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What if Cannabis Cured Cancer?

Cruxx

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What if a sterile man were to have sex with his sister? Welcome to the irrationality of human morality :smile:
 

Agoraphobic

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What rights do governments in the world have to tell people they can't consume natural things?

People don't die from cancer. They die from the prescribed treatments.
 

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Pharmaceutical companies won't allow natural cancer cures on the market.

GSK, Lilly, Pfizer etc.
 

Mikeferdy

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I'm bumping for more awareness...

I am a bit shocked how laid back Singaporean are with our law, governing Singaporean to be Sent to death by hanging for a plant less dangerous than Alcohol....

This is severely messed up man...
 

eatshitndie

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not so simple as it seems. take a page out of california.

california legalized medicinal marijuana thru' the ballot. what was originally of good intention, for those who were suffering from certain ailments and needed marijuana to curb the pain, turned out to be a fecking mess. 1st of all, borderline cases never exposed to hardcore drugs became emboldened to try more powerful narcotics to get "higher". there are now more cases of folks getting addicted to hard drugs in california as a result of being introduced to medicinal marijuana. 2nd, medicinal marijuana shops and smoke clubs are sprouting like mushrooms in every major city, especially in the bay area. the problem has become so bad that cities are clamping down as these are typically joints and haunts for crime, prostitution and trafficking of other drugs which are illegal. for every 2 legit shops with medical certification and qualified doctors and dispensers, there are 20 illegal ones with bogus permits, fraudulent certifications and tainted marijuana and other substances. 3rd, because a doctor's prescription is required to obtain the weed, all kinds of "doctors" appeared overnight with bogus qualifications and credentials. it's becoming such a joke that marijuana schools sprout from nowhere due to demand of "dr. of marijuana" diplomas. you can go online and become a certified marijuana expert, complete with doctorate diploma. 4th, marijuana farms have taken over the foreclosed homes landscape literally. you can become more profitable growing matijuana at homes you buy from foreclosure than renting them out. this is the worst problem, and cities including oakland the most liberal marijana friendly city have to resort to begging assistance from federal agencies to crack cases that have grown to large organized criminal cultivation and harvest of the wonder weed. it has become a drug war with big organized gangs armed to the teeth killing off legit small organic farms that originally symbolize the movement. ironic.

don't go there.
 
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Mikeferdy

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not so simple as it seems. take a page out of california.

california legalized medicinal marijuana thru' the ballot. what was originally of good intention, for those who were suffering from certain ailments and needed marijuana to curb the pain, turned out to be a fecking mess. 1st of all, borderline cases never exposed to hardcore drugs became emboldened to try more powerful narcotics to get "higher". there are now more cases of folks getting addicted to hard drugs in california as a result of being introduced to medicinal marijuana. 2nd, medicinal marijuana shops and smoke clubs are sprouting like mushrooms in every major city, especially in the bay area. the problem has become so bad that cities are clamping down as these are typically joints and haunts for crime, prostitution and trafficking of other drugs which are illegal. for every 2 legit shops with medical certification and qualified doctors and dispensers, there are 20 illegal ones with bogus permits, fraudulent certifications and tainted marijuana and other substances. 3rd, because a doctor's prescription is required to obtain the weed, all kinds of "doctors" appeared overnight with bogus qualifications and credentials. it's becoming such a joke that marijuana schools sprout from nowhere due to demand of "dr. of marijuana" diplomas. you can go online and become a certified marijuana expert, complete with doctorate diploma. 4th, marijuana farms have taken over the foreclosed homes landscape literally. you can become more profitable growing matijuana at homes you buy from foreclosure than renting them out. this is the worst problem, and cities including oakland the most liberal marijana friendly city have to resort to begging assistance from federal agencies to crack cases that have grown to large organized criminal cultivation and harvest of the wonder weed. it has become a drug war with big organized gangs armed to the teeth killing off legit small organic farms that originally symbolize the movement. ironic.

don't go there.

Amazing claim.... source pls....
 

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I'm bumping for more awareness...

I am a bit shocked how laid back Singaporean are with our law, governing Singaporean to be Sent to death by hanging for a plant less dangerous than Alcohol....

This is severely messed up man...

As a society, Singaporeans are lethargic - leaving the government to decide and act on everything, so long as Ah Seng and Ah Lian gets to eat their char kwey teow and laksa.

Despite their high education, high salaries, Singaporeans don't care what's right or wrong, morally, ethically, blah blah. Agree with you, it is a messed up society.

Cheers!
 

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Solution: Legalize it. Then everyone has access to it and it is no longer a crime to cultivate it - that will remove the underworld's control of distribution. The problem then will be the pharmaceuticals will feel the bite. However on the bright side, the majority of law-abiding citizens will have it - for free.

Cheers!


not so simple as it seems. take a page out of california.

california legalized medicinal marijuana thru' the ballot. what was originally of good intention, for those who were suffering from certain ailments and needed marijuana to curb the pain, turned out to be a fecking mess. 1st of all, borderline cases never exposed to hardcore drugs became emboldened to try more powerful narcotics to get "higher". there are now more cases of folks getting addicted to hard drugs in california as a result of being introduced to medicinal marijuana. 2nd, medicinal marijuana shops and smoke clubs are sprouting like mushrooms in every major city, especially in the bay area. the problem has become so bad that cities are clamping down as these are typically joints and haunts for crime, prostitution and trafficking of other drugs which are illegal. for every 2 legit shops with medical certification and qualified doctors and dispensers, there are 20 illegal ones with bogus permits, fraudulent certifications and tainted marijuana and other substances. 3rd, because a doctor's prescription is required to obtain the weed, all kinds of "doctors" appeared overnight with bogus qualifications and credentials. it's becoming such a joke that marijuana schools sprout from nowhere due to demand of "dr. of marijuana" diplomas. you can go online and become a certified marijuana expert, complete with doctorate diploma. 4th, marijuana farms have taken over the foreclosed homes landscape literally. you can become more profitable growing matijuana at homes you buy from foreclosure than renting them out. this is the worst problem, and cities including oakland the most liberal marijana friendly city have to resort to begging assistance from federal agencies to crack cases that have grown to large organized criminal cultivation and harvest of the wonder weed. it has become a drug war with big organized gangs armed to the teeth killing off legit small organic farms that originally symbolize the movement. ironic.

don't go there.
 

Mikeferdy

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Solution: Legalize it. Then everyone has access to it and it is no longer a crime to cultivate it - that will remove the underworld's control of distribution. The problem then will be the pharmaceuticals will feel the bite. However on the bright side, the majority of law-abiding citizens will have it - for free.

Cheers!

I don't think just legalize it over night would be a good solution.

For one thing, our neighbours from the north are really ignorant about the plant right now because the Islamic party there believe Cannabis = intoxicant = haram = death penalty, even though Cannabis is never mentioned in the Quran and the fact that Iran (an Islamic nation) have decriminalize it.

For us to randomly legalize it means we are not respecting the Malaysian anti drug law (which happens to be where all our cannabis comes from).

I think a possible solution would be to 1st decriminalize it (mean no punishment for possession and consumption).

But to get access to the plant would be a whole different story. One solution is to regulate trade to obtain cannabis where countries have already legalize cannabis like California and Holland. Or we can grow ourselves in mass scale for those who have lisence. For those without lisence can only grow maybe less than 5 plants.

Then maybe with Singapore decriminalization, the rest of ASEAN would follow.

But the 1st step would be to talk about it. It is seriously silly to receive the death penalty for a plant less dangerous and addictive than alcohol and tobacco.


Here's another interesting video about cannabis
[video=youtube;qgEP9FdIzT8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgEP9FdIzT8[/video]
 

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Interesting.

Aldington, S, Harwood, M., Cox, B., Weatherall, M., Beckert, L., Hansell, A., Pritchard, A., et al. (2008). Cannabis use and risk of lung cancer: a case-control study. The European respiratory journal: official journal of the European Society for Clinical Respiratory Physiology, 31(2), 280–286. doi:10.1183/09031936.00065707

Aldington, Sarah, Harwood, M., Cox, B., Weatherall, M., Beckert, L., Hansell, A., Pritchard, A., et al. (2008). Cannabis use and cancer of the head and neck: case-control study. Otolaryngology--head and neck surgery: official journal of American Academy of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery, 138(3), 374–380. doi:10.1016/j.otohns.2007.12.002

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Bowles, D. W., O’Bryant, C. L., Camidge, D. R., & Jimeno, A. (2011). The intersection between cannabis and cancer in the United States. Critical reviews in oncology/hematology. doi:10.1016/j.critrevonc.2011.09.008

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eatshitndie

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Amazing claim.... source pls....

i'm the source as i live in the bay area and have seen prop 215 in action since its inception in 1996. prop 215, which was a ballot proposition to legalize medicinal marijuana in cal, was passed with a 56% majority. although legal in california, it is still illegal according to federal laws. california got the ball rolling, and since 1996, 15 other states have passed laws thru' ballot majorities to legalize medicinal marijuana. the district of columbia has also joined in.

due to the bigger market in 16 states, thugs and gangs have jumped on the bandwagon, and it's becoming a serious crime issue, not because it's illegal in these states, but because legalization has brought about new industry issues - lack of effective regulation, law enforcement, dispute arbitration, screwed up permit process and policing, etc. the business is so new and fraud with loopholes, cities and states don't know how to deal with the constant evolution and fraud. fraud happens because there's money to be made and shortcuts are taken to bypass the lengthy state and city permit and licensing process.

you'll hear from me on all the horror stories of legalization, and pitfalls of not thinking thru' deliberately every shit that hits the fan when passing laws.
 
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eatshitndie

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Solution: Legalize it. Then everyone has access to it and it is no longer a crime to cultivate it - that will remove the underworld's control of distribution. The problem then will be the pharmaceuticals will feel the bite. However on the bright side, the majority of law-abiding citizens will have it - for free.

Cheers!

duh. california and 15 other states legalize it, and it created a bunch of new problems. i don't think you read what i posted.
 

Mikeferdy

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i'm the source as i live in the bay area and have seen prop 215 in action since its inception in 1996. prop 215, which was a ballot proposition to legalize medicinal marijuana in cal, was passed with a 56% majority. although legal in california, it is still illegal according to federal laws. california got the ball rolling, and since 1996, 15 other states have passed laws thru' ballot majorities to legalize medicinal marijuana. the district of columbia has also joined in.

due to the bigger market in 16 states, thugs and gangs have jumped on the bandwagon, and it's becoming a serious crime issue, not because it's illegal in these states, but because legalization has brought about new industry issues - lack of effective regulation, law enforcement, dispute arbitration, screwed up permit process and policing, etc. the business is so new and fraud with loopholes, cities and states don't know how to deal with the constant evolution and fraud. fraud happens because there's money to be made and shortcuts are taken to bypass the lengthy state and city permit and licensing process.

you'll hear from me on all the horror stories of legalization, and pitfalls of not thinking thru' deliberately every shit that hits the fan when passing laws.

I re read your claims and I do believe there could be some problems arising...

But the thing is from what I read, California has not "Legalized" Cannabis fully yet. They just created a "medical marijuana" law for people who needs medical treatment but not for recreational use. Eventhough technically cannabis is legal, heavy regulations are causing some illegal activity to surface.

We have a similar problem in Singapore here as well. It's called the "contraband cigarette". Cigarettes is largely legal in Singapore but is heavily regulated. And because of the regulation, it drove cigarette prices up high, with the good intention of taxing cigarettes out of existence in Singapore.

But is it working? Well, lesser singaporeans have picked up smoking over the years but it is still being picked up by some youths over the years. So the question is it the cost of regulations of cigarettes outweighing the drive for a smoke free Singapore?

Anyway, because there will always be a demand for cigarettes for a cheaper price, organized smuggling rings have surfaced. If you go to aldjunet, you'll see rows of contraband cigarettes being sold at cheaper prices. And these sellers don't care about IDs. They will sell to school children to push the sales of their contraband cigarettes.

And where do the money for the sales of contraband cigarettes go? Most likely it will fund organized crimes in Singapore like drug trafficking and loan shark activities. This will also get some of the kids involved, forming gangs and secret societies, etc.

And this commands the attention of Singapore police force, the National Environment Agencies, the Singapore Customs, the Central Narcotics Bureau.


So yea, who would have known too much regulations could cause so much trouble over something like a roll of dried tobacco?

I think this is about the same problem as California but since the regulation is harsher on cannabis, the crime is also much harsher.


Think the only true success story of legalizing cannabis is Amsterdam.
 
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