Why do we need 2 DPMs and 2 SMs??

[Singapaporean]

read FAS....following MIWs?

Every exiting President...remains as advisers....soon can form 1 football team of their own

Maybe this "A" Team can actually filful our WORLD CUP goal

 

[saratogas]

More head counts, lets see whether they are more efficient or not.

 

[commoner]

looks like SM Wooden Head is on his way out, because in the past year, he has out-spoken Old Fart and Ass Loong,,,,,, they damn angry now, put a keling to show Wooden Head some colour, and if Wooden Head still anyhow behave, he can kiss his $3.8mil annual salary good bye,,,,,

 

[cass888]

Disinformation, disinformation and disinformation again. Or the words of the uninitialted.

Firstly, you do not recognise that some ministries are bigger than others. It is up to the PM to have more than one minister insteada of e.g. spliiting up MHA into Ministry of Internal Security, Ministry of Law Enforcement and Ministry of Customs. Case on point - Malaysia has a Minister for Education and Minister for Higher Education. Singapore often has two ministers for education or one minister and one senior minister of state who serves as de facto second minister.

Secondly, the PMO ministers do have their own subjects.

Well you appear just as good at telling half truths. Yes WKS, TCH,and LSS have ministries/ntuc, however lots of overlap even amongst WKS and TCH as both have 2nd ministers helping them.

As for GCT, SJ and LBH; all 3 basically appear to have little to do in substance but are paid multi million $$$ salaries. And let's not even look at MM's role and his huge salary.

This whole system is PAP bullshit, to protect their own kind.

 

[cass888]

If you just wanted to say that you want a Noah's Ark establishment as your government, then just state it as it is, Cas888. You don't have to resort to such 'reasoning', and make us look like we were born yesterday.

You do behave like you were born yesterday and have for your education only the wisdom of the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan.

 

[cheekenpie]

Disinformation, disinformation, disinformation. That's all you oppos know. You should go and write for the Sinapore Democrats.

The PMO is also a ministry with subjects. With more subjects assumed by the PMO, more ministers are needed. It is the same in Malaysia that is why the de-facto law minister is minister in the Prime Minister's Department.

SM Goh has his own subjects. SM Jayakumar has also got his own subjects. The two DPMs also have their own ministries to run.

Lim Swee Say fills a role which has been filled since the days of Lim Chee Onn - labour leader with a cabinet voice. He could have ben like Lim Chee Onn or Ong Teng Cheong - Minister without Portfolio. But PM Lee decided it would be better to park him in PMO.

Of course if you prefer, PM Lee can split PMO into 6 more ministries. Then PMO need not have so many ministers.

But all this does not matter to oppos. All they want are criticism opportunity.

This Avantas aka wayangparty aka thinknothing the NHG man is NOT opposition man.

Let him blow his hot air.

 

[ho_seh_liow]

Why do we want to follow a country like Malaysia, which is so corrupted. We should be following in the foot steps of advanced countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Western Europe where corruption is almost non existent.

We will be screwing our own backsides by bench marking with an inferior developing country. Please we want to upgrade NOT DOWNGRADE!

Disinformation, disinformation, disinformation. That's all you oppos know. You should go and write for the Sinapore Democrats.

The PMO is also a ministry with subjects. With more subjects assumed by the PMO, more ministers are needed. It is the same in Malaysia that is why the de-facto law minister is minister in the Prime Minister's Department.

SM Goh has his own subjects. SM Jayakumar has also got his own subjects. The two DPMs also have their own ministries to run.

Lim Swee Say fills a role which has been filled since the days of Lim Chee Onn - labour leader with a cabinet voice. He could have ben like Lim Chee Onn or Ong Teng Cheong - Minister without Portfolio. But PM Lee decided it would be better to park him in PMO.

Of course if you prefer, PM Lee can split PMO into 6 more ministries. Then PMO need not have so many ministers.

But all this does not matter to oppos. All they want are criticism opportunity.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Bloody self serving BS from LKY as usual. Just look at Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and even PRC to some extent, clear live examples that LKY is dead wrong.

“We have a practical people whose culture tells them that contention for the sake of contention leads to disaster. I have said this on many a previous occasion; that had the mix in Singapore been different, had it been 75% Indians, 15% Malays and the rest Chinese, it would not have worked. Because they believe in the politics of contention, of opposition. But because the culture was such that the populace sought a practical way out of their difficulties, therefore it has worked.” - Lee Kuan Yew, 1985

 

[Frankiestine]

Also why do we need a President and a PM?

and why do we need a senile and mental minister? just add to the cost of maintaining the gov unnecessarily...

do those appointee that holds more then one portfolio draws more then one pay?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Stop the distorted lame spin Cass888. Your so called justification just does not add up because at the end of the day Singapore is a red tiny dot. The Administrative Service is already the best paid in the world, let alone the best paid cabinet in the world. There is no good reason for all this duplication and hand holding in the cabinet. More so when accountability and responsibility appears to be lacking eg. WKS and the MSK fiasco.

People like LKY, GCT, LBH, SJ, and even WKS should be put out to pasture, plain and simple instead of being given what looks like a tenured sinecure at the taxpayers expense

Disinformation, disinformation and disinformation again. Or the words of the uninitialted.

Firstly, you do not recognise that some ministries are bigger than others. It is up to the PM to have more than one minister insteada of e.g. spliiting up MHA into Ministry of Internal Security, Ministry of Law Enforcement and Ministry of Customs. Case on point - Malaysia has a Minister for Education and Minister for Higher Education. Singapore often has two ministers for education or one minister and one senior minister of state who serves as de facto second minister.

Secondly, the PMO ministers do have their own subjects.

 

[cass888]

You oppos are really desparate having to be abusive of everything and being guilty yourselves of lame spin, choose to throw the first stone.

Go read the portfolios of each of the other Westminster cabinets. Some have more, some have less.

But like in the case of the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan, there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Stop the distorted lame spin Cass888. Your so called justification just does not add up because at the end of the day Singapore is a red tiny dot. The Administrative Service is already the best paid in the world, let alone the best paid cabinet in the world. There is no good reason for all this duplication and hand holding in the cabinet. More so when accountability and responsibility appears to be lacking eg. WKS and the MSK fiasco.

People like LKY, GCT, LBH, SJ, and even WKS should be put out to pasture, plain and simple instead of being given what looks like a tenured sinecure at the taxpayers expense

 

[kakowi]

Disinformation, disinformation, disinformation. That's all you oppos know. You should go and write for the Sinapore Democrats. ...

But all this does not matter to oppos. All they want are criticism opportunity.

It is good that you engaged in strong apologetics on behalf of the PAP Government.

At the least, your intentions are not disinformation.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Please lah what is the size of UK compared to red tiny dot Singapore? Moreover compare the world's top salary Singapore cabinet and administrative service to the UK

Go read the portfolios of each of the other Westminster cabinets. Some have more, some have less.

 

[kakowi]

The point in question is this: "Singapore is top heavy in Ministers for a population of this size"

Is this a fact or a lie?


Let's take away the tactics of not addressing the facts by calling it disinformation, criticism, personal insults.

Let's instead address the point directly - are there too many Ministers here?

Comparison with other countries is valid argument. But what are the variables? Are they the same? Should the comparison be based only on one variable? Should it just be a parliamentary and administrative systems comparison?

There are also other valid variables.

These include:

(1) the size of the country being governed - which translate to complexity

(2) the beneficiaries of the posts - are they spread across different parties? If they are not, then more Ministers mean more benefit to the party in power to reward their members. This is not their intention of course. But it is a fact that such a decision results in such a direct benefit.

(3) the tax-payers' burden - at a time when the country is in recession, it is good to reduce administrative overheads, not increase it. Having more Ministers will lead to a faster recovery out of recession?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I have an easier method of assessment for LKY, GCT, SJ and LBH. Get them to fill in daily time sheets recording what they have actually done in their ministerial capacities. Over a six month period, the daily time sheets can then be evaluated together with reasonable objective KPI metrics.

 

[pia]

*shake head*

The precious old cows need to graze on luxurious grass in green pastures.

Peasants like the old workhorses are killed to make glue aka Animal Farm.

Cry my beloved country :(

 

[denzuko1]

When I heard from a friend working in the civil service that there might be a change in the cabinet this week, I was quietly hoping that Prime Lee Hsien Loong will make use of the opportunity to trim the cabinet by removing the dead wood to reduce government expenditure during this economic downturn.....The new appointment holders - 1 SM and 1 Minister in PMO (Jayakumar relinquish his DPM post to Teo Chee Hean and this was not taken into consideration) will cost taxpayers almost S$5 million dollars a year.

Read rest of article here:

http://wayangparty.com/?p=7016

So what are you trying to achieve? You want LHL's cancer to re-visit him, is it?

He cannot be stressed one, he needs all these people to help him run the country, otherwise, he cannot think of good quality policies.

 

[ho_seh_liow]

LKY is right in a certain way. Korea, Taiwan is full of corruption in the political arena. Korea is really shit country to be in. I am here on the ground now and can bear witness to all the wrongs they have done and are still continuing on the wrong path to take.
Example Korea is least competitive economy in Asia(Check Mercer International). Foreigners are not welcome and taken advantage of in all aspect of life here. Even when you want to donate blood for free, when you are non Korean, they say your blood is dirty and they reject you even when you are healthy and clean.
28 of ruling party officials caught in some sort of corruption, taking under table money,...using connection to help relatives cheat state coffer...
Unions are militant and will even tear down your office if you freeze wages even at this global crisis time.

Japan is the best in Asia and if Singapore wants to follow, we should follow the Japanese style of doing things.

Bloody self serving BS from LKY as usual. Just look at Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and even PRC to some extent, clear live examples that LKY is dead wrong.

 

[red amoeba]

japan is also corrupted loh and extremely foreigner unfriendly. I know someone who is fluent in Japanese, work in Japan for donkey years but absolutely no chance of getting Jap PR unless he screwed a Jap girl and marry her.

And looking the way the Jap economy is heading...its spiralling downwards.

 

[red amoeba]

reshuffling for what ? Now with the crisis we need stability. but then again, reshuffling means the ministers hve not been performing right?

We want results - 2 SMs or 2DPMs or whatever, show results. Why is Mr Wong still DPM when Mas Selamat is nowhere to be found?

Why is Mr Teo promoted to DPM - did he do a good job as Defense Minister? If so, why so many NS men drop dead like houseflies? Why did we take so long to decide to join the coaliation navy fighting priates at Somalia?

Why is Mr Lui promoted to MICA? Did he did a good job at Ministry of Education? If so, why did MM Lee have to come out to ask us to stop speaking dialects?

And last but not least but the most important - why the cabinet shuffle when SINGAPORE is suffering the worst from the economic crisis vis-a-vis her neighbours?