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What if Cannabis Cured Cancer?

duh. california and 15 other states legalize it, and it created a bunch of new problems. i don't think you read what i posted.

Legalized pot? I think California legalized it ONLY for medicinal use. It is this partial legalization that caused a new set of problems because only those with "certified" license had legal access. I don't think total legalization is about to take place anytime soon.

In Canada too, legalized pot is for those with approved certification from medical authorities (I did try myself) and the approved source is from government licensed growers which, to the regular users is shitty. Very often the subject of legalization is brought up in parliament, and then thrown out again - many times. The legal status is going to remain for some time to come.

Cheers!
 
Personally, I do not have anything against the herb's current status. I can get it if I want to but because of its illegal status, I do not use it (at least not openly) with kids in my house. If they use it eventually, which is very possible, I just do not want to be the one responsible for it.

The vast majority of Singaporean's mindset of ganja is just like the US during the Reefer Madness days - one puff and you're hooked and your life is ruined. I have educated relatives in respectable positions in Sg who think like that. It will take a long long time for this kind of thinking to end. But I agree, talking about it is a good start.

Cheers!


I don't think just legalize it over night would be a good solution.

For one thing, our neighbours from the north are really ignorant about the plant right now because the Islamic party there believe Cannabis = intoxicant = haram = death penalty, even though Cannabis is never mentioned in the Quran and the fact that Iran (an Islamic nation) have decriminalize it.

For us to randomly legalize it means we are not respecting the Malaysian anti drug law (which happens to be where all our cannabis comes from).

I think a possible solution would be to 1st decriminalize it (mean no punishment for possession and consumption).

But to get access to the plant would be a whole different story. One solution is to regulate trade to obtain cannabis where countries have already legalize cannabis like California and Holland. Or we can grow ourselves in mass scale for those who have lisence. For those without lisence can only grow maybe less than 5 plants.

Then maybe with Singapore decriminalization, the rest of ASEAN would follow.

But the 1st step would be to talk about it. It is seriously silly to receive the death penalty for a plant less dangerous and addictive than alcohol and tobacco......................
 
Personally, I do not have anything against the herb's current status. I can get it if I want to but because of its illegal status, I do not use it (at least not openly) with kids in my house. If they use it eventually, which is very possible, I just do not want to be the one responsible for it.

The vast majority of Singaporean's mindset of ganja is just like the US during the Reefer Madness days - one puff and you're hooked and your life is ruined. I have educated relatives in respectable positions in Sg who think like that. It will take a long long time for this kind of thinking to end. But I agree, talking about it is a good start.

Cheers!

Just wanna share something...
http://www.legalisasiganja.com/

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Indonesia have a movement that recognizes Cannabis to be a harmless plant with 18000 followers on facebook....

I really donno where to put face if Indonesia decriminalizes Cannabis before Singapore....
 
Legalized pot? I think California legalized it ONLY for medicinal use. It is this partial legalization that caused a new set of problems because only those with "certified" license had legal access. I don't think total legalization is about to take place anytime soon.

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Cheers!

legalization for medicinal use is the 1st step to total legalization. however, you're right, it's not gonna happen for some time, perhaps a decade. for total legalization to work in the u.s., every state and the federal gov will have to be on board.
 
if singapore really legalize ganja confirm i come back and set up coffeeshop .
 
if singapore really legalize ganja confirm i come back and set up coffeeshop .

Peesai legalize ganja? Actually it's crossed my mind before. Not all of Singapore, but say, only on Setosa, from 4:20 pm Friday to midnight Sunday - enough time for partyers to get zombied out for the weekend. Can only purchase and use within the resort island. Strict checks at exit points to ensure the rest of Peesia stays clean and irresponsible fuckheads don't smuggle the dope back and use during work time on weekdays. Sure to be a big tourist draw.

Cheers!
 
Peesai legalize ganja? Actually it's crossed my mind before. Not all of Singapore, but say, only on Setosa, from 4:20 pm Friday to midnight Sunday - enough time for partyers to get zombied out for the weekend. Can only purchase and use within the resort island. Strict checks at exit points to ensure the rest of Peesia stays clean and irresponsible fuckheads don't smuggle the dope back and use during work time on weekdays. Sure to be a big tourist draw.

Cheers!

I don't think that's a good plan... First of all, need to establish what is "right" and what is "not right". The thing is, Cannabis have been demonoized so much people don't even know what is right and wrong anymore.

What I believe IMO, cannabis have multiple uses other than recreational. Most notably is in its use as a health suppliment and medical use against serious diseases like cancer which claims 5000 Singaporean every year including my late father, which is why I am so passionate about cannabis right now.

To have the government say we can use it for one thing but cannot use it for another is not really hard to enforce.

My suggestion is for the government role would be to ensure supply don't come from illegal source, maintain commerce law and maintain public order. Stuff like no smoking cannabis in public area but at home and certain clubs can. No smoking cannabis while driving. If people come to work stonned, it's their problem, not the plant or government's problem.

Then there are people who want to juice cannabis raw and drink, want to make their own Rick Simpson oil or want to grow one in a potted plant as a hobby do need to get the government involved.
 
Dear Mike: Sorry for taking it so lightly in this thread, also, sorry to hear about your dad.

If you wish to do what you've suggested, you'd have to do it outisde of Singapore where the law takes cannabis use not as a felony but a lighter sentence or even possibly look the other way (eg. Canada). If you cultivate the plant on a small scale, nobody will notice and you could carry on your harvests regularly; if you grow big, then you'd have to worry about the bad boys whose markets you're encroaching upon. The hemp plant has many uses and is making an impact on the green market (hemp oil, shirts, shoes, etc.) but the main big corporation the dealt it's death blow and outlawed its cultivation was probably DuPont when they started making ropes of Nylpon decades ago. Prior to that, most ropes were of hemp.

For Singapore at the moment, there are other natural herbal remedies to cancer and other illnesses that are legal. Try checking out Kampong Senang; they are a volunteer organization, many are survivors of cancer who have gone through the recommended chemo treatments and not convinced that will work for them. If you are really passionate about it, perhaps you might want to start a Cannabis Awareness Campaign here in Peesai? With the high medical costs in Sg, ganja (which is easily grown) will be an attractive option for many Singaporeans.

Cheers!

I don't think that's a good plan... First of all, need to establish what is "right" and what is "not right". The thing is, Cannabis have been demonoized so much people don't even know what is right and wrong anymore.

What I believe IMO, cannabis have multiple uses other than recreational. Most notably is in its use as a health suppliment and medical use against serious diseases like cancer which claims 5000 Singaporean every year including my late father, which is why I am so passionate about cannabis right now.

To have the government say we can use it for one thing but cannot use it for another is not really hard to enforce.

My suggestion is for the government role would be to ensure supply don't come from illegal source, maintain commerce law and maintain public order. Stuff like no smoking cannabis in public area but at home and certain clubs can. No smoking cannabis while driving. If people come to work stonned, it's their problem, not the plant or government's problem.

Then there are people who want to juice cannabis raw and drink, want to make their own Rick Simpson oil or want to grow one in a potted plant as a hobby do need to get the government involved.
 
Dear Mike: Sorry for taking it so lightly in this thread, also, sorry to hear about your dad.

If you wish to do what you've suggested, you'd have to do it outisde of Singapore where the law takes cannabis use not as a felony but a lighter sentence or even possibly look the other way (eg. Canada). If you cultivate the plant on a small scale, nobody will notice and you could carry on your harvests regularly; if you grow big, then you'd have to worry about the bad boys whose markets you're encroaching upon. The hemp plant has many uses and is making an impact on the green market (hemp oil, shirts, shoes, etc.) but the main big corporation the dealt it's death blow and outlawed its cultivation was probably DuPont when they started making ropes of Nylpon decades ago. Prior to that, most ropes were of hemp.

For Singapore at the moment, there are other natural herbal remedies to cancer and other illnesses that are legal. Try checking out Kampong Senang; they are a volunteer organization, many are survivors of cancer who have gone through the recommended chemo treatments and not convinced that will work for them. If you are really passionate about it, perhaps you might want to start a Cannabis Awareness Campaign here in Peesai? With the high medical costs in Sg, ganja (which is easily grown) will be an attractive option for many Singaporeans.

Cheers!

No problem. I lost him on the 15th this month. It have been over a week but it still feel surreal.. I keep feeling like my dad is actually off on his trip, just waiting for him to come home.... But he won't be coming home...

I still blame myself for being young and naive about cancer. He was diagnosed back in 2010 but we were noticing signs as since 2009 when he kept complaining about a shoulder pain. He went to the doctor in polyclinic multiple times only to be diagnosed with pulled muscles and given Panadol. By the time finally diagnosed with cancer, it was already stage 3. I was only 21 at the time.

Our first instinct was to go to hospital. Singapore have the best medical facilities in south east Asia after all. He got the standard radiotherapy chemotherapy treatment and the doctor convinced me that it was the only treatment available. It was really painful to see him undergo such treatment but "lan lan" still need to do.

But he never really got better. Over the months, I tried to learn everything I can about alternative cancer treatment. First there was DCA which have good track record against tumors but alas, illegal under HSA. Then there was Laetrile or vitamin B17 which is also illegal under HSA. Best we could do was to give him a proper diet and colostrum suppliment. We were not well connected so we couldn't find much alternative cancer doctor and the ones we found were obvious quacks want to cure cancer with massages.

By 2012, his cancer has reached stage 4 and was extensive. We also learnt about tumeric, dandelion tea and vitamin C infusion but it was all too late by then. I only learnt about cannabis as cancer treatment early this month and tried to search for some but it was in vain.


I realized many things throughout this ordeal. 1) Cancer is still a mystery disease in the eyes of Singapore doctors but there are some suggestions from outside Singapore that cancer is not a disease, it is a symptom of something else. Just like high blood pressure is not the disease but a symptom of narrowing arteries due to plaque.

Suggestion is that cancer is a deficiency of a hormone that causes apoptosis (natural cell death). Believe it or not, right now our body is making 50million cancer cells each day. But don't worry, our body naturally kill the cancer cell through apoptosis. But for some reason, cancer become deadly when apoptosis does not occur. Many theories arises but the Endocannabinoid theory is the strongest so far. Our body actually makes its own cannabis compound via the endocannabinoid system which regulate the immune system and cancer occurs when our body does not produce enough of the compound. Thus where cannabis comes in as a suppliment to the body.

Most Singapore doctors are excellent when it comes to fixing injuries and communicable diseases. But they suck when they come to lifestyle diseases like diabetes, cardiovascular diseases and cancer because the problem is not in the disease, it's in the lifestyle.


2) Our HSA is just a carbon copy of FDA. I looked into why DCA and Laetrile is illegal in Singapore and what I found out shocked me. Our HSA just copies everything the FDA say, including the correct and the wrong laws. Laetrile is just an extract of the appricot seed and it's illegal in Singapore. We don't have corporate interest like America so the only reason why we follow such law is because they don't know/don't bother to research and just copy and paste from FDA, both the good and the bad.
 
Also I realized our Chapter 185 have many flaws other than the cannabis issue.

Coca leaf is also illegal in Singapore. Coca leaf is very safe, in fact as safe as coffee. Coca leaf is the plant where cocaine came from. But it take about 1000kg of coca leaf to make 1kg of cocaine through a process which requires kerosene, sodium carbonate, potassium carbonate, sulfuric acid, 60 liters of water and many man power.

Making coca leaf illegal makes as much sense as making bamboo illegal because it can be make into chewing gum.


I also learnt that Estacy is actually a very excellent psycological drug to treat depression but became illegal because "some people" use it for clubbing. So people with depression cannot take their medicine because "some people" take it for clubbing.


Also, Opium poppy was last time very popular in Indian dishes here in Singapore but now opium poppy also illegal because opium poppy have the chemical that can make heroine.


Really, this law is severely messed up. To deny people to use the drug for good just because some people want to use it for something else.
 
We're both alike here. I am convinced that Cannabis, Coca, and Opium in their natural forms are nature's own answer for treating many common illnesses in society. Just that the corporations and FDA have a big say in policy making, commoners are deniend their benefits. These laws need to be relooked at; but I doubt the authorities in Singapore will take that step.

BTW, I have a relative, living with cancer who used to get Apricot seeds from Malaysia. She told me that the government has outlawed its commercial sale in Singapore but one can still obtain it for "personal" use (I am unable to verify this officiaially). Also, a food high in B17 is cassava, or tapioca - this is available in local markets.

Cheers!


Also I realized our Chapter 185 have many flaws other than the cannabis issue.

Coca leaf is also illegal in Singapore. Coca leaf is very safe, in fact as safe as coffee. Coca leaf is the plant where cocaine came from. But it take about 1000kg of coca leaf to make 1kg of cocaine through a process which requires kerosene, sodium carbonate, potassium carbonate, sulfuric acid, 60 liters of water and many man power.

Making coca leaf illegal makes as much sense as making bamboo illegal because it can be make into chewing gum.


I also learnt that Estacy is actually a very excellent psycological drug to treat depression but became illegal because "some people" use it for clubbing. So people with depression cannot take their medicine because "some people" take it for clubbing.


Also, Opium poppy was last time very popular in Indian dishes here in Singapore but now opium poppy also illegal because opium poppy have the chemical that can make heroine.


Really, this law is severely messed up. To deny people to use the drug for good just because some people want to use it for something else.
 
We're both alike here. I am convinced that Cannabis, Coca, and Opium in their natural forms are nature's own answer for treating many common illnesses in society. Just that the corporations and FDA have a big say in policy making, commoners are deniend their benefits. These laws need to be relooked at; but I doubt the authorities in Singapore will take that step.

BTW, I have a relative, living with cancer who used to get Apricot seeds from Malaysia. She told me that the government has outlawed its commercial sale in Singapore but one can still obtain it for "personal" use (I am unable to verify this officiaially). Also, a food high in B17 is cassava, or tapioca - this is available in local markets.

Cheers!

I think Singapore government should actually look into this... Every year 10000 Singaporean is diagnosed with cancer. And treating cancer is not free, a lot of $$$ from government is wasted on subsidies.

IMHO, got 3 possibilities (1) Singapore government don't have much resource/knowledge/interest in looking at these "illegal" drugs. Singapore main concern is trying to maintain economic stability. So basically no one in the government actually knows that all these drugs are safe. They just "assume" it to be dangerous.

(2) Government official is scared to break the status quo. You know that Singapore government official are paid really high with their iron rice bowl. They scared to come out and suggest some of this "illegal" drugs are safe might jepordise their career.

(3) Government already know but is too scared to make it public knowledge because if satistics to be believed, we have hangged 400 people for cannabis trafficking since 1996. If suddenly make cannabis legal, people are gonna ask questions. All these years we hang people for what?



Anyway, yes, B17 capsules are illegal to be sold in Singapore. BUT, if you go to some TCM shops, they got sell North Xing Ren or North Bitter Almond or Appricot Kernels. Wierd right? Sell appricot kernel tablets is illegal but sell raw appricot kernels at TCM is legal....
 
From the look of things, Sg government is not for naturopathic way of healing. Whether because there is no hard core established scientific evidence from bona-fide sources, or there is no money to be made.

I wonder if you've noticed, graviola (or soursop) is not found commonly in Sg fruit shops nowadays, and it has a high content of B17. Fruit shops in Johor have of late been shopped out of soursop because Singaporeans have gone up north to buy them up.

We cannot wait for governments to be "for the people." Some things, we have to take into our own hands.

Cheers!


I think Singapore government should actually look into this... Every year 10000 Singaporean is diagnosed with cancer. And treating cancer is not free, a lot of $$$ from government is wasted on subsidies.

IMHO, got 3 possibilities (1) Singapore government don't have much resource/knowledge/interest in looking at these "illegal" drugs. Singapore main concern is trying to maintain economic stability. So basically no one in the government actually knows that all these drugs are safe. They just "assume" it to be dangerous.

(2) Government official is scared to break the status quo. You know that Singapore government official are paid really high with their iron rice bowl. They scared to come out and suggest some of this "illegal" drugs are safe might jepordise their career.

(3) Government already know but is too scared to make it public knowledge because if satistics to be believed, we have hangged 400 people for cannabis trafficking since 1996. If suddenly make cannabis legal, people are gonna ask questions. All these years we hang people for what?



Anyway, yes, B17 capsules are illegal to be sold in Singapore. BUT, if you go to some TCM shops, they got sell North Xing Ren or North Bitter Almond or Appricot Kernels. Wierd right? Sell appricot kernel tablets is illegal but sell raw appricot kernels at TCM is legal....
 
From the look of things, Sg government is not for naturopathic way of healing. Whether because there is no hard core established scientific evidence from bona-fide sources, or there is no money to be made.

I wonder if you've noticed, graviola (or soursop) is not found commonly in Sg fruit shops nowadays, and it has a high content of B17. Fruit shops in Johor have of late been shopped out of soursop because Singaporeans have gone up north to buy them up.

We cannot wait for governments to be "for the people." Some things, we have to take into our own hands.

Cheers!

Singapore government actually believe in TCM as well and promote the use of TCM but has no subsidies on it. So it's not the government don't believe in it, it's because documentation of TCM is not well prepared compared to western style medicine.

Ironically, cannabis was once a part of TCM if you want to google it up.

I donno about the sour soap it'll but there are sold as juices in some stores.

I do agree that health is in the hands of the people, not the government. But the problem is, no one ever want to question the government and the government never questioned itself. So cannabis remained illegal Eventhough it's safer than alcohol, B17 suppliment is illegal Eventhough Xing Ren is legal and e cigarettes is illegal Eventhough it is safer than tobacco.

Someone need to actually write a report and bring the report to the MP about all the discrepancies in our HSA.
 
From the look of things, Sg government is not for naturopathic way of healing. Whether because there is no hard core established scientific evidence from bona-fide sources, or there is no money to be made.

I wonder if you've noticed, graviola (or soursop) is not found commonly in Sg fruit shops nowadays, and it has a high content of B17. Fruit shops in Johor have of late been shopped out of soursop because Singaporeans have gone up north to buy them up.

We cannot wait for governments to be "for the people." Some things, we have to take into our own hands.

Cheers!

Singapore government actually believe in TCM as well and promote the use of TCM but has no subsidies on it. So it's not the government don't believe in it, it's because documentation of TCM is not well prepared compared to western style medicine.

Ironically, cannabis was once a part of TCM if you want to google it up.

I donno about the sour soap it'll but there are sold as juices in some stores.

I do agree that health is in the hands of the people, not the government. But the problem is, no one ever want to question the government and the government never questioned itself. So cannabis remained illegal Eventhough it's safer than alcohol, B17 suppliment is illegal Eventhough Xing Ren is legal and e cigarettes is illegal Eventhough it is safer than tobacco.

Someone need to actually write a report and bring the report to the MP about all the discrepancies in our HSA.
 
Yes, because of the lack of documentation in TCM, an no official authority governing its practice, TCM has a notorious history of quackery; one of the main reasons there is little confidence in it. Knowledge of it has mostly been passed down from physician to apprentice, with lots of magic and trickery sprouting from snake oil salesmen. For me, my mind changed when I felt relieved of back pain as a result of acupuncture treatment; can't explain it, but it worked for me. And ever since, observing the politics behind the FDA's accreditation of drugs in the US, and the backing some congressmen give to some vaccinations for approval, leaves me with doubts about the medicines we're given by allopathic doctors and the profit driven marketing evils of the entire pharmaceutical companies pushed me to look towards natural herbs. SUggest you google Kampong Senang or drop by one of their branches. It is heartening that there are ordinary folk in our society that have taken this step.

Cheers!

Singapore government actually believe in TCM as well and promote the use of TCM but has no subsidies on it. So it's not the government don't believe in it, it's because documentation of TCM is not well prepared compared to western style medicine.

Ironically, cannabis was once a part of TCM if you want to google it up.

I donno about the sour soap it'll but there are sold as juices in some stores.

I do agree that health is in the hands of the people, not the government. But the problem is, no one ever want to question the government and the government never questioned itself. So cannabis remained illegal Eventhough it's safer than alcohol, B17 suppliment is illegal Eventhough Xing Ren is legal and e cigarettes is illegal Eventhough it is safer than tobacco.

Someone need to actually write a report and bring the report to the MP about all the discrepancies in our HSA.
 
Yes, because of the lack of documentation in TCM, an no official authority governing its practice, TCM has a notorious history of quackery; one of the main reasons there is little confidence in it. Knowledge of it has mostly been passed down from physician to apprentice, with lots of magic and trickery sprouting from snake oil salesmen. ....

Lack of documentation in TCM?

Welcome to PubMed, which is better than documentation.

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Lack of documentation in TCM?

Welcome to PubMed, which is better than documentation.

Yea... Pubmed is also the place that have several documentation of cannabis against cancer cells...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Cannabis cancer

But HSA is the big dog in Singapore and if HSA don't want to look into this, Cannabis medicine will remain illegal. Just like how E cigarette is still illegal in Singapore Eventhough it is safer than tobacco.
 
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