Chitchat What sort of city would you like Singapore to be?

[bodycells]

Again the question has to be answered regarding what the mainstay of the economy would be in order to sustain this sort of lifestyle.

Any suggestions?

I ask because I can't think of any that are within the capabilities of true blue sinkies.

Mr Sam.. U ask hard questions.. Haha

I have one suggestion. Food. The unique Singapore food. Plus the culture that link to it. The Koreans uses their pop culture to market their name all over the world through pop bands and Korean live stories. Then the products of Korean are highlighted along with it.

SG food and it's culture can do the same. If the sinkie entrepreneurs are able to do it.

Don't say I dun help..

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

If Singapore decided to be a sex hub, where would the primary product come from? local girls or imported talent? If the girls are local that would mean sinkie wives and daughters. If the whores were imported then we're going down the FT route again.

Your questions are very penetrating. I will have to twirl my head around this one

 

[yangtzejiang]

If Singapore succeeded in creating the best education system in the world and the graduates of this fantastic system were the most talented people on earth, you have to ask yourself why in god's name would they confine themselves to 675 sqkm when it came to marketing their talents.

Surely you would have to agree that Singapore would lose the majority of its talented to countries where life is far more pleasant.

We have operated under this presumption for 50 years Re: investing in own students. All it has gotten us is a multi billion dollar tuition industry propping up the failures of MOE to teach in the classroom.

If we're seriously re-booting, then Zh's suggestion should be fully supported.

Besides, where is th evidence for the policy to reduce investment in students for fear they will take their talents and leave?

 

[Hans168]

simple............ a nation without papig cheats

 

[frenchbriefs]

City of Dreams.

5 casinos,casinos everywhere.all the casinos have different themes,venetian city to sphinx egyptian to treasure island to musical fountain to Wynn.jobs for everyone if they want it,starting from $2000 USD a month,dealer jobs casino jobs,no degree required as long as u know how to count and shuffle cards.strip joints and bars and clubs everywhere,beautiful women scantily clad in bikinis,police uniforms and bunny costumes.

Ur country has highest GDP per capita in the world,90,000USD.every year the government gives u money.kids dont bother going to school because unemployment is virtually zero and nothing u study is relevant theres only one industry.

 

[eatshitndie]

the sinkie dream of a beautiful cityscape is already here.

 

[Yamato]

Rubbish. With wealth and influence, there is no need to play nice. You must be poor.

Oh please a person who makes $50k a year can feel rich while another who makes $500k can feel poor what is your point?

 

[kryonlight]

I would like Singapore to be the 51st state of USA. I promise you Singlish will be wiped out within 2 generations and replaced with American English. The population will return to around 3 million with many foreigners leaving. Becoming the 51st state of USA is actually the solution to many of the wishes listed in this thread. The only problem is we need to psycho Pinky to be the last emperor of Singapore.

 

[mojito]

If Singapore decided to be a sex hub, where would the primary product come from? local girls or imported talent? If the girls are local that would mean sinkie wives and daughters. If the whores were imported then we're going down the FT route again.

Simple. It is not a hub if things dun come from elsewhere. Can SG ween itself off hub fetish? I dun think so!

 

[winnipegjets]

I bet the MIW are reading this thread to tap ideas for their policy. They are intellectually bankrupts.

 

[Leongsam]

I bet the MIW are reading this thread to tap ideas for their policy. They are intellectually bankrupts.

I have seen no concrete suggestions yet. Nebulous concepts abound but the guy or gal who sits in the PM's shoes after the reboot will have to make decisive choices that will determine the success or failure of Singapore 3.0.

The canvas is 675sqkm with no natural resources and a very average population of 3 million. How do you turn this canvas into a work of art with per capita income of about USD100,000 and a Gini coefficient of less than 10?

 

[frenchbriefs]

I have seen no concrete suggestions yet. Nebulous concepts abound but the guy or gal who sits in the PM's shoes after the reboot will have to make decisive choices that will determine the success or failure of Singapore 3.0.

The canvas is 675sqkm with no natural resources and a very average population of 3 million. How do you turn this canvas into a work of art with per capita income of about USD100,000 and a Gini coefficient of less than 10?

theres no such thing about success or failure,wasnt singapore already a success in the 90s?its all about the money.

lets not talk about perfection,even god emperor LKY could not make this island a work of art.lets just talk about money instead.do u feel that sinkies on the whole have grown rich together like the swiss or germans or netherlands or scandinavians or australians?even from a pure economics perspective Lee Hsien loong was a massive failure,on the whole the numbers looks impressive and singapore seem to be a very rich country but very little of it translated to real wealth for the average singaporean citizen,instead we have been sidelined and marginalized and delegated to become a disposable work force.....Lee hsien failed even to look out for sinkies on the economic front.

pfffffffft......no one is asking for paradise or perfection,or we are asking for is something resembling the swiss standard or at least the australian standard of living.

 

[Leongsam]

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pfffffffft......no one is asking for paradise or perfection,or we are asking for is something resembling the swiss standard or at least the australian standard of living.

The OZ standard of living can be great or it can be atrocious depending upon which group of people you ask. Canada is similar.

No government can save those who are unwilling to be part of the system.

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Even though we are living in a first world country, aboriginal people are living in third world conditions; and the sad reality is that these conditions are not getting any better.


Lets look at some statistics:

*25% of First Nations children still live in poverty.

*Diabetes among First Nations people is overwhelming, statistics have showed that diabetes is three times higher than the national ratio.

*Studies show that 23% of aboriginals are living in houses that need major repairs compared to the rest of the Canadian population.

*Recent government data has shown that 50% of Inuit families are living in overcrowded housing conditions. Three bedroom homes are known to be occupied by as many as 20 people.

*These third world like conditions are the reason that more than 90 first nations communities are under boil water advisories. People in the community are frustrated because they have either little or no clean drinking water and sanitation.

*Tubercolosis is also very common within First nation communities, over eight times more than Canadians in general.

*More than half of First Nations people are unemployed and living on social assistance.

*Disability is very high amongst First Nations children doubling the rate of all Canadian children.

*Lack of dental care is such a problem that almost half the First nations children have rotting teeth and are in desperate need of restorative dentistry.

*High school graduation rates for First Nations youth are half the Canadian rate.

*First Nations suicides are 5 to 8 times more than the Canadian suicide rate.

*The majority of Inuit people in Canada live in remote arctic communities, this makes it impossible to access medical services and every day goods; Lack of money prevents acquiring quality foods.

*In the north fast food is less expensive than nutritious foods; this results in malnutrition and health problems.

*Poverty has to be addressed immediately to avoid negative impacts on the First Nations future generations to come.

 

[frenchbriefs]

The OZ standard of living can be great or it can be atrocious depending upon which group of people you ask. Canada is similar.

No government can save those who are unwilling to be part of the system.

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Even though we are living in a first world country, aboriginal people are living in third world conditions; and the sad reality is that these conditions are not getting any better.


Lets look at some statistics:

*25% of First Nations children still live in poverty.

*Diabetes among First Nations people is overwhelming, statistics have showed that diabetes is three times higher than the national ratio.

*Studies show that 23% of aboriginals are living in houses that need major repairs compared to the rest of the Canadian population.

*Recent government data has shown that 50% of Inuit families are living in overcrowded housing conditions. Three bedroom homes are known to be occupied by as many as 20 people.

*These third world like conditions are the reason that more than 90 first nations communities are under boil water advisories. People in the community are frustrated because they have either little or no clean drinking water and sanitation.

*Tubercolosis is also very common within First nation communities, over eight times more than Canadians in general.

*More than half of First Nations people are unemployed and living on social assistance.

*Disability is very high amongst First Nations children doubling the rate of all Canadian children.

*Lack of dental care is such a problem that almost half the First nations children have rotting teeth and are in desperate need of restorative dentistry.

*High school graduation rates for First Nations youth are half the Canadian rate.

*First Nations suicides are 5 to 8 times more than the Canadian suicide rate.

*The majority of Inuit people in Canada live in remote arctic communities, this makes it impossible to access medical services and every day goods; Lack of money prevents acquiring quality foods.

*In the north fast food is less expensive than nutritious foods; this results in malnutrition and health problems.

*Poverty has to be addressed immediately to avoid negative impacts on the First Nations future generations to come.

Lets not talk about the abos,im pretty sure australia goes out of its way to help everyone.Australia's gini speaks for itself,super farking low,nearly half of singapore.if u can't make it in Australia...u cant make it anywhere else.

 

[Leongsam]

Lets not talk about the abos,im pretty sure australia goes out of its way to help everyone.Australia's gini speaks for itself,super farking low,nearly half of singapore.if u can't make it in Australia...u cant make it anywhere else.

The gini coefficient means absolutely nothing on its own. Pakistan, Ethiopia have very low Gini coefficients too. You wanna live there?

 

[frenchbriefs]

The gini coefficient means absolutely nothing on its own. Pakistan, Ethiopia have very low Gini coefficients too. You wanna live there?

We are looking at the top 20 oecd countries,countries that are highly developed with high gdp per cap.if a country has low gdp and low gini,its called a communist country.

 

[Leongsam]

We are looking at the top 20 oecd countries,countries that are highly developed with high gdp per cap.if a country has low gdp and low gini,its called a communist country.

If you look at the Gini coefficient by country Singapore is hardly the outstanding villain. SG is 17.7. HK is 17.8. USA is at 15.5.

Countries like NZ and OZ are at 12.5. I don't know what the situation is in OZ but the reason why NZ is lower than Singapore is due largely in part to the fact that NZ richest have taken up residency elsewhere to avoid the ridiculous taxes that NZ imposes on the wealthy. Some of them are probably in Singapore 6 months of the year and are inflating Singapore's figures.

Gini is helpful but by no means tells the whole story. It is just one of the many factors used to profile a country.

 

[frenchbriefs]

If you look at the Gini coefficient by country Singapore is hardly the outstanding villain. SG is 17.7. HK is 17.8. USA is at 15.5.

Countries like NZ and OZ are at 12.5. I don't know what the situation is in OZ but the reason why NZ is lower than Singapore is due largely in part to the fact that NZ richest have taken up residency elsewhere to avoid the ridiculous taxes that NZ imposes on the wealthy. Some of them are probably in Singapore 6 months of the year and are inflating Singapore's figures.

Gini is helpful but by no means tells the whole story. It is just one of the many factors used to profile a country.

gini coefficient is a measurement expressed between 0 and 1,usually to three decimal places.with 0 being the most equal and 1 being the maximum inequality.im not sure exactly what those numbers u stated are.if i remember correctly Singapore's gini coefficient is about 0.465.there is only one or two "poor" commie countries that has achieved a low gini coefficient of 0.2 to 0.3,most of the top twenty lowest gini countries in the world are western socialist countries with korea and japan being the two asian exceptions.

 

[zhihau]

I have seen no concrete suggestions yet. Nebulous concepts abound but the guy or gal who sits in the PM's shoes after the reboot will have to make decisive choices that will determine the success or failure of Singapore 3.0.

Education is the way to go: the youngling educated to solve the problems of their time, we can only safely say it will be tumultuous time ahead.

Think about it: we can pay SGD$400,000 for rebranding Marina Bay as Marina Bay, then another SGD$400,000 in fees for some Consultants to tell us how to build a rubbish dump. I think we've arrived.

 

[Leongsam]

Education is the way to go: the youngling educated to solve the problems of their time, we can only safely say it will be tumultuous time ahead.

Think about it: we can pay SGD$400,000 for rebranding Marina Bay as Marina Bay, then another SGD$400,000 in fees for some Consultants to tell us how to build a rubbish dump. I think we've arrived.

Again some airy, fairy suggestion with nothing concrete. "Education" is simply a means to an end. What we get in the end requires leadership and vision. What is the vision? Nobody has an answer. That is why Singapore is fucked.

LHL has no vision and neither does any other Singaporean so all sinkies are collectively responsible for the state Singapore is in.

If there was someone who truly believed the country had a great future and had a plan to make it happen, that person would already be out there inspiring the rest of us.

Instead all we have is individuals pushing their personal agendas. Gays wanted to legalise butt fucking, liberals wanting to turn singapore into a lefty looneytown, nut case 18 year olds who hate everything and everyone and many others who simply sit on the sidelines taking pot shots at all and sundry.