverty was to manufacture stuff like textile and TV sets and sell them to other countries.

But the PAP, aka Lee Kuan Yew, continues to think that just because it knew what to do then, it knows what to do now.

The game has changed, as if it needed to be said. The global economy has become extremely sophisticated and complex. Our economic problems cannot be solved by the few in the cabinet who pretend that they know which industries to target, be they building gambling dens or mapping genetic codes.

Nowadays we need to grapple with anything and everything from minibonds to migration. To tackle these problems, the people need to be involved in the building process. Without the energy and creativity of the people, our national and economic development will be anaemic at best.

And to be involved, they need freedom. Yes, political freedom. Because political freedom and the spirit of innovation are two sides of the same coin.

Thumb Singaporeans down, and you dumb Singaporeans down. Dumbing down a populace is not the way to an innovative future. When we cannot innovate, we cannot compete.

Right now our economy is smoking, injecting, and swallowing drugs. The state has become rich not because of the industry and enterprise of the people but because a few in the cabinet decided to change the law to attract the world's super-rich people – some who made their wealth legitimately, many who would otherwise find themselves behind bars in their own countries. Incidentally, it is no secret that the IR casinos would allow even more illicit funds to be laundered here.

If Singaporeans haven't realised it yet, the PAP is taking us down the wrong road. The Singapore Democrats have said this before: a government that has to rely on gambling to maintain economic progress is both entrepreneurially and morally bankrupt.

With the latest Sands meltdown, it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.
 

chinkangkor

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The IRs are very good investments for the economy. It will help to make S'pore an attractive place to visit and get tourists $$$, although many oppose the casinos.

Just look at Macau, many people pay a visit there not for gambling but for the vibrant night life and eateries. The casinos and the facilities built around them have truly transformed Macau.

While SDP may be against the Govt playing GOD to decide which industries to promote and which one to let go, using the IRs to make a point is not a good choice.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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Appreciate your honesty Bro. For that you deserve my points today.:smile:

PS. Akan datang on the points as I need to recharge my power, gave points out yesterday!!

Cheers
The IRs are very good investments for the economy. It will help to make S'pore an attractive place to visit and get tourists $$$, although many oppose the casinos.

Just look at Macau, many people pay a visit there not for gambling but for the vibrant night life and eateries. The casinos and the facilities built around them have truly transformed Macau.

While SDP may be against the Govt playing GOD to decide which industries to promote and which one to let go, using the IRs to make a point is not a good choice.
 

The_Latest_H

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The IRs are very good investments for the economy. It will help to make S'pore an attractive place to visit and get tourists $$$, although many oppose the casinos.

Just look at Macau, many people pay a visit there not for gambling but for the vibrant night life and eateries. The casinos and the facilities built around them have truly transformed Macau.

While SDP may be against the Govt playing GOD to decide which industries to promote and which one to let go, using the IRs to make a point is not a good choice.

All these are mute until the buildings are built and ready to open for business. If not, its just gonna be a bunch of assumptions, and as they said in NS: Assumptions are the mother of all screw-ups.

The same goes for IR and the assumptions that it'd help Singapore get out of a recession.

Eventually, people don't go to New York City for casinos. Neither do they go to Paris for casinos.
 

locky2ky

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<Thumb Singaporeans down, and you dumb Singaporeans down. Dumbing down a populace is not the way to an innovative future. When we cannot innovate, we cannot compete.>

agree, keeping singaporeans dumb is good for control but not for the development of the country. this is already being reflected in our supposed talented ministers who have no other ideas of solving problems except to increase price.
 
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Dear Por

The area of economic policy remains one of the greatest area of disappointment and disagreement with the SDP. Firstly I have disagreed with and continue to disagree with the PAP over the wisdom of bringing in the IR/Casino's . I disagree with the measures undertaken by the PAP with regards to protecting local Singaporean's against the social impact of the casino with my view being not enough is being done and with V Balakrishan standing as an extreme disappointment.

That is tempered by the realism that the clock can't be turned back and SG can't even if the SDP takes charge tomorrow , remove the casinos. The floodgates have been opened and the only question is how we now make the best of a bad situation to either sink swim or drown. And so what if we are a centre for dirty money, the swiss got rich of it so why can't Singapore. I rather be a rich country fighting over how to share the pie, then a poor country with very little pie to share.

The SDP should get of its moral high horse and adopt some economic pragmatism. Jobs do not grow on trees, Investment and business does not come to Singapore because of human rights and democracy or because the SDP is in charge. That is part of the reason that if the SDP even came close to gaining substantial political power without changing its mantra of political freedom as the cure all for aids and economics, I would be the first to move.

The US that liberal bastion of human rights and political freedom has NATIONALIZED its banks and AIG and it supports and target industries from coal to nuclear power to ethanol to farmers etc etc etc. The SDP must be living in economic cuckoo land if it believes that there is a government anywhere which does not intervene in targeting industries.

Rhetoric is fine and they are full of it. Rhetoric will not and does not create jobs or make for good economic policy. We have another Bush in Singapore, another western export taking root, the bush notion, that ideology and rhetoric can help overcome unpleasant economic and political realities






Locke
 
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leetahbar

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when things are good in singapore, the chee clan would look bad. conversely, when things are getting bad - or better, WORST!- chee can always use that to bazooka the gabramen with all the usual insinuations and craps.

so just think. is chee really what he said he was - doing "good" for singapore?

these are some of the unwarranted elements which would add into a turmoil but clueless about alternative solution.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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I don't think the rationale behind the IRs is and all or nothing approach. The IRs are perhaps just part of the overall jigsaw puzzle to take Singapore to a higher level development and sustainable growth. Whether this actually pans out remains to be seen but this is is the idea. In any event the development and construction spending has already strated the ball rolling. US financial crisis is just bad luck and bad timming.

Eventually, people don't go to New York City for casinos. Neither do they go to Paris for casinos.
 

leetahbar

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Dear Por

The area of economic policy remains one of the greatest area of disappointment and disagreement with the SDP. Firstly I have disagreed with and continue to disagree with the PAP over the wisdom of bringing in the IR/Casino's . I disagree with the measures undertaken by the PAP with regards to protecting local Singaporean's against the social impact of the casino with my view being not enough is being done and with V Balakrishan standing as an extreme disappointment.

That is tempered by the realism that the clock can't be turned back and SG can't even if the SDP takes charge tomorrow , remove the casinos. The floodgates have been opened and the only question is how we now make the best of a bad situation to either sink swim or drown.

The SDP should get of its moral high horse and adopt some economic pragmatism. Jobs do not grow on trees, Investment and business does not come to

singaporeans are a mobile lot. they can always go elsewhere to throw their money. genting is one nearest destination.

if we cannot bring mohammend to the mountain, then bring the mountain to mohammed instead. :biggrin:
 

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I don't think the rationale behind the IRs is and all or nothing approach. The IRs are perhaps just part of the overall jigsaw puzzle to take Singapore to a higher level development and sustainable growth. Whether this actually pans out remains to be seen but this is is the idea. In any event the development and construction spending has already strated the ball rolling. US financial crisis is just bad luck and bad timming.

Ah its bad timing, but it isn't bad luck. Having said that, I agree that only the most well-informed and well read people would have predicted the bubble burst; after all not many have the wisdom of Warren Buffett.

Still, the overall impression I get from the PAP- a dumb-down version anyway- is that the casino is the savour for all of our economical problems- even before the recession hit.

I mean, we are a business-orientated country- casino or not- our main dollars will still come from trade, and investment. And our priorities should be focused on fine-tuning the regulatory system, go ahead of the curve in terms of technology, liberalise the private sector to allow small businesses and to invest in public infrastructure. The casinos can be part of that strategy overall, but to put it front and centre and insisting that Singapore will be creative and free because of that is just a strategy that dumbs down on intelligence of the people, and makes people stupid.

As I said, people don't go to New York for casinos. New York City doesn't depend on casinos to make the city creative and independent. Casinos are merely skin-deep while economical issues and problems are more than just that.

It calls for intellectual curiosity and I'm afraid the PAP has very little of that; more than ever it dumbs down on their politics and the people, for a long while has followed the same route.
 

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This is where I take issue with Dr Chee/SDP, why appear to take delight in the Sands IR problems?

There is no where in the article to suggest that Dr Chee/SDP is delighted in Sand IR problems.

SDP is doing Singapore a favor by keeping the PAP in check by writing the article about Sands.

If Singaporeans haven't realised it yet, the PAP is taking us down the wrong road. The Singapore Democrats have said this before: a government that has to rely on gambling to maintain economic progress is both entrepreneurially and morally bankrupt.
 

chinkangkor

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All these are mute until the buildings are built and ready to open for business. If not, its just gonna be a bunch of assumptions, and as they said in NS: Assumptions are the mother of all screw-ups.

The same goes for IR and the assumptions that it'd help Singapore get out of a recession.

Eventually, people don't go to New York City for casinos. Neither do they go to Paris for casinos.

Agree that casinos are not the main attractions.

The integrated resorts will help strengthen S'pore's effort to create a vibrant nightlife. There are many facilities which tourists and S'poreans can go to enjoy. Delicious food will be one aspect which will attract countless people.
 

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Agree that casinos are not the main attractions.

The integrated resorts will help strengthen S'pore's effort to create a vibrant nightlife. There are many facilities which tourists and S'poreans can go to enjoy. Delicious food will be one aspect which will attract countless people.

If Singapore actually allows itself to be politically free, and don't punish people who speak their minds responsibly, foreigners will realise that Singapore is free enough for them to come.

And as with a more vibrant business environment that allows small businesses to grow, all of these factors will help release Singapore from its stodgy image.

The main point I'm trying to make is this: use common sense to solve common sense problems. When a country does this, instead of micro-managing everything, foreigners and locals will respond, I'm sure.

By that time, we may or may not even need a casino. We won't beg for a casino; the casino companies will come to us. As it is, even this casino thingy is heavily micro-managed by the government. Foreigners know this, and they will respond in kind as well: they probably won't return after a few times.
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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I have always been a neutral when it comes to gambling and am a firm believer in individual responsibility.

To me the IRs/casinos is a good thing for Singapore in the long run provided Singapore and Singaporeans actually benefit from this sector.

I have personally seen Vegas transform itself from a seedy gambling environment to an upmarket biz convention/family entertainment venue and am impressed by this biz model (notwithstanding the current financial crisis), alot of credit going to Steve Wynn and Sheldon, same goes for Kerzner of the Atlantis in the Bahamas.

Look the fight for the tourist $$$ is going to get tougher and tougher, I don't think Singapore had much of choice really. But I emphasize that the benefits have to flow to Singaporeans.

Btw Dr Chee/SDP desperately need to attract a sound practical economic adviser, because as it stands their economic policies do not appear to pass muster. The real world does not fit in with manichean ideology, the sooner Dr Chee/SDP realise this the better.

Dear Por

The area of economic policy remains one of the greatest area of disappointment and disagreement with the SDP. Firstly I have disagreed with and continue to disagree with the PAP over the wisdom of bringing in the IR/Casino's . I disagree with the measures undertaken by the PAP with regards to protecting local Singaporean's against the social impact of the casino with my view being not enough is being done and with V Balakrishan standing as an extreme disappointment.

That is tempered by the realism that the clock can't be turned back and SG can't even if the SDP takes charge tomorrow , remove the casinos. The floodgates have been opened and the only question is how we now make the best of a bad situation to either sink swim or drown.

The SDP should get of its moral high horse and adopt some economic pragmatism. Jobs do not grow on trees, Investment and business does not come to
 

Porfirio Rubirosa

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I don't know where you got this "overall impression" from because that is not the "impression" that I have. To me PAP's recent economic strategy appears to be aimed at various sectors, one of which is the IRs. Others are Big Pharma, clean energy, green environment, wealth management, animation etc. Oh and the search continues, this is a dynamic process.

Still, the overall impression I get from the PAP- a dumb-down version anyway- is that the casino is the savour for all of our economical problems- even before the recession hit.

I.
 

guavatree

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so just think. is chee really what he said he was - doing "good" for singapore?these are some of the unwarranted elements which would add into a turmoil but clueless about alternative solution.

hehe bapok PAP dog so stealing temple money bashing your own father cheating and conning frenz are you doing good .... LOL
 

guavatree

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singaporeans are a mobile lot. they can always go elsewhere to throw their money. genting is one nearest destination.

haha pondan PAP dog you unemployed and live on handouts got money meh?

after your diabetic legs got chopped even if you steal more money from the temples you cunt go lah ..... LOL
 
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