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Chitchat What happened in Saudi Arabia in the last 3 days ?

MBS and MBZ look like they are in love. The era of the 2 Mohammeds?

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Think of the timing and symbolism of this visit - Turkey had requested for an emergency meeting of the OIC, supposedly "the collective voice of the Muslim world" to present a unified response to the Trump declaration on Jerusalem and only 20 heads of state attended (out of 57 members). Saudi Arabia, the host of the OIC headquarters, sent only a senior foreign ministry official (and King Salman then released a statement reaffirming KSA commitment to EJ as a Palestinian capital). Others, including Egypt, deployed their foreign ministers. This merely adds more credence to the widespread belief that hat Trump's Jerusalem move couldn't have happened without the green light of Saudi Arabia and that there are Muslim countries who are not willing to go beyond rhetoric opposition at the expense of sacrificing their relationship with the United States.

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And in terms of the violent reactions anticipated, these outbreaks have been rather tame in comparison to what has happened previously so the situation has been largely manageable so far.
 
I hardly meet muslims who are upset about millions of Yemenis left dead and starving from the Saudi military offensives. But if one palestinian gets hurt by a non-muslim jew or american, every muslim heart is bleeding. Typical hypocrisy that is prevalent throughout the 1 billion muslim people.
 
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Think of the timing and symbolism of this visit - Turkey had requested for an emergency meeting of the OIC, supposedly "the collective voice of the Muslim world" to present a unified response to the Trump declaration on Jerusalem and only 20 heads of state attended (out of 57 members). Saudi Arabia, the host of the OIC headquarters, sent only a senior foreign ministry official. Others, including Egypt, deployed their foreign ministers. This merely adds more credence to the widespread belief that hat Trump's Jerusalem move couldn't have happened without the green light of Saudi Arabia and that there are Muslim countries who are not willing to go beyond rhetoric opposition at the expense of sacrificing their relationship with the United States.

And in terms of the violent reactions anticipated, these outbreaks have been rather tame in comparison to what has happened previously so the situation has been largely manageable so far.

And I wonder why Najib is so anxious to attend this meeting? Is he aware that in the muslim world, m&ds occupy a very low position and are deemed as being fit only for washing the toilets of the upper class turks and arabs?
 
"Bin Salman and the United Arab Emirates are trying to strangle Jordan's economy until it agrees to their terms, submit to their leadership in the region, and agree to Trump's so-called 'ultimate deal',"

Bani Mustafa also said Jordan's closest Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) allies - Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Kuwait - did not renew a five-year financial assistance programme with Amman worth $3.6bn that ended in 2017.

Khitan also said Prince bin Salman, 32, has placed Saudi-Jordanian relations "on ice".

"Bin Salman no longer views Jordan as a needed partner now that he has warming and direct ties with Israel - according to several statements made by Israeli politicians," he said.

"Bin Salman is behaving as if he is the leader of the entire Arab world. But the problem is that he does not realise that such leadership also requires that he bears the burden of leading the region. But he is not getting it."


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Paradoxically, theocratic Iran became the protector of non-Sunnis and even secular Sunnis against jihadism. The main fear of Christians and Shiites in the Levant is to be overwhelmed by Sunni Islam.

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"He found himself faced with a list of economic sanctions brandished by the Saudis against Lebanon."

Riyadh threatened to expel 160,000 Lebanese nationals working in the Gulf and force regional businessmen to withdraw their investments from Lebanon.

The 47-year-old premier wrote his own resignation announcement, crafting it in a way he thought would appease the Saudis.

"He was not a prisoner in the literal sense but the Saudis told him, 'if you go back to Lebanon, we'll think of you as Hezbollah, and your government as an enemy,'" the source told AFP.

"They said: 'We will punish Lebanon like Qatar,'" he said, referring to Saudi's months-long land, sea, and air blockade on Qatar.

Karim Bitar of the Paris-based Institute of International and Strategic Affairs said Riyadh's plan spectacularly backfired.

"The Saudis wanted to send a powerful message demonstrating their determination to push back on Iran's foray into the Levant," said Bitar.

"But it produced a real boomerang effect."

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I did note surprisingly the tame response at ground level. I also note the political pundits are also unsure.

Any reason why the German Intelligence has been on point in the last 3 years on ME?

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Think of the timing and symbolism of this visit - Turkey had requested for an emergency meeting of the OIC, supposedly "the collective voice of the Muslim world" to present a unified response to the Trump declaration on Jerusalem and only 20 heads of state attended (out of 57 members). Saudi Arabia, the host of the OIC headquarters, sent only a senior foreign ministry official (and King Salman then released a statement reaffirming KSA commitment to EJ as a Palestinian capital). Others, including Egypt, deployed their foreign ministers. This merely adds more credence to the widespread belief that hat Trump's Jerusalem move couldn't have happened without the green light of Saudi Arabia and that there are Muslim countries who are not willing to go beyond rhetoric opposition at the expense of sacrificing their relationship with the United States.

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And in terms of the violent reactions anticipated, these outbreaks have been rather tame in comparison to what has happened previously so the situation has been largely manageable so far.
 
Najib has no bearing anywhere outside UMNO. The guy is an embarrassment to Malays, Malaysians, Asian, Muslims Worldwide.

And I wonder why Najib is so anxious to attend this meeting? Is he aware that in the muslim world, m&ds occupy a very low position and are deemed as being fit only for washing the toilets of the upper class turks and arabs?
 
I did note surprisingly the tame response at ground level. I also note the political pundits are also unsure.

Any reason why the German Intelligence has been on point in the last 3 years on ME?

The response on the ground is tame because it can't get any worse.

Vast majority of the OIC states already do not have diplomatic ties with israel, they mostly support any move to destroy Israel. Since, they don't recognize israel's right to exist, not recognizing Israel's sovereignty over a united jerusalem is already included.

I do note the significance of the venue for the recent OIC meeting. They are meeting in Constantinople. So muslims are gathering in a city that they ethnically cleansed of Greek Orthodox Christians to denounce a supposed cleansing of muslims and Arabs from jerusalem which didn't happen.
 
Yet another unexpected twist - would not have seen this one especially given UAE's enormous hate for the Muslim Brotherhood. Militants led by Aidarous Al-Zubaidi, head of the UAE-backed South Transitional Council, increased their attacks on the Al-Islah party.
Al-Islah, with whom Al-Zubaidi had previously been aligned, ceased its alliance with the UAE’s man in the south of Yemen following his rift with the internationally backed President Hadi.
Al-Zubaidi’s forces escalated their attacks on Al-Islah since the Gulf blockade on Qatar began in early June. One of the reasons why the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Egypt claimed to have cut relations with Doha was its support for the “terrorist” Muslim Brotherhood group to which Al-Islah is affiliated.

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And on the same day:

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I did note surprisingly the tame response at ground level. I also note the political pundits are also unsure.

Any reason why the German Intelligence has been on point in the last 3 years on ME?

Very good spot - relations between Germany and the Saudis had already become tense in the years before because of Berlin's decision to tighten restrictions on arms contracts and to speak out on human rights (for eg Vice-Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel had criticised the sentencing of blogger Raif Badawi the year before in March 2014 before his visit to Riyadh and was instrumental in convening talks in Vienna in Nov 2015 on the Syria conflict between KSA, Iran, Russia, Turkey, Iraq and other western powers). In 2015 Germany had also accepted 900,000 refugees.

Interestingly, although the initial 2015 report released 3 weeks after (on 2 Dec 2015) the Paris attacks (on 13 Nov 2015) it was quickly publicly rebuked by the German government - it was the prominent inclusion of untested and discrete youngling MBS in the then-new lineup as vice crown prince and new minister of defence in January 2015 by his dad King Salman when he took the throne that caught their attention initially.

The BND correctly projected that concentration of enormous economic and military power coupled with his then know nickname "Reckless" would spur him to go too far in attempting to establishing himself as the true heir to the throne with an opportunity. to craft a legacy that would endure for 50 years or more. There were various reasons the report made little impact outside Germany (BND was also battling the scandal of doing NSA's bidding to have spied on European allies, companies, and institutions far beyond a 2002 intelligence-sharing agreement with the US, and used mass-surveillance software supplied by US spies, had already caused outrage in Germany.).

Ultimately the milestone event of the execution of the Shia cleric Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr and 46 others – mostly Sunni jihadis or dissenters – on 2 January 2016 that ultimately really raised flags that, for almost the first time, alerting governments to the extent to which the "new" Saudi Arabia had become a threat to the status quo., where "cautious diplomatic stance of the elder leaders in the royal family is being replaced by an impulsive policy of intervention".

It was also seen as a direct salvo of deliberately provoking Iran in a bid to take leadership of the Sunni and Arab worlds while at the same time MBS buttressing his domestic power by appealing to Sunni sectarian nationalism. The bellicose approach instead of relying on U.S. military intervention and battling Iran through proxies and economic diplomacy, as his predecessor had done made it clear that MBS and his inner circle had quickly adopted a more aggressive foreign policy where the kingdom’s leaders are prepared to confront Iran in their growing regional proxy war, which extends through Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain, and Lebanon.

As the 2015 BND memo put it: “Saudi Arabia wants to prove that it is ready to take unprecedented military, financial, and political risks in order not to fall into a disadvantageous position in the region.”

There is no mention of the role of the Crown Prince of the UAE in the Saud House of Cards at that point.

Of note is that by April 2016 Gerhard Schindler the head of BND was replaced two years before his due date by Bruno Kahl, a senior aide to finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble. There were no reasons given for the sudden decision and speculation was rife.

In a subsequent report in 2016 both BND and BfV identified KSA, Qatar and Kuwait in support of Salafists, living in Germany, by funding mosques, religious schools, hardline preachers and conversion or “dawah” groups to Salafist ideology - the main goal of the active missionary activities of these organizations on German territory is “spreading a fundamentalist version of Islam.” The special services had proof that German Salafists receive financial support from such organizations as the Kuwaiti Society for the Revival of Islamic Heritage, the Qatari Sheikh Eid Charity Foundation, and the Saudi Muslim World League. The report also cited that the religious organizations from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar “have very close ties to the state officials in their countries of origin,” and Saudi Arabia sees its “global missionary activities as its permanent state interest and as a part of its foreign policy.”

A similar reflection on BND's 2015 findings was penned just last month following the most recent events in KSA:

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In makes sense for Riyadh to completely change their foreign policy as this habit of using petrol dollar has achieved nothing for them. But they need someone much wiser to guide them. They also need to change their style of diplomacy including some trivial stuff such as dragging the golden escalator all around the World.
 
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